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Topic: Tell me about headphones.
Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-10-2007 12:36:04 AM
So, some time back, I bought a pair of Sennheiser HD650s and I've been quite satisfied with them. However, they're open aire and that's not so good when I want to shut out everything else and just hear my music. Given this, I'm looking for an excellent set of circumaural headphones on a budget of around $500 for the headphones themselves (upgraded cables and an amp might be forthcoming too but that's later). I know some of y'all know stuff about headphones so can one of you tell about good brands and models? Recommendations for amps would be nice too.
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It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Blackened
posted 12-10-2007 01:19:11 AM
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what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-10-2007 03:06:57 AM
You put them in your ears.

Not your butt.

Your ears.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-10-2007 03:35:29 AM
After reading that thread and looking over one of the recommended sites, I think I'll be picking up these headphones and this amp.
Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 12-10-2007 03:39:22 AM
quote:
Damnati posted

After reading that thread and looking over one of the recommended sites, I think I'll be picking up these headphones and this amp.


Let us know how you like them. My SR-80's are falling apart after a few years of abuse and I'm sorta looking for some closed headphones to replace them in the next year or so.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 12-10-2007 03:41:03 AM
Don't tell Alidane shit.
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 12-10-2007 05:06:15 AM
Even when my own SR-80's fall apart (they're starting to) I'll still stick with Grado headphones.

Best sound quality I have ever heard, on par with my 5.1 speaker set which cost a pretty penny itself.

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 12-10-2007 05:39:32 AM
quote:
Mortious posted

Even when my own SR-80's fall apart (they're starting to) I'll still stick with Grado headphones.

Best sound quality I have ever heard, on par with my 5.1 speaker set which cost a pretty penny itself.


My main beef with the Grado's is that open headphones are nigh-useless in any sort of noisy environment. And I don't like the straight cables--I much prefer the one-sided coiled cable on like the Sennheiser HD-280.

Might be worth getting some tight earbuds and replacing the grado's with something similar (80's or 125's) and recabling them. I dunno.

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 12-10-2007 05:46:45 AM
Plus when you're watching porn anyone who opens your door pretty much knows you're whacking off.

Open air headphones ftl.

But sound quality ftw.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 12-10-2007 10:12:13 AM
I'm very happy with my cheap-ass Sennheiser headphones.
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-10-2007 03:01:57 PM
quote:
Alidane thought about the meaning of life:
Let us know how you like them. My SR-80's are falling apart after a few years of abuse and I'm sorta looking for some closed headphones to replace them in the next year or so.

I not confident I can really offer any kind of informed opinion on such things. I've been extremely satisfied with the HD650's as they opened up an entirely new world of sound I hadn't heard in my music before but I can't really attest to actual quality (beyond that I begin to be unsatisfied with most mp3s due to their general lack thereof).

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Mr. Gainsborough
posted 12-10-2007 03:07:42 PM
I've never found headphones that I could wear for extended amounts of time.
Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-18-2007 12:33:58 PM
So, the new cans showed up yesterday and I've had a bit of time to compare them to my HD650s. The most dominant impression upon putting them on was that they sound muted somehow; it requires the volume on my computer up significantly to get the same sound out of them as the Sennheiser set. Once I do that, however, the bass response is quite noticeably better. As I don't have an amp yet, this may be a result of underpowering the HD650s. Aside from these, very little comparison can be drawn. The DT770's are sealed and shut out just about all background noise (including my own voice if I'm on Ventrilo) so I can hear quite a bit more detail with them. I imagine open air gets better quality in quiet environments but I don't have such available all that often so I'll stick with sealed.
Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Tier
posted 12-18-2007 12:45:00 PM
it's all in your mind
Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-18-2007 12:56:02 PM
quote:
Asha'man had this to say about John Romero:
it's all in your mind

I believe that you being a woman is all in your mind but you don't see me shitting up your threads with complaints about it. Get the hell out.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Gadani
U
posted 12-18-2007 01:37:26 PM
quote:
Damnati painfully thought these words up:
I believe that you being a woman is all in your mind but you don't see me shitting up your threads with complaints about it. Get the hell out.

Excuse me sir that attack was unwarranted and uncalled for.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-18-2007 01:44:08 PM
quote:
Gadani's fortune cookie read:
Excuse me sir that attack was unwarranted and uncalled for.

This is Evercrest; unwarranted and uncalled for attacks are status quo. Serious business, yo!

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 12-18-2007 04:10:57 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Alidane stammered:
My main beef with the Grado's is that open headphones are nigh-useless in any sort of noisy environment. And I don't like the straight cables--I much prefer the one-sided coiled cable on like the Sennheiser HD-280.

Might be worth getting some tight earbuds and replacing the grado's with something similar (80's or 125's) and recabling them. I dunno.


I use the Sennheiser HD-280's. They're great

Maradon!
posted 12-18-2007 04:44:11 PM
What exactly is it that goes into a pair of headphones that makes them cost more than the computer you're plugging them into?

