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Topic: Conservatives are scared.
Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 04-15-2009 05:52:22 PM
The owner of my company just spent 20 minutes in our monthly meeting going down a list of republican talking points and telling us how Obama is destroying the economy by increasing taxes on rich people.

He covered

  • Carbon Cap and Trade
  • The "Death Tax"
  • "Tax the Rich" programs
  • The Employee Free Choice Act or whatever the fuck that stupid legislation is called
  • The debate over LIFO versus FIFO costing.
  • AND MORE!

    I was a little amused but unnerved at the same time.

  • Zair
    The Imp
    posted 04-15-2009 07:15:50 PM
    He is a Glen Beck fan
    Mr. Parcelan
    posted 04-15-2009 07:35:46 PM
    I'm more amused because, with all of Obama's talk of change, businesses are still exploiting the taxpayers, except this time it's with the government's blessing.
    Maradon!
    posted 04-15-2009 07:53:17 PM
    Do you have anything to say about any of these topics?
    Karnaj
    Road Warrior Queef
    posted 04-15-2009 08:33:18 PM
    I think, more aptly put, it would be that rich people are scared. And who could blame them? I'm not going to feel sorry for them, but I certainly don't blame them for not wanting their taxes to go up.
    That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



    Beer.

    Maradon!
    posted 04-15-2009 08:35:45 PM
    But fuck them, right? I'll get a job working for a poor man instead.
    Karnaj
    Road Warrior Queef
    posted 04-15-2009 08:43:10 PM
    quote:
    Maradon! got served! Maradon! got served!
    But fuck them, right? I'll get a job working for a poor man instead.

    Well, maybe just pretty rich instead of insanely rich. But I'm sure the rich guy will feel pretty poor. Oh well.

    That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



    Beer.

    Mr. Parcelan
    posted 04-15-2009 09:29:46 PM
    I'll hire both of you.
    Blindy.
    Suicide (Also: Gay.)
    posted 04-15-2009 09:38:21 PM
    Sure...

  • Carbon Cap and Trade

    Could be a big problem if the rest of the world doesn't follow suit.

  • The "Death Tax"

    Should be made to exempt property and companies, but come on, I'm not crying over some heiress getting 60% of their daddy's billions upon billions of dollars instead of the whole thing.

  • "Tax the Rich" programs

    The top 5% of this country pay a disproportionally smaller potion of taxes in relation to the wealth they control compared to the bottom 90%. With the top 1% to bottom 99%, it is an even starker difference.

    I'm in favor of simplifying the tax code and decreasing rates in general, but if you look at the wealth controlled to taxes paid ratios, it is obviously apparent that the very-rich could afford a small income tax hike on the order of 4-5% on all earnings past $500,000 a year and a 3-4% hike on earnings past $250,000 a year (non cumulative) without any measurable impact on their lifestyles.

  • The Employee Free Choice Act or whatever the fuck that stupid legislation is called

    Unions aren't needed anymore, but I think it's stupid to think that when over 50% of your workers decide that it is in their best interest to sign a union card the outcome of a secret ballot would be any different. Obviously, situations like this need to be screened for improper union coercion, but that goes for any union establishment already.

  • The debate over LIFO versus FIFO costing.

    Meh. The tax code shouldn't have loopholes, it makes things easier on everyone.

  • Maradon!
    posted 04-15-2009 10:21:00 PM
    quote:
    Could be a big problem if the rest of the world doesn't follow suit.

    The largest tax in the history of mankind, a tax that affects the poor the most, doesn't concern you?

    quote:
    Should be made to exempt property and companies, but come on, I'm not crying over some heiress getting 60% of their daddy's billions upon billions of dollars instead of the whole thing.

    So you care more about sympathy than principle?

    quote:
    The top 5% of this country pay a disproportionally smaller potion of taxes in relation to the wealth they control compared to the bottom 90%. With the top 1% to bottom 99%, it is an even starker difference.

    In order to view this as unjust, you must first assume that they aren't entitled to that wealth and did nothing to produce it.

    Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-15-2009 at 10:23 PM.

    Nina
    posted 04-15-2009 10:30:43 PM
    quote:
    Maradon! wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
    In order to view this as unjust, you must first assume that they aren't entitled to that wealth and did nothing to produce it.

    Blindy.
    Suicide (Also: Gay.)
    posted 04-15-2009 11:02:53 PM
    quote:
    Maradon! says ta-ma-to, I say to-ma-to:
    In order to view this as unjust, you must first assume that they aren't entitled to that wealth and did nothing to produce it.

    Yeah not seeing it. If you control 40% of the wealth you should cover 40% of the cost of the government that made that wealth possible. Anything less or more is not just.

    And as far as carbon tax, "the largest tax in the history of mankind" is currently estimated at 34 cents per ton of CO2 gas emitted.

    Blindy. fucked around with this message on 04-15-2009 at 11:04 PM.

    Lyinar Ka`Bael
    Are you looking at my pine tree again?
    posted 04-24-2009 02:08:05 PM
    quote:
    Maradon! thought about the meaning of life:
    In order to view this as unjust, you must first assume that they aren't entitled to that wealth and did nothing to produce it.

    But you also have to recognize that their country provided them with opportunities to acquire that wealth, and as such they could be considered to have a responsibility to reinvest in said country to a higher degree than others who did not take advantage of those opportunities.


    Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

    Vernaltemptress
    Withered and Alone
    posted 04-24-2009 02:42:28 PM
    If only wealthy people pay taxes, should they have exclusive use of the roads, schools, and National Parks that are funded by those taxes? Should only those who pay taxes dictate how government functions?

    For some things, everyone should pay taxes, like roads and schools. Smart businesses have an interest in the future employees that come out of public schools so maybe they should have an increase responsibility by way of slightly increased taxes.

    If everyone paid taxes, maybe everyone would wake up and pay more attention to where those taxes go and less of our public funds would be put towards frivolous uses.

    Obamanomics: spend, tax, and borrow.
    Lyinar Ka`Bael
    Are you looking at my pine tree again?
    posted 04-24-2009 02:46:42 PM
    quote:
    Vernaltemptress had this to say about dark elf butts:
    If only wealthy people pay taxes, should they have exclusive use of the roads, schools, and National Parks that are funded by those taxes? Should only those who pay taxes dictate how government functions?

    For some things, everyone should pay taxes, like roads and schools. Smart businesses have an interest in the future employees that come out of public schools so maybe they should have an increase responsibility by way of slightly increased taxes.

    If everyone paid taxes, maybe everyone would wake up and pay more attention to where those taxes go and less of our public funds would be put towards frivolous uses.


    That last part is definitely the rub. I believe that those who take advantage of opportunities should put more in, but it has to be tempered with responsible usage of the revenue the government receives from its taxpayers. There's no point to having a higher contribution if it's just going to be wasted away.


    Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

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