EDUCATE ME PLEASE!
On the what any change in the minimum wage would do to the country's economy.
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Did someone say The Berserker:
I am curious as to why everybody thinks raising the minimum wage would be a good idea.EDUCATE ME PLEASE!
On the what any change in the minimum wage would do to the country's economy.
It would decrease the value of the dollar and make hiring illegals even more attractive.
So nothing good.
But at the same time, people who make minimum wage should be able to afford to, you know, eat, so maybe it's just something that needs to happen every now and then. It has been a long time.
What I am very fearful of is legislation that constantly adjusts the minimum wage for inflation. Considering that minimum wage causes inflation, that pretty much means you're saying we're going to have at least this much inflation from now on. Ohio just passed such a law. I wept.
Truth be told, there is a ton of data on the subject, and all of it conflicts. Generally speaking, the notion is that if you raise the minimum wage, employers turn around and raise prices, so nobody wins. There is a lot of data to support this notion. There is also a lot of data to refute this notion, or at least to show that such things aren't as clear-cut as that.
So just stick with my first statement: the communists win if you raise the minimum wage.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
The idea that there's some basic right that one person earning minimum wage should have enough to feed, clothe, and house a family of four. . .is stupid. Minimum wage is not, never has been, and shouldn't ever be targeted at being sufficient for a single breadwinner to raise a family.
"Onos! Minimum wage isn't a living wage!" is one of the biggest red herrings evar.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Arrenn Lightblade's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
but something really needed to be done.
Like getting a better paying job? Not even most fast food places pay minimum wage anymore. If you're making minimum wage it's nobody's fault but your own.
The second problem is that the cost of living is not the same everywhere, and does not increase at the same rate everywhere. Thus any blanket change in the minimum wage over a large area will overcompensate in some areas, while falling short of the mark in others. Where I live, the cost of living is high, so anyone trying to live on minimum wage is pretty much screwed. Further from the city, the cost of living is lower. Zooming out, the same house that would cost upwards of $500k here would only cost $60k-80k in some midwestern states.
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Snoota had this to say about Tron:
Like getting a better paying job? Not even most fast food places pay minimum wage anymore. If you're making minimum wage it's nobody's fault but your own.
Note the use "I would" rather than "I am." Arrenn Lightblade fucked around with this message on 11-28-2006 at 04:53 PM.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Arrenn Lightblade absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Have you ever worked for minimum wage? At $5.15 I would hardly be able to pay my own bills (gas, insurance, cell phone) and I am living with my parents. I am all for keeping the dollar strong, but something really needed to be done.
Do you read?
Minimum wage wasn't ever, isn't now, and shouldn't be in the future sufficient to live on by itself. It's designed specifically for migrant workers (where multiple family members work) and for young and part-time workers. It's function is not to be a "living wage," as the socialists insist.
Government doesn't need to raise the minimum wage; you need to get qualified for a better job.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
This is especially true now because less kids are taking up part-time or entry level jobs that would pay low salaries out of highschool. Everyone is going to college, so those jobs have been forced to pay more to attract the workers.
Wendy's burger flippers start people at nearly $10/hr in my area, and I still see them with help wanted signs up.
At my company which staffs tens of thousands of people weekly, I've never seen a payrate under $8/hr for even the most simple of jobs.
I'm not sure why people think increasing such a wage is even important; it just doesn't seem to apply to anyone anymore. Reynar fucked around with this message on 11-28-2006 at 04:59 PM.
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Bloodsage got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Do you read?Minimum wage wasn't ever, isn't now, and shouldn't be in the future sufficient to live on by itself. It's designed specifically for migrant workers (where multiple family members work) and for young and part-time workers. It's function is not to be a "living wage," as the socialists insist.
Government doesn't need to raise the minimum wage; you need to get qualified for a better job.
If you happened to read my post, I am living with my parents. Hardly using my cash as a "living wage." I am still in high school, and I am working part time. Even so, $5.15 would hardly be enough to cover the bills I have to pay, and I have things pretty good.