I have a $20 pair of sony headphones. They sound perfect.

Mr. Gainsborough
posted 12-18-2007 04:48:36 PM
quote:
Maradon! Model 2000 was programmed to say:
What exactly is it that goes into a pair of headphones that makes them cost more than the computer you're plugging them into?

I have a $20 pair of sony headphones. They sound perfect.


People that aren't audiophiles literally can't hear the difference because their ears aren't tuned to the fine shit that goes on with music. That's why so many music buffs are into the weirder technical music genres. Lot more shit going on.

I guess it's kinda like wine where to most people it just tastes like crap where to winos, it tastes like different types of crap.

Truth be told, when I put on Waisz' pair of ~$300 headphones I was pretty blown away by the detail I could hear when I was playing whatever rhythm game we had on at the time. It really helped my playing because I could actually pick out backbeats that you usually wouldn't be able to hear, or clear enough to care about anyways.

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 12-18-2007 04:51:32 PM
Yeah, it's pretty much the same argument as beer:

"Why should I buy a Westmalle at $5 per beer when I can get just as fucked up on Steel Reserve for $1.75?"

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 12-18-2007 05:01:52 PM
quote:
Maradon! posted

What exactly is it that goes into a pair of headphones that makes them cost more than the computer you're plugging them into?

I have a $20 pair of sony headphones. They sound perfect.


Have you ever listened to a pair of headphones that cost more than $20?

I'd say that most people can tell the difference between cheap-ass headphones and decent $100-$150 ones; there's just an exponential price curve past that where most people stop being able to tell the difference.

Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 12-18-2007 05:52:59 PM
It's the same kinda thing with speakers. For I while I was using my $30 2.1 set and they got the job done alright then moved back into my "office" and am using my $250 2.1 speakers again. The difference is loltastic huge even on vent.
Noxhil2
Pancake
posted 12-18-2007 06:28:02 PM
quote:
So quoth Damnati:
So, the new cans showed up yesterday and I've had a bit of time to compare them to my HD650s. The most dominant impression upon putting them on was that they sound muted somehow; it requires the volume on my computer up significantly to get the same sound out of them as the Sennheiser set. Once I do that, however, the bass response is quite noticeably better. As I don't have an amp yet, this may be a result of underpowering the HD650s.

You have ($500) HD650s and no amp?

Maradon!
posted 12-18-2007 06:54:10 PM
quote:
Alidaneing:
Have you ever listened to a pair of headphones that cost more than $20?

I'd say that most people can tell the difference between cheap-ass headphones and decent $100-$150 ones; there's just an exponential price curve past that where most people stop being able to tell the difference.


Yes, and no, I couldn't tell a difference. I have listened to much worse headphones, with pops or hisses or balance problems, and also weak ass headphones where you can't hear backbeats or the links on the dude's watch jingling in a movie, but not anything better really.

It just seems like so much snake oil to me because I'm apparently one of the handicapped who are unable to discern these vagaries of sound that are apparently worth $380 or more to some people. I feel like one of those enormous faggots who thinks it's cute to say the same shit about HDTV's, but unlike with them where I just point out the actual increased lines of resolution or show them the same image on both screens so they realize what assholes they are, nobody seems to be able to point to a tangible benefit and prove me wrong.

It feels weird because it's like I'm trying to imagine an audio quality superior to what I hear in real life. When I listen to some Crash Test Dummies, I sincerely doubt I would be able to tell a difference between my headphones and Brad Roberts standing behind me singing in his sexy, rich bass.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 12-18-2007 at 06:57 PM.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 12-18-2007 07:02:36 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Noxhil2 was all like:
You have ($500) HD650s and no amp?

I paid $315 but yeah, I knew nothing about such things until this thread. Presently, I'm waiting on the amp to ship...and I ordered it a week ago.

@Maradon: It'd be kind of hard to offer proof without putting some particularly good headphones on your head to compare with your cheap ones. I mean, I can hear significant difference between Sennheiser HD650's and beyerdynamic DT770's but I doubt I'd have noticed as much if I hadn't been listening to one shortly before putting on the other.

Damnati fucked around with this message on 12-18-2007 at 07:07 PM.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Gadani
U
posted 12-18-2007 07:58:27 PM
I can't tell a difference over 45 FPS

or over about 160kbps audio quality

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 12-18-2007 09:18:03 PM
Maradon's fucking deaf. I seem to remember coming to this conclusion a few months ago. Probably arguing about bitrates.
Maradon!
posted 12-18-2007 10:02:25 PM
quote:
Alidaneing:
Maradon's fucking deaf. I seem to remember coming to this conclusion a few months ago. Probably arguing about bitrates.

It was probably involving sound cards a few years ago. I still don't hear a difference between an Audigy 4 and onboard, but I still like the audigy because of environmental effects

btw I listened to the beeps at the doctor maybe six months ago and I got normal hearing

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