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Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 10-09-2009 12:30:08 PM
Amazon just informed me that it is available outside of the US now.

I had my eyes on it since it was released, but I'd like to have some opinions on it before I waste 300 currency units.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Damnati
Filthy
posted 10-09-2009 12:48:50 PM
I, too, am interested in this piece of technology. My wife wants the Kindle DX and I'm inclined to agree but I've been hearing some negative things about the build quality as well as availability of public domain books on it. How does it compare to Sony's reader? I know Sony's can't read Kindle format but, in exchange, it can read any of the millions of public domain books as well as check things out from some kind of public e-library.
Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-09-2009 03:33:35 PM
I have a Kindle. It's well worth the cost if you plan on traveling a lot or if you just don't want to have a lot of books in your house.

Pros:
-Extremely long battery life
-Several classic books like Sherlock Holmes and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea you can download for free
-Works on the 3G network, which is the same network Verizon works off of, so it's easier to get a signal
-Very simple to use
-Can hold a shitton of books, so it's quite useful for people who are on the go

Cons:
-No backlit screen (though this is why the battery life is so long)
-No color

The Kindle 2 is supposed to be vastly superior to the Kindle DX, but I can't comment on comparison.

Vernaltemptress
Withered and Alone
posted 10-09-2009 05:42:21 PM
Ditto, Parcelan.

Additional Pros
- Instant dictionary lookup (though I wish I could load up the OED, Le Petit Robert, and Langenscheit)
- Easy to highlight passages to upload to computer for later use in research papers *

Additional Cons
- Books in languages other than English not yet available -- hoping that changes with new announcement.
- Textbooks not on Kindle
- * Citation of passages for electronic books not yet supported by the APA
- Pictures/graphics are hard to see/read on Kindle first generation (don't know if it's any better on later generations)

Re the backlight -- Not a big deal if you are used to reading books since paper based books don't come with backlighting. Would be helpful to have backlighting available for times when you want to read when ambient lighting is not available or practical.

Obamanomics: spend, tax, and borrow.
nem-x
posted 10-09-2009 06:29:47 PM
There seems to be a new kindle coming out every two months too
Norim Stumpfighter
Milkmaid
posted 10-09-2009 07:15:11 PM
a friend of mine is in Iraq and he said he wouldn't go anywhere without his. I think he has the Kindle 2. He's pretty happy with it, and apparently it's pretty "sand resistant". Or so I'm told...
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-10-2009 06:13:50 AM
I have the Kindle 2, and it's well worth it. For me the only real downside is lack of color. Complaining about a backlight misses the point, as it's supposed to be like reading print, which one traditionally doesn't do in the dark anyway.

As for book availability...that's the strongest point. If you just want public domain books, you can download and read those on any device. Kindle, though, has Amazon behind it, and by far the largest book availability of any electronic reader.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-10-2009 06:20:54 AM
The only possible major downside is that you can (very, VERY rarely) get screwed on legal matters.

People downloaded 1984 awhile ago on their Kindles, only to find whoever controls Orwell's estate didn't want that, so everyone who did download it got it taken off their Kindle.

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 10-10-2009 07:47:49 AM
quote:
Vernaltemptress's momma would never want to hear them say:
Ditto, Parcelan.

Additional Pros
- Instant dictionary lookup (though I wish I could load up the OED, Le Petit Robert, and Langenscheit)
- Easy to highlight passages to upload to computer for later use in research papers *

Additional Cons
- Books in languages other than English not yet available -- hoping that changes with new announcement.
- Textbooks not on Kindle
- * Citation of passages for electronic books not yet supported by the APA
- Pictures/graphics are hard to see/read on Kindle first generation (don't know if it's any better on later generations)

Re the backlight -- Not a big deal if you are used to reading books since paper based books don't come with backlighting. Would be helpful to have backlighting available for times when you want to read when ambient lighting is not available or practical.


I still don't know why actual page citation is necessary in a world where you can do a full text search of a book in three seconds. You need maybe 5 words in the order they appear in the text in your quote and it will be discoverable.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 10-10-2009 04:40:32 PM
Thanks a lot.

I'll wait for some German reviews telling me how and if it works properly with the German cellphone network, but I think I know what I will get myself for christmas.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-11-2009 03:29:36 AM
I'm bummed I'll need to buy a different version if I want the worldwide wireless.
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 10-11-2009 03:33:33 AM
This Virtual Paper thing; is it really so much different/better from/than text on a normal compputer screen?
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Vernaltemptress
Withered and Alone
posted 10-11-2009 06:02:49 AM
quote:
Blindy. had this to say about Captain Planet:
I still don't know why actual page citation is necessary in a world where you can do a full text search of a book in three seconds. You need maybe 5 words in the order they appear in the text in your quote and it will be discoverable.

