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Topic: Dumbest f*cking OS...
Kanid
BANNED
posted 01-16-2002 04:02:16 PM
I don't blame Linux for not finding my brand new Linksys NIC. Despite the fact that my Linksys NIC says right on it that it is compatible with Linux, and even comes with a version of Turbo Linux.

The problem is the hardware detection of the OS, the mobo, AND the communication it has with the hardware. Between all three the computer has no clue I have a NIC installed. It isn't just the OS's fault.

So I, being the intelligent person I am, use linear troubleshooting and try to isolate the issue. I stick the Linksys NIC in my Dell desktop, running WinXP (which finds, configures and utilizes it immediately) and stick my 3COM NIC in the Linux box, which also finds and utilizes it properly.

I probably won't use Linksys NICs with Linux in the future, most likely I'll only buy 3COM for any OS, but I won't stop using Linux.

"Unlike adults, children have little need to deceive themselves." - Goethe
Happiness is subjective, subject yourself to it whenever possible.
"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore
Wise men still seek Him.
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-16-2002 05:12:56 PM
I'm sorry for insulting you guys... I'll leave the arguing up to the pros, though...
Toktuk
Pooh Ogre
Keeper of the Shoulders of Peachis Perching
posted 01-16-2002 07:04:22 PM
Look, if you won't or can't take the time to put a little work into getting an OS to work (Which you will ALWAYS have to do if you make a switch), then don't switch your OS. That's really what it comes down to. Don't want to fuck with configuring your NIC to work on Linux? Don't install Linux. Too lazy to check to see if your hardware is compatible with XP and then make sure you have all your drivers ready to go BEFORE installing it? You better not upgrade to XP. I think that's the issue here. Making significant upgrades like this is WORK, it's not fun.

-Tok

Kanid
BANNED
posted 01-16-2002 07:14:49 PM
quote:
Toktuk had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Making significant upgrades like this is WORK, it's not fun.

That's an opinion I don't agree with.

I find that upgrading an OS, spending days searching for the latest drivers, and tracking down and squishing all issues that rear their ugly heads quite entertaining.

But I'm sick that way.

"Unlike adults, children have little need to deceive themselves." - Goethe
Happiness is subjective, subject yourself to it whenever possible.
"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore
Wise men still seek Him.
Drysart
Pancake
posted 01-16-2002 07:20:52 PM
quote:
WaisztarrozBarrimas had this to say about (_|_):
Too late. I unistalled XP. I got tired of new things popping up constantly, and rather than download a shitload of new drivers, I just got rid of XP.

d00d j00 sux0r, n00b

Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 01-16-2002 07:50:27 PM
XP is back on my system.

I'm such a stupid whore.

Yes, that's right, hot live sex!
There's a raptor behind you.
Resident grammar whore.
Warning, flames imminent!
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 01-16-2002 07:51:02 PM
quote:
Drysart had this to say about John Romero:
d00d j00 sux0r, n00b


OMFG For some reason I find this insanely funny coming from Drys

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 01-16-2002 07:51:56 PM
quote:
WaisztarrozBarrimas wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
XP is back on my system.

I'm such a stupid whore.


*pats you on the head*
Good girl. You may go play with your friends now..

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Drysart
Pancake
posted 01-16-2002 07:54:21 PM
quote:
WaisztarrozBarrimas wrote this stupid crap:
XP is back on my system.

I'm such a stupid whore.


Good. I knew flaming you would help.

btw, if you want to stop some of the annoying "OOO OOO MICROSOFT HAS THIS NEW SERVICE AND ITS SOOO COOL SIGN UP NOW NOW NOW NOW NWONWONWONWNOW WEHEHEHEHWEEEEE!!!" stuff, uninstall MSN Messenger. Do a google search and you can find instructions on how to.

Tier the Genius™
Dark Elf Pimp
posted 01-16-2002 07:58:09 PM
quote:
Uninstalling MSN Messenger
Go edit C:\Windows\inf\sysoc.inf in notepad or wordpad. Find the [Components] section.
Find the line that says: msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,hide,7
and change it to: msmsgs=msgrocm.dll,OcEntry,msmsgs.inf,,7
You will have to reboot for this to take effect, but now you will be able to uninstall it from the add/remove programs menu.

