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diadem
eet bugz
posted 04-02-2005 07:37:07 PM
i want to get one of my friends something specail for her birthday. every year it's something a little bigger. this year, the idea is to her buy a star (yeah i know don't "really" name the star, but that's not the point) in the area whever libra is, find the sound of the star, and have someone make a punk song using the beat of the star. Question is, is it possible to find the beat of a certain star if you have the coordinates?
play da best song in da world or me eet your soul
Sean
posted 04-02-2005 07:38:03 PM
A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 04-02-2005 07:43:37 PM
nem-x
posted 04-02-2005 07:46:19 PM
Ares
posted 04-02-2005 07:53:40 PM
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-02-2005 07:57:00 PM
diadem
eet bugz
posted 04-02-2005 07:57:20 PM
?

stuff like this is out of my leauge...

play da best song in da world or me eet your soul
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-02-2005 07:58:57 PM
The best gift I ever gave was...uh...I forget.

Just get her a cock.

diadem
eet bugz
posted 04-02-2005 08:01:54 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Mr. Parcelan stammered:
The best gift I ever gave was...uh...I forget.

Just get her a cock.


ok, lets say i get her a cock and this gift.... how do i get the "sound" the star emits?

play da best song in da world or me eet your soul
Ares
posted 04-02-2005 08:03:21 PM

Get her a diamond. It's like a star.. Only it's pretty.. And you can wear it.

I'm not materialistic AT ALL.

Ares fucked around with this message on 04-02-2005 at 08:04 PM.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-02-2005 08:03:58 PM
quote:
diadem had this to say about Pirotess:
ok, lets say i get her a cock and this gift.... how do i get the "sound" the star emits?

Stars don't make sounds. They're balls of burning gas.

The closest you can get is recording yourself lighting a fart.

diadem
eet bugz
posted 04-02-2005 08:06:20 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Mr. Parcelan said:
Stars don't make sounds. They're balls of burning gas.

The closest you can get is recording yourself lighting a fart.


when you turn on the fm (or is it am? the one that doesn't get stuff bounced back from earth) and hear soem sounds, isn't tha tfrm stars?

i recall hearing some science thing about scientsts thinking they got a signal from extraterrestraial life, but realising it was just emisions from a star.... they were surprised by the complex repetative patterns from it, or something

all i care about is some wavelength that can be converted into sound that originated from that star. that way i can have a songmade based on the pulse from her star.

the link i sent has something about Doppler/Fizeau effects or something, but it's way beyond my area of understanding of physics

diadem fucked around with this message on 04-02-2005 at 08:08 PM.

play da best song in da world or me eet your soul
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 04-02-2005 08:08:05 PM
quote:
Ares stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:

Get her a diamond. It's like a star.. Only it's pretty.. And you can wear it.

I'm not materialistic AT ALL.


You know what makes a diamond so pretty? All the blood that was shed to get it.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Ares
posted 04-02-2005 08:08:43 PM
quote:
This one time, at diadem camp:
when you turn on the fm (or is it am? the one that doesn't get stuff bounced back from earth) and hear soem sounds, isn't tha tfrm stars?

i recall hearing some science thing about scientsts thinking they got a signal from extraterrestraial life, but realising it was just emisions from a star.... they were surprised by the complex repetative patterns from it, or something

all i care about is some wavelength that can be converted into sound that originated from that star. that way i can have a songmade based on the pulse from her star.


Are you planning on making the song?

All joking aside, I think it's a sweet idea. I'm sure she'll really appreciate the thought that you put into this.

diadem
eet bugz
posted 04-02-2005 08:11:06 PM
quote:
JooJooFlop had this to say about dark elf butts:
You know what makes a diamond so pretty? All the blood that was shed to get it.

that made me laugh a bit.

no, i'm not planning on making the song myself.

edit: this isn't meant as a cheesy romantic gift, it's meant as a birthday present that always has to outdo the last one, six years running

diadem fucked around with this message on 04-02-2005 at 08:12 PM.

play da best song in da world or me eet your soul
Ares
posted 04-02-2005 08:11:10 PM
quote:
JooJooFlop had this to say about John Romero:
You know what makes a diamond so pretty? All the blood that was shed to get it.

Buy me a diamond JooJoo.

On a serious note... I'd rather have a lab-created diamond or a Canadian mined diamond to say away from that.. But the lab-created ones are had to find so far, and the canadian ones are super-expensive.

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 04-02-2005 08:14:49 PM
Synthetic diamonds should become more available soon. They're getting better and better at making flawless diamonds in large amounts for less money.

