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Drysart wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
http://www.assist-ministries.com/

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You know, this explains a LOT, Azizza...

I don't know who the Assist ministires is. I will look when I get home tonight.

So it's not completely verbatim, but it's pretty close.

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Azizza had this to say about (_|_):
I don't know who the Assist ministires is. I will look when I get home tonight.

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Basically, imagine Jack Chick as a reporter.

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Pvednes Phoenixfeather thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:

Basically, imagine Jack Chick as a reporter.

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*shudders*

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Fennar had this to say about Duck Tales:
*shudders*

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/agree
I am so scared.

I got the story from www.newsmax.com
Overall good and acrurate although yes with a conservative twist.

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Azizza had this to say about Pirotess:
As Otaku said you are missing the point.
This isnt' about the teaching of religion.
This is about the teaching on ONE religion to the extreme while ignoring any bad aspects.
I am all for teaching about religions in public schools. Especially the main 7.
But where are the teachins about Bhudism, Christianity, Hindu teachings, etc, etc. I don't see them.

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Azizza, you're right that the classes for all the religions would be best, and far better than the one class for Islam. However, at least to me, any class that will help to spread some understanding is an improvement and a positive, not a negative. Though a single class for only a single religion isn't ideal, it's better than no education towards any of them.

We can pretty much assume that a child will have at least some familiarity with christianity in this society, and probably a fairly positive impression of it. However, Islam is comparitively unknown, and a fair amount of a kid's knoledge about it is probably coming from these trying times, which will not leave the best of impressions. Hopefully, with a bit more knoledge, they'll be ready to look at what's going on with more understanding, and be able to make up their own minds about what's going on in the world.

I'll admit, the use of "jihad dice game" made be blink once or twice (just as "The Happy Crusade card game" would if it existed ) but from what I can get out of the article, it's not really a big part of the course. It's seems like the course much more about understanding the religion.

And as for why only positive aspects of islam are mentioned, well, that's how the education system works in those grades. You never hear about bloodly native american wars in junior high, you see "happy indians in teepees, living off the land!" At least the positive is better than nothing.

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Check out the big brain on Chalesm!
-Lots of really keen stuff-

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I missed you!

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Zephyer had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I missed you!

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I'm finally back at school with my computer: I've missed this board.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote this stupid crap:
"This man was beheaded for rape"

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... Sounds about right to me....

only mildly.

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Drysart had this to say about Cuba:
Yeah. Fucking liberal commie pinko bastards.

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AHEM.

Yay for the agnostics.

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The Otaku Penguin had this to say about Pirotess:
(no wait, coming from the Land of Fruits and Nuts, the state that outlawed smoking in your OWN resteraunt and on the streets...that's saying too much)

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wait, you ENJOY sucking other peoples second hand smoke any time you go to a resturaunt?

and if smoking while walking down the street were illegal here (it should be, but that's another issue...) the state pen would be bursting.

after spending some time in Las Vegas i came to realize how much of a privilage it is to not have to breathe smoke every time i want to sit down and eat.

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Geeorn had this to say about pies:
wait, you ENJOY sucking other peoples second hand smoke any time you go to a resturaunt?

and if smoking while walking down the street were illegal here (it should be, but that's another issue...) the state pen would be bursting.

after spending some time in Las Vegas i came to realize how much of a privilage it is to not have to breathe smoke every time i want to sit down and eat.

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I am anti-smoking. My parents forced me to breathe their second hand smoke for 18 years as they puffed their way to blackened lungs. I can't stand the smell, the sight, the choking feeling.

I feel that the OWNER of the restaraunt should be the ONLY one to make the decision to allow, or disallow smoking in HIS restaraunt. If you don't like the atmosphere of HIS restaraunt, you are not obliged or forced to go there and eat, but the state should NOT have the right to tell him he can't let people smoke in his restaraunt.

Sadly and proof of point, last I heard the revenue for restaraunt owners in California has gone down since the passing of that law. And now Arizona has passed a similar law, but at least it is only for restaraunts and not bars too.

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Kanid had this to say about Cuba:

I feel that the OWNER of the restaraunt should be the ONLY one to make the decision to allow, or disallow smoking in HIS restaraunt. If you don't like the atmosphere of HIS restaraunt, you are not obliged or forced to go there and eat, but the state should NOT have the right to tell him he can't let people smoke in his restaraunt.