I don't think it should be enough to support a family, but $5.15 is a joke.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Arrenn Lightblade said:
If you happened to read my post, I am living with my parents. Hardly using my cash as a "living wage." I am still in high school, and I am working part time. Even so, $5.15 would hardly be enough to cover the bills I have to pay, and I have things pretty good.I don't think it should be enough to support a family, but $5.15 is a joke.
I'd be interested to know where you work that only pays you $5.15 an hour. They certainly need to get with the times...
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So quoth Arrenn Lightblade:
Read the thread. I don't make $5.15. Actually, I am at $5.75 right now, which is about the standard starting wage for most part-time work in my area.
"Read the thread" hurrr. Do you even check your own posts? Nowhere did you mention until just now what you made, am I supposed to read your mind?
So, what your gripe boils down to is that you "could be" paid less (but aren't) and that is bad somehow?
As others have said here, you aren't supposed to make a living off of part-time work, that's why it is called 'part-time'. If you're trying to use it for anything else than supplemental income you're a fool.
I hear the democrats around my area occasionally say that the country would be better off if we raised the minimum wage, ive heard the daily show complain that Congress shot down that idea, and i think it was on Kerry's platform in 2004. So when i say everybody, i mean everybody liberal.
I've heard the "it will devalue the dollar" argument quite a few times and it is laughable. The dollar is still considerably overvalued and has no where to go but down. We need the dollar to depreciate anyway, to lessen the impact of our foreign debt and to help balance trade. If you want to look for issues that are raping the value of the dollar, look for our massive account and government finance deficits first.
Anyway, I think the debate is mostly over anyway. The new congress is surely going to raise minimum wage to around an inflation-adjusted $7.25 and Bush won't veto it, mindful of the fact that this is could be a big mobilization issue and the Republicans are going to have enough problems getting/staying in power in 2008.
I dunno, I kinda like it. 
But I agree -- if you're trying to support a family on just minimum wage, you're crazy. College is incredibly easy to go to nowadays, with loan money, grants and all that shit out there.
Making only minimum wage sucks. I figured that out when I worked at Blockbuster for 8 months and was minimum wage. That's why I never plan to work minimum wage again. Ever ever ever.
I am still barely scraping by and I don't want to see the minimum wage go highre, but it invaribally will this January.... I see an increase of minimum wage as a government mandated increase in prices for goods. the last minimum wage increase in california managed to have many profitable businesses either close of move to avoid the higher costs, and seeing as what our economy is at, the moving away thing seems to be the better of choices..... The past 2 years I've seen the Sony TV plant that was right accross the freeway get downsized, to 1/2 of what it was, tore down half of the overall facility and watch it all go south of the border.
I'm betting that there will be another jump in gas prices as well this comming January to compensate for the higher wages.
It's almost to expensive for me to even go to work because I'm somewhat forced to commute. (live at home and work/school is 24 miles away and I don't make enough(more than the one job I have now) to move away from home without putting my grades at risk).
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Almond was naked while typing this:
Attach the min wage to Congressional Pay raises, and the rest will take care of itself. Government employees/officals get over paid and have too many benefits as is, you want to talk about socialism in action look there.
You're an idiot.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Razor was all like:
I've worked for minimum wage back in high school, and it well sucked, but for other reasons. since then I have worked for $7.00(daycare), $10.00(janitorial), $9.00(Vons Deli), and started at $8.00 but now making $10.00 for my current electronic tech/assembally job with another possible raise next May.I am still barely scraping by and I don't want to see the minimum wage go highre, but it invaribally will this January.... I see an increase of minimum wage as a government mandated increase in prices for goods. the last minimum wage increase in california managed to have many profitable businesses either close of move to avoid the higher costs, and seeing as what our economy is at, the moving away thing seems to be the better of choices..... The past 2 years I've seen the Sony TV plant that was right accross the freeway get downsized, to 1/2 of what it was, tore down half of the overall facility and watch it all go south of the border.
I'm betting that there will be another jump in gas prices as well this comming January to compensate for the higher wages.
It's almost to expensive for me to even go to work because I'm somewhat forced to commute. (live at home and work/school is 24 miles away and I don't make enough(more than the one job I have now) to move away from home without putting my grades at risk).