And I have to go with Kanid, upgrading OSes is fun, but WinXP doesn't leave much room for things to do though. Mostly GeForce tweaking.

Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 01-16-2002 07:59:00 PM
Nero still can't find the CD writer, but hey, we've got XP so all is good. =P

The only other thing that seems to not work is my virus scanner. Oh, and the special functions on my keyboard.

Yes, that's right, hot live sex!
There's a raptor behind you.
Resident grammar whore.
Warning, flames imminent!
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 01-16-2002 08:30:03 PM
MI LOEV XP?!?!?

Tell me, does it recognize the drive, but not its burning capabilities? Or does it not recognize the drive period?

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 01-16-2002 08:45:20 PM
Hmm EZ-CD creator 5.
And don't give me the line about protected CDs. If they are protected thre is a reason. But to be blunt I have yet to hear of any that EZCD cant' burn.

Virus scanner:
Nortons at least had an update on thier web site. Not sure what you use.


My keyboard worked by default with XP as well. (both the logitech and the MS one)

Also what Brand is your drive. I know one or two needed ROM updates.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 01-16-2002 09:12:38 PM
I updated Windows and reinstalled Nero and now that mess is cleared.

My virus scanner is Trend PC-Cillin 2000.

My keyboard is the multimedia keyboard...uhh...here

Yes, that's right, hot live sex!
There's a raptor behind you.
Resident grammar whore.
Warning, flames imminent!
Stormhaven
Pancake
posted 01-17-2002 01:19:31 AM
There are lots of issues with XP and CD burning software. Most of which are fully documented on Microsoft's Webpage.

As far as driver testing and WindowsXP goes, you need to follow a specific set of guildlines in order to get a "Windows compatible" sticker, and even more hoops to get WHQL certified. It is by no means Microsoft's job to provide drivers for every bit of hardware you have in your machine. That's a job that belongs to the hardware manufacturer. For the same reason that when you call Microsoft with a problem with your Creative Labs soundcard, they'll say, call Creative Labs.

However, that being said, Microsoft will write default drivers for stuff like VGA, basic sound, modems, etc. They will also work with OEMs to include their drivers with the OS. Once again, if those drivers don't work with your hardware, then that hardware vendor didn't follow the default specs for the generic API calls that Microsoft lays out very plainly in MSDN.

By the way, most of your OEMs have support contracts with Microsoft developing software for use on upcoming OS's. However, not every company has the same deadline as Microsoft. When Windows 2000 came out, my Creative Labs sound card was on "beta" drivers for over eight months, with no further development in sight.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-17-2002 05:45:49 AM
quote:
Azizza had this to say about pies:
OMFG For some reason I find this insanely funny coming from Drys

Same here...

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 01-17-2002 05:46:26 AM
quote:
Stormhaven had this to say about pies:
-snip-

Nero works fine. That's all that matters.

Kanid
BANNED
posted 01-17-2002 09:12:36 AM
quote:
WaisztarrozBarrimas wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I updated Windows and reinstalled Nero and now that mess is cleared.

And I was just going to suggest reinstalling Nero.

Upgrading your OS as opposed to a Clean Install, can sometimes make things a little screwy. Reinstalling all your old software usually helps, and ALWAYS reinstall all your hardware drivers.

"Unlike adults, children have little need to deceive themselves." - Goethe
Happiness is subjective, subject yourself to it whenever possible.
"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore
Wise men still seek Him.
Toktuk
Pooh Ogre
Keeper of the Shoulders of Peachis Perching
posted 01-17-2002 04:07:17 PM
quote:
Kanid wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
That's an opinion I don't agree with.

I find that upgrading an OS, spending days searching for the latest drivers, and tracking down and squishing all issues that rear their ugly heads quite entertaining.

But I'm sick that way.


I was trying to give him that feeling that it isn't just "plug in and go" when it comes to upgrading your OS. It almost always takes some tweaking and playing around to get things right. If you're not up to the task, don't do it. Don't whine about it either, just accept the fact that j00 r n0+ l33t.

-Tok

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