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Exactly

And should owner also be allowed to disperse other toxic chemicals into the air, use lead paint, apply a liberal coating of asbestos, and lets rats and bugs run through his kitchen--after all, if people don't like being endangered, they shouldn't go there?

And let's not forget the staff. Coal miners, by your logic, shouldn't bitch about Black Lung Disease, but rather find another job, right? Employers have no obligations with respect to the safety of their employees, right?

Just something to think about.

Anyways, well said Blood.

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Bloodsage had this to say about pies:
Really?

And should owner also be allowed to disperse other toxic chemicals into the air, use lead paint, apply a liberal coating of asbestos, and lets rats and bugs run through his kitchen--after all, if people don't like being endangered, they shouldn't go there?

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Use of lead paint is illegal. The use of cigarettes is not (yet). The staff does not HAVE to work at that establishment. They choose to apply and work there.

Why would I put forth the effort to own, operate and manage a business if I can't make a living at it because the goverment runs all my customers away? Isn't it bad enough I'd get taxed twice on all income?

Let's see how many disincentives we can engineer for the small business owner so the top 6% of the world's population can continue to own 59% of the world's wealth, eh?

I HATE smoking. I find second hand smoke disgusting and vile. Yet people should have the right to smoke and drink if they desire, and run their businesses the way they want to in order to attract the customers they want in their establishment.

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Kanid stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Use of lead paint is illegal. The use of cigarettes is not (yet). The staff does not HAVE to work at that establishment. They choose to apply and work there.

Why would I put forth the effort to own, operate and manage a business if I can't make a living at it because the goverment runs all my customers away? Isn't it bad enough I'd get taxed twice on all income?

Let's see how many disincentives we can engineer for the small business owner so the top 6% of the world's population can continue to own 59% of the world's wealth, eh?

I HATE smoking. I find second hand smoke disgusting and vile. Yet people should have the right to smoke and drink if they desire, and run their businesses the way they want to in order to attract the customers they want in their establishment.

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If I remember properly, you're only taxed twice if you've incorporated.

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Arttemis the Twink had this to say about Punky Brewster:
If I remember properly, you're only taxed twice if you've incorporated.

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The business, being a legal entity (unless it is a "home business", which leaves your personal assets open to litigation) is taxed on its profit. Then any income you take home, like in the case of a salary, is also taxed.

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Kanid had this to say about Duck Tales:
The business, being a legal entity (unless it is a "home business", which leaves your personal assets open to litigation) is taxed on its profit. Then any income you take home, like in the case of a salary, is also taxed.

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Hm. I was always under the impression that a business, unless incorporated, was reguarded as an extention of the owner/owners. After incorporation, a company would be reguarded as a legal entity seperate from its board of directors and officers.

Shows how much I paid attention in school.

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Arttemis the Twink wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Hm. I was always under the impression that a business, unless incorporated, was reguarded as an extention of the owner/owners. After incorporation, a company would be reguarded as a legal entity seperate from its board of directors and officers.

Shows how much I paid attention in school.

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I believe it depends on the state and type of business. In Arizona in the case of a Limited Liability Partnership (the business type I'm currently looking into), you don't have to be incorporated to be a legal entity and protect your personal assets, but your business gets taxed AND you get taxed.

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Kanid had this to say about Cuba:
The business, being a legal entity (unless it is a "home business", which leaves your personal assets open to litigation) is taxed on its profit. Then any income you take home, like in the case of a salary, is also taxed.

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Salaries are operating expenses, and debit against the profit. Your salary--and that of any employees--is taxed only as personal income.

It's frankly not possible to waive certain rights--like that of a safe workplace. I noticed you only addressed lead paint, of all the examples. I assume, then, that it's perfectly all right to have rodents and bugs all over the kitchen, save money by not washing up quite so often, and store chemicals near the food to save the money of having a store room?

After all, if people want clean, safe food, they have every right to go somewhere else, right?

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Kanid had this to say about Captain Planet:
Sadly and proof of point, last I heard the revenue for restaraunt owners in California has gone down since the passing of that law.

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That's right, no smoking in bars in California, and soon no drinking and no talking.

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Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
After all, if people want clean, safe food, they have every right to go somewhere else, right?