But fuck jewlery, I wanna see them used to make computer components and hand tools. A diamond-toothed chainsaw would be fantastic.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Ares
posted 04-02-2005 08:18:47 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when JooJooFlop said this:
Synthetic diamonds should become more available soon. They're getting better and better at making flawless diamonds in large amounts for less money.

But fuck jewlery, I wanna see them used to make computer components and hand tools. A diamond-toothed chainsaw would be fantastic.


They've actually embedded flaws in some lab-created gems to make them appear more natural. (the lab-created rubies are a good example of this).

Why not? I mean, they have the same physical properties of real diamonds. Still though, people will buy the blood diamonds just for the "prestige" of a "real" diamond.

Only difference is one has more dirt.

Diamond-toothed chainsaw? Hell, that'd cut through your arm like buddah.

diadem
eet bugz
posted 04-02-2005 08:19:02 PM
quote:
JooJooFlop had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Synthetic diamonds should become more available soon. They're getting better and better at making flawless diamonds in large amounts for less money.

But fuck jewlery, I wanna see them used to make computer components and hand tools. A diamond-toothed chainsaw would be fantastic.


if i recall correctly, debeers are going to distrubte tools that can determine if a diamond is "real" or not. basicly, artifical diamonds are completly flawless, real/blood ones aren't.

fuck debeers.

oh, as for the topic, i'm hoping for it to be a red dwarf if that's possible, if that helps when any of you phyiscs buffs come and give me a real answer.

edit: oh, wired has a very cool article about the whole artifical diamond thing, and interviewed some top level people. it's worth the read if you can find it.

diadem fucked around with this message on 04-02-2005 at 08:20 PM.

play da best song in da world or me eet your soul
Sean
posted 04-02-2005 08:21:02 PM
I'd rather have a diamond-toothed chainsaw than a radio recording of a burning flame.

Get her the chainsaw.

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 04-02-2005 08:21:57 PM
quote:
Ares had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Diamond-toothed chainsaw? Hell, that'd cut through your arm like buddah.

Correction: That'd cut through your arm like buddah.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 04-02-2005 08:23:15 PM
quote:
diadem enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
edit: oh, wired has a very cool article about the whole artifical diamond thing, and interviewed some top level people. it's worth the read if you can find it.

Yeah, that's how I even know about synthetic diamonds in the first place.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Ares
posted 04-02-2005 08:23:34 PM
quote:
JooJooFlop spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Correction: That'd cut through your arm like buddah.

HEY! No stealing my damn penguin.

Ares
posted 04-02-2005 08:24:26 PM
quote:
Nobody really understood why JooJooFlop wrote:
Yeah, that's how I even know about synthetic diamonds in the first place.

I watched a discovery channel special on it about a year ago. It was really interesting.

Ruvyen
Cartoon Broccoli Boy
posted 04-02-2005 10:04:28 PM
I want a diamond Buster Sword now.
Thief: "I have come to a realisation. Dragons are not real in a general sense, but they may exist in certain specific cases."
Fighter: "Like how quantum mechanics describes how subatomic particles can spontaneously pop into existence at random!"
Thief: "No, that's stupid and stop making up words."
--8-Bit Theater
Maradon!
posted 04-02-2005 10:11:50 PM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into diadem who doth quote:
when you turn on the fm (or is it am? the one that doesn't get stuff bounced back from earth) and hear soem sounds, isn't tha tfrm stars

You're thinking about xray and radiation emissions being "downsampled" into an audible range. This only works with neutron stars and black holes, as only they have oscillating energy emissions.

Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 04-02-2005 10:14:29 PM
Yeah, you need a "pulsar" type neutron star.
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Mr. Gainsborough
posted 04-02-2005 10:15:05 PM
quote:
Ruvyen's account was hax0red to write:
I want a diamond Buster Sword now.

Diamond Organics would be cooler.

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 04-02-2005 10:27:52 PM
Paging Gee to the thread. Paging Gee to the thread.
-Yuri-
Pancake
posted 04-02-2005 11:11:37 PM
quote:
System.out.println("Ares said this:");
Buy me a diamond JooJoo.

On a serious note... I'd rather have a lab-created diamond or a Canadian mined diamond to say away from that.. But the lab-created ones are had to find so far, and the canadian ones are super-expensive.


My girlfriend's birthday present this year was the Evenstar from LOTR with 7 flawless lab-created diamonds They cost a shitload.

Razor
posted 04-03-2005 12:31:27 AM
*eyetwitches*

holy fuck...