The APA is still in the dark ages...

Obamanomics: spend, tax, and borrow.
Damnati
Filthy
posted 10-11-2009 03:03:50 PM
quote:
Tarquinn wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
This Virtual Paper thing; is it really so much different/better from/than text on a normal compputer screen?

As I understand it, lack of backlighting helps with the eyestrain issue one encounters with normal computer monitors. I suppose the similarity to a normal book would make the transition to ebooks a bit less jarring.

Damnati fucked around with this message on 10-11-2009 at 03:04 PM.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 10-12-2009 02:06:52 PM
quote:
Did someone say Vernaltemptress:
The APA is still in the dark ages...

The entire publishing industry is still in the dark ages.

On a plane ride, the more it shakes,
The more I have to let go.
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 10-12-2009 08:07:55 PM
quote:
Blindy painfully thought these words up:
The entire publishing industry is still in the dark ages.

90% of media producing companies are still in the dark ages.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-12-2009 10:11:07 PM
The Knights Templar are still in the Dark Ages.
Timpofee
Mancake
posted 10-13-2009 10:13:25 AM
Just to add another side to this...
I LOVE my Sony E-reader.
So this may be something you would like to look up also.
Steven Steve
posted 10-13-2009 12:29:15 PM
I also have a Kindle, and surely there are some better electronic book readers. I've head the Sony E-Reader is superior also. There is some annoyance with the original Kindle being unable to read .pdf files (fuck you Amazon) and general file management. Very few books worth anything to me (i.e. text books) are available on it, but at least you'll be able to read "classics" and pop psychology/pseudojournalism all you want. Things like Blackberries have all the capabilities of Kindles and better reception, plus act as phones and planners at the same time, at approximately the same price. So...
"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-13-2009 01:03:15 PM
I think some folks are missing the point. It boils down to what one wants to read.

1. If one is content to read "the classics" and nothing but, and portability isn't an issue, then stick with the PC

2. If one wants cool hardware and is content to read a limited selection of contemporary works, then go with Sony

3. If one is content to read only the classics and thinks a 3" screen is the bee's knees, then go with a PDA

4. If one wants the largest selection of the most current books in a portable/electronic format, then Kindle is currently the clear choice

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Steven Steve
posted 10-13-2009 01:20:17 PM
You can read anything in the world on the Kindle in full color and you get reception in the desert and it takes up no space, is easy to read, and functions as a multitool, and it never runs out of batteries. The UI is controlled telepathically. The choice is clear.
"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-13-2009 05:03:35 PM
quote:
Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Steven Steve absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
You can read anything in the world on the Kindle in full color and you get reception in the desert and it takes up no space, is easy to read, and functions as a multitool, and it never runs out of batteries. The UI is controlled telepathically. The choice is clear.

Wut?

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 10-13-2009 05:46:05 PM
Bloodsage wears tight leather pants and has a uniform. Rope and ballgags are quite cheap. He's home alone on a Tuesday evening. The choice is clear.
Steven Steve
posted 10-14-2009 10:45:08 AM
Can the Kindle read all pdfs rather than DRM-protected, abridged black and white versions of light reading books yet?
"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Steven Steve
posted 10-14-2009 10:50:39 AM
Besides the wireless aspect, the Kindle (and most ebook readers for that matter) are like devices straight out of the 80s.

The Kindle itself is like an iPod where you can only get your music off of iTunes (in Apple's shitty proprietary format of course), and the songs are missing several instruments. Currently my Kindle is sitting on the bookshelf behind me. It would be a paperweight but it is currently not fulfilling that function, since it has long since functioned the way it was intended. Despite resetting/charging batteries, etc., it simply refuses to turn on now. I would call support but I did not pay any money for it and it was basically useless to me anyway, so in conclusion fuck you Amazon.

"Absolutely NOTHING [will stop me from buying Diablo III]. I will buy it regardless of what they do."
- Grawbad, Battle.net forums

"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-14-2009 02:16:40 PM
So essentially you bought a diesel car, and you're pissed off it won't run on gasoline.

That was my entire point: you need to know what you want to do with it and what's available for it before you buy, rather than whining it doesn't do things it wasn't designed to do.

It's certainly not perfect, but it comes much closer than anything else right now to being an electronic book, and has a much better selection of current content than any other device, at better prices.

If that's not what you're looking for in a device, then look elsewhere. Personally, I don't want to constrain my reading to what's available for my device.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

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