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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87
Sounds about right, though I don't come close to anyone famous.
And using the handy-dandy search function, I see that I've apparently become more liberal than I was five years ago (last time I took the test). Must be because I take the train to work.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
About the same on the economy scale, much more socially liberal! A lot of that probably comes from being an atheist.
....Is there something wrong with me? My numbers look weird compared to everyone else's.
This time:
Economic Left/Right: 4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.56
difference..... mostly because of my career path I think.
You can't divorce social and economic beliefs. The same basic beliefs that validate social authoritarianism also validate economic totalitarianism and invalidate economic libertarianism, and vice-versa.
Two whole quadrants of this chart are flagrantly self-contradictory positions to hold.
These questions are pretty terrible, too
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There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.
This question holds two entirely separate ideas: That there is a fusion of information and entertainment, and that it is worrying. Which one am I agreeing or disagreeing with?
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Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment.
Since when do you have to choose between the two? To some extent one even causes the other.
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A genuine free market requires restrictions on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies.
What exactly is considered a monopoly by this question? If this question were stripped of implication I would agree with it, but the people who say this sort of thing, phrased the way it is, generally consider any large business to be a monopoly to be destroyed. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 09-11-2008 at 06:46 PM.
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Maradon! isn't in Kansas anymore:
I never really noticed it before, but the metrics on this test are pretty meaningless.You can't divorce social and economic beliefs. The same basic beliefs that validate social authoritarianism also validate economic totalitarianism and invalidate economic libertarianism, and vice-versa.
Two whole quadrants of this chart are flagrantly self-contradictory positions to hold.
These questions are pretty terrible, too
What exactly is considered a monopoly by this question? If this question were stripped of implication I would agree with it, but the people who say this sort of thing, phrased the way it is, generally consider any large business to be a monopoly to be destroyed.
Just go with the flow man, jeez.
There are only two ways to answer that question. Any midground or half-measure is self-contradictory.
Most people seem to be self-contradictory.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Karnaj who doth quote:
I think the test told Maradon he was a liberal and now he's running around his apartment like Ace Venture when he found out he made out with a dude.
haha, no, my little dot was about two lines shy of the most extreme lower right.
Ironically, this does make me a liberal, in the sense that the word was used prior to the FDR presidency.
I'm just saying it's stupid because it's stupid. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 09-11-2008 at 09:38 PM.
They left the right two quadrants unnamed, but if they are the opposites of the left two, I guess they would be "voluntary individualism" and "state-imposed individualism"
Voluntary collectivism? State-imposed individualism?
They basically went made my argument that two of the four quadrants are self-contradictory, only they didn't realize it.
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Maradon! had this to say about Robocop:
Voluntary collectivism?
Wouldn't voluntary collectivism be living on a commune or something else similarly hippy-like?
About where I thought I would be.
Oh, and personally: Nina fucked around with this message on 09-11-2008 at 11:48 PM.
Economic Left/Right: 3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.25
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x--NinaO-('-'Q) :
I wouldn't say they're mutually exclusive, Maradon. You can and do have a lot of Jesusfreaks who want the state to ban everything that contradicts religion and biblical morals, but don't want it to intervene in any economics or corporations.
Ah, but these viewpoints are not mutually exclusive, they're contradictory. It's entirely possible to hold both sets of beliefs, it's just inconsistent, as the two stances are in direct opposition to one another.
This is made possible by the fact that most people do not understand the reasons why they hold the positions they do, and so two political positions founded in contradictory core beliefs do not appear to contradict one another, because the person who holds them does not understand what those core beliefs are.
This is also, I believe, why most people react violently when their political positions are challenged.
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Tegadiling:
Wouldn't voluntary collectivism be living on a commune or something else similarly hippy-like?
Voluntary collectivism is what such people are trying for, but all they end up attaining is the delusion of voluntary collectivism. Small, voluntary communes are made possible by the fact that they are floating in a sea of individualism. They import the products of that individualism and it sustains them. Countless historical case studies, from the Mayflower Compact to Zimbabwe, have proven that even small voluntary communes, when isolated, either do not remain voluntary or do not remain communes for very long.
The entire principle of collectivism is incompatible with the human race on a fundamental level. We can know no minds outside our own, and so we will forever be individuals. Individuals define themselves by the products of their individualism, and will invariably reject any system that seeks to deprive them of the rights to those products. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 09-12-2008 at 12:35 AM.
Economic Left/Right: 7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.10
What a difference a bit of education and maturity makes, eh?
-Your political compass
--Economic Left/Right: 0.50
--Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
I'm so middle of the road; I must be boring.
On a side note, I had the sense that the test was produced by British people and skewed towards putting nearly all of the American presidents and presidential candidates in the upper right quadrant. Sure enough, it is.
Past:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.44
Present: Captain Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 09-12-2008 at 10:18 AM.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46
Anyway, my current scores is:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49
My previous scores were:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.18
I attribute the difference here to the changes in the test questions.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Aw, geez, I have Maradon! all over myself!
haha, no, my little dot was about two lines shy of the most extreme lower right.Ironically, this does make me a liberal, in the sense that the word was used prior to the FDR presidency.
I'm just saying it's stupid because it's stupid.
You keep saying stuff, but all I see in my head is this. And I laugh.
"Wait a minute, I believe in free markets and individual social freedom! Those are defined as liberal attributes on this chart. That means...I'm a...LIBERAL!" *Maradon runs off and bathes compulsively, while "The Crying Game" plays in background*
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Karnaj who doth quote:
"Wait a minute, I believe in free markets and individual social freedom! Those are defined as liberal attributes on this chart.[/i]
They are? As far as I can tell they've correctly put free markets on the right and social freedom on the bottom, while all the post-FDR-liberal attributes are on the left and top.
I've never hidden the fact that I am a liberal as the word was used prior to the FDR presidency - a paleoliberal in that sense. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 09-12-2008 at 04:18 PM.
I guess I've become more authoritarian, although I suspect it's because of how I read the questions rather than any fundamental change in my views.