You're an idiot.
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Almond's fortune cookie read:
Attach the min wage to Congressional Pay raises, and the rest will take care of itself. Government employees/officals get over paid and have too many benefits as is, you want to talk about socialism in action look there.
You're an idiot.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about dark elf butts:
I get minimum wage at my part-time job at EB. PA's minimum wage is being raised to 7.15 come this january.I dunno, I kinda like it.
You're an idiot.
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Naimah wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
You're an idiot.
I am not aware of any private sector jobs where you can be vested with a pension in 6 years, get paid to learn the skills for your job and have at the same time free medical dental and even low cost life insurance. If you should happen to get disabled you get paid until you recover or you expire. These things not only for yourself but your spouse and dependants.
Congress keeps shooting down raising the min wage yet keeps voting its self pay raises. Now I wont debate what a Min wage should be, but I do know if every time congress wanted a pay raise they had to raise the min wage this would be a non issue.
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Naimah had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
You're right, there should be no incentive at all for extremely qualified people to give up lucrative professional careers in order to serve their country.
I agree, there shouldnt be, serving the greater good should be its own reward. You suggest that all of them are actually sacrificing something, I suggest the some of them are fuckups who couldnt make it in a competitive work force, and the majority are drones who are soulless automatons who perform the most basic of tasks for years without any imagination or drive to improve. A Precious few May be as you suggest giving up something in the private sector but guess what when they take that early retirement they have open doors for those private sector positions waiting for those types (lets call them the Bloodsages) their time spent in the government is an calculated investment. For every handful of Bloodsages you have 10s of thousands of leaches on the taxpayer wallet.
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Almond impressed everyone with:
I agree, there shouldnt be, serving the greater good should be its own reward. You suggest that all of them are actually sacrificing something, I suggest the some of them are fuckups who couldnt make it in a competitive work force, and the majority are drones who are soulless automatons who perform the most basic of tasks for years without any imagination or drive to improve. A Precious few May be as you suggest giving up something in the private sector but guess what when they take that early retirement they have open doors for those private sector positions waiting for those types (lets call them the Bloodsages) their time spent in the government is an calculated investment. For every handful of Bloodsages you have 10s of thousands of leaches on the taxpayer wallet.
just fucking wow 
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Everyone wondered WTF when Greenlit wrote:
You're an idiot.
Mine is actually a part time job to pay some bills until I go back to school, actually. I don't know enough about the subject to have a true opinion on the matter.
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Nobody really understood why Greenlit wrote:
You're an idiot.
May I inquire why?
Here is San Antonio, Fast food places pay $8 dollars and hour. I don't know anyone that makes less then $6.
Hell even the illegals that I see working or want to work for me won't work for less then $7.
I do not try to pretend I know anything about politics, I think it all stinks and power corrupts...
But think of it this way, if everyone has high paying jobs and is educated, who will do the all manual labor and crap jobs?
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Razor spewed forth this undeniable truth:
May I inquire why?
Haven't you figured it out by now?
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We were all impressed when OrangeBrand wrote:
But think of it this way, if everyone has high paying jobs and is educated, who will do the all manual labor and crap jobs?
English Majors.
The only person I know that had their first job actually AT minimum wage was my brother, and all he was doing was bagging groceries. The less you are actually responsible for at your job, the less they're going to pay you. Dur.
minimum wage in California is already much higher than in most places and not much has changed.
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Quoth Kinanik:
English Majors.
That's funny: I'm an English major and pull down well above the average. You'll also want to note that many CEOs are liberal arts majors.
So, neener.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Almond was naked while typing this:
I am not aware of any private sector jobs where you can be vested with a pension in 6 years, get paid to learn the skills for your job and have at the same time free medical dental and even low cost life insurance. If you should happen to get disabled you get paid until you recover or you expire. These things not only for yourself but your spouse and dependants.Congress keeps shooting down raising the min wage yet keeps voting its self pay raises. Now I wont debate what a Min wage should be, but I do know if every time congress wanted a pay raise they had to raise the min wage this would be a non issue.
Wait, what?
For one thing,...
Never mind. You arent worth the effort.