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What about the customers' right to enjoy a meal that hasn't been farted upon, urinated in, or otherwise befouled?

Small text is cute. Betcha thought I was putting up a humor disclaimer, eh?!

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Drysart had this to say about Optimus Prime:
That's right, no smoking in bars in California, and soon no drinking and no talking.

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Was that sarcastic or meant as a point? If meant as a point then I...I agree with Drys!

One state(or county maybe), can't remember where, has even tried to ban smoking in your own home. They used some BS polution law. I would like to see them enforce this.

There is just no way I see how the goverment can come onto your property.

Case in point:
We recently built a barn. Now accourding to some obscure law we need all kinds of permits and fees etc.
Frankly I didn't care about them and my parents didn't know.
One day some guy from the county comes out and starts nosing around in our back yard WITHOUT permission to be on the land (read trespassing) Now. not knowing who this guy is he gets confronted at gunpoint.

Of course when he showed his credentials I stopped pointing the gun directly at him.
However he starts going on about how we had to pay all these fees and get approval to build etc. My reply to him is something along the lines of "Blow me". He threatened to call the county sherrif. So I grabbed a cordless phone and procceded to give him the home phone number off the top of my head. Did I mention that me and the county sherriff, along with most of the officers in the area, are shooting buddies? Ooops guess I forgot to point that out.

The guy is quite flustered by this point and leave. The results? We never hear anything again. Barn has been up for about 2 or 3 years now and not a word has been said.
Facts are facts.
My land, my rules. No I am not going to start growing Pot or something there, that is a whole different ball game. But no one is going to tell me how to use my land as long as it is in a legal manner.
The same should go for anyplace else.

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Drysart had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
That's right, no smoking in bars in California, and soon no drinking and no talking.

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That doesnt make any sense to me either heh .

But I agree with the no smoking in a restaurant one.

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Azizza had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I dont' agree with being able to tell you what you can do in your own business or home.

One state(or county maybe), can't remember where, has even tried to ban smoking in your own home. They used some BS polution law. I would like to see them enforce this.

There is just no way I see how the goverment can come onto your property.

Case in point:
We recently built a barn. Now accourding to some obscure law we need all kinds of permits and fees etc.
Frankly I didn't care about them and my parents didn't know.
One day some guy from the county comes out and starts nosing around in our back yard WITHOUT permission to be on the land (read trespassing) Now. not knowing who this guy is he gets confronted at gunpoint.

Of course when he showed his credentials I stopped pointing the gun directly at him.
However he starts going on about how we had to pay all these fees and get approval to build etc. My reply to him is something along the lines of "Blow me". He threatened to call the county sherrif. So I grabbed a cordless phone and procceded to give him the home phone number off the top of my head. Did I mention that me and the county sherriff, along with most of the officers in the area, are shooting buddies? Ooops guess I forgot to point that out.

The guy is quite flustered by this point and leave. The results? We never hear anything again. Barn has been up for about 2 or 3 years now and not a word has been said.
Facts are facts.
My land, my rules. No I am not going to start growing Pot or something there, that is a whole different ball game. But no one is going to tell me how to use my land as long as it is in a legal manner.
The same should go for anyplace else.

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Good job man. The government needs to NOT tell people what they can do on their OWN property

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Azizza had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Same here. I went to a Private Chatholic school and we had classes on ALL of the major religions of the world. WE focused ont he good and the bad, even of Catholosim (crusades anyone?)

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Thats what I wish my private christian school would do... But they just say, " Why should we teach you about other religions? Your here to become a soldier of the Lord, not a devil-worshipper!"

Well, how bout if you get us into christianity, then we get a look at some others, and get converted? Huh? Better to do it now....

The only reason why I woulda chosen to stay in public school.

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Geeorn had this to say about Punky Brewster:
wait, you ENJOY sucking other peoples second hand smoke any time you go to a resturaunt?

and if smoking while walking down the street were illegal here (it should be, but that's another issue...) the state pen would be bursting.

after spending some time in Las Vegas i came to realize how much of a privilage it is to not have to breathe smoke every time i want to sit down and eat.

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I agree wth that too, I was born in CA and go back there every summer... Real glad that smoking was outlawed...

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The Otaku Penguin impressed everyone with:

Good job man. The government needs to NOT tell people what they can do on their OWN property

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Agreed, until it poses health risks to others. This is sort of like comparing apples and oranges. Sort of.

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We were all impressed when Bloodsage wrote:
After all, if people want clean, safe food, they have every right to go somewhere else, right?

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Exactly.

Neener.

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Drysart had this to say about Duck Tales:
That's right, no smoking in bars in California, and soon no drinking and no talking.

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Oh wait! You have to be over 21 to enter a bar, guess it isn't a facility that is open to the public at large, so if I remember this discussion about those laws in California that would mean... you can smoke there. Feel free to waste your money and lungs!

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Jete D'Paintedtoes had this to say about (_|_):
im mildly frightened by this thread.

only mildly.

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She posted!

Rodents carry disease like the black plague and are banned from eating establishements for a good reason.

Just because I don't like smoking, does that make smoking stupid?

Cigarette smokers CHOOSE to inhale their smoke, and the owner of a bar or restaraunt should be able to CHOOSE to allow people to smoke in HIS restaraunt. If you don't like second hand smoke, you have the right to CHOOSE not to go into that restaraunt.

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Kanid had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Bloodsage, I don't even know how to respond to your socialist ideals except to pray that you are never in a position to be able to make laws.

Rodents carry disease like the black plague and are banned from eating establishements for a good reason.

Just because I don't like smoking, does that make smoking stupid?

Cigarette smokers CHOOSE to inhale their smoke, and the owner of a bar or restaraunt should be able to CHOOSE to allow people to smoke in HIS restaraunt. If you don't like second hand smoke, you have the right to CHOOSE not to go into that restaraunt.

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Once again, Exactly

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Check out the big brain on Kanid!
Bloodsage, I don't even know how to respond to your socialist ideals except to pray that you are never in a position to be able to make laws.

Rodents carry disease like the black plague and are banned from eating establishements for a good reason.

Just because I don't like smoking, does that make smoking stupid?

Cigarette smokers CHOOSE to inhale their smoke, and the owner of a bar or restaraunt should be able to CHOOSE to allow people to smoke in HIS restaraunt. If you don't like second hand smoke, you have the right to CHOOSE not to go into that restaraunt.

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Once again, Kanid, you prove your willingness to speak on subjects where you lack the first clue. If your only recourse in a discussion is to call others names or attempt to apply labels you obviously don't understand, it would generally be better to stay quiet rather than prove yourself incompetent to participate.

And, just for the record, here is yet one more example in a long string that proves your only answer to arguments you haven't the wit to address is to call people names.

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"Mommy, mommy, Bloodsage said something I can't understand again, and I don't know how to answer!"

"It's all right, dear. Just call him names and you'll feel better."

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Next time you don't know how to respond, why don't you try a) asking an intelligent question, or b) shutting the fuck up?

Is it honestly your contention that smoking poses no health risks, either to the smoker or others? Can you really be that stupid?

As a matter of fact, smoking should be banned in restaurants for exactly the reasons you listed, and I illustrated: it's a health hazard to everyone who enters the establishment.

Your overall argument is exactly equivalent to repealing worker safety laws for miners--or anyone else, for that matter--on the grounds that anyone who doesn't want their job to kill them should do something else for a living. It's exactly the same as allowing restaurant owners to pump hazardous chemicals through their ventilation systems, or perhaps spray them from nozzles in the ceilings, on the grounds that anyone who wants to eat without endangering their health should eat elsewhere.

Smoking is only legal at all these days because willful ignorance such as yours, combined with a multi-billion dollar lobby in Congress, keeps it that way.

Smoking is stupid, by any standard one chooses to apply. Ordinarily, there's no reason to outlaw stupidity. In this case, however, the activity is also hazardous to those around the stupid person. Not to mention costing taxpayers such as myself untold mega-$$ to pay healthcare expenses for the stupid people who are poor.

That is unacceptable.

In conclusion, if you're unable to have an intelligent conversation, why don't you simply keep quiet in the future? You haven't the faintest fucking idea what my politics are, if any, and your ham-handed attempt to label them in the manner most convenient to justify your ignorance is offensive.

Labeling me, of all people, as a socialist, proves beyond doubt that you not only don't understand anything I've said--ever--but that you don't even understand the labels you so freely apply to others as a substitute for thinking.

In short, Kanid, you're an idiot.

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