A: Stars make sound, they are gaseous after all, compression waves exist as long as there is a medium for it to pass through, and the solar corona, aka the atmosphere of the sun, extends out many solar radii and during peak years can extend out up to 4-5 A.U., 5 times the distance from the earth to the sun....
the medium usually out to 1 solar radii beyond the surface is usually dense enough *500 particles/cc* to propigate a compression wave, beyond that it suffers extinction.

B: they all oscilate at some freq, caused from orbiting planets, stars, and galaxies. ours oscilates more from it's differential rotation than anything, although the amplitude is small, it does vary.

C: and the buggers emit at ALL Frequencies, just at a varied rate depending on the surface temp, ours is actually more green (600+-50nm) than anything else (5800K Black body radiating curve peak)

D: 25% of all solar flares happen to noted by a mass ejection, and from our sensors, we find that the sun actually belches out the flare, this belch releases enough particles to be seen as a Compression wave.

From my notes in Solar System Astronomy as spoken by Dr. Ron Angione, SDSU Dept of Astronomy, Professor Emeritus.

*Edit: adding picture*

Razor fucked around with this message on 04-03-2005 at 12:34 AM.

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Ares
posted 04-03-2005 12:38:22 AM
quote:
-Yuri- had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
My girlfriend's birthday present this year was the Evenstar from LOTR with 7 flawless lab-created diamonds They cost a shitload.

Only because they are mainstream.

I want and Evenstar necklace. :/~ I'll settle for the one with the saworski crystals..

Timpofee
Mancake
posted 04-04-2005 04:02:46 PM
quote:
Nobody really understood why diadem wrote:
ok, lets say i get her a cock and this gift.... how do i get the "sound" the star emits?

I would say...
Go to a college and ask around
I know they have sound.. but.. i dont think its a "tone" more like a bunch of white noise at the same time

Razor
posted 04-04-2005 04:07:44 PM
Forgot to add, if you wanted the sound of a specific star, you'd need to use something the size of the VLA to get the "sound", it's mainly radio and infrared in that direction anyways.
Astronomy is a passion...
Engineering is a love...
My job isn't a job, it's my career, and I love every minute of it: Observatory Superintendent
Maradon!
posted 04-04-2005 05:41:53 PM
quote:
Razoring:
A: Stars make sound, they are gaseous after all, compression waves exist as long as there is a medium for it to pass through

By that definition, all matter "makes sound", which just isn't true. Sound exists inside stars but they do not generate anything that could be considered sound, particularly not anything rhythmic. Even neutron stars and other pulsar type stars don't generate audible SOUND, they generate oscillating energy emissions that can be turned INTO sound in the same sense that a visualization plugin for Winamp "turns" sound into light.

quote:
they all oscilate at some freq

But they don't all have oscillating energy emissions that could be converted into any kind of rhythmic sound.

quote:
and the buggers emit at ALL Frequencies, just at a varied rate depending on the surface temp, ours is actually more green (600+-50nm) than anything else (5800K Black body radiating curve peak)

D: 25% of all solar flares happen to noted by a mass ejection, and from our sensors, we find that the sun actually belches out the flare, this belch releases enough particles to be seen as a Compression wave.


What's this got to do with anything we're talking about?

quote:
From my notes in Solar System Astronomy as spoken by Dr. Ron Angione, SDSU Dept of Astronomy, Professor Emeritus.

You've demonstrated all knowledge and no understanding.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-04-2005 at 05:42 PM.

Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 04-04-2005 05:50:53 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Vorbis said this:
Paging Gee to the thread. Paging Gee to the thread.

Eh, Maradon got it pretty good. Technically everything makes something that can be put into sound if you arbitrarily assign notes to paticular kinds of emissions. But stars (for the most part) are pretty steady in emissions of various kinds of energy.

If it were me i'd just light a fart on fire and record that. Explosive flaming gas is, after all, explosive flaming gas.

I'm also 19, bored at work, and have a picture of a man stuffing an angry monkey down his pants as a sigpic. So take that into consideration before accepting any advice.

Dr. Gee fucked around with this message on 04-04-2005 at 05:53 PM.

Razor
posted 04-04-2005 08:45:03 PM
quote:
Maradon! wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
By that definition, all matter "makes sound", which just isn't true. Sound exists inside stars but they do not generate anything that could be considered sound, particularly not anything rhythmic. Even neutron stars and other pulsar type stars don't generate audible SOUND, they generate oscillating energy emissions that can be turned INTO sound in the same sense that a visualization plugin for Winamp "turns" sound into light.

But they don't all have oscillating energy emissions that could be converted into any kind of rhythmic sound.

You've demonstrated all knowledge and no understanding.


That's what all stars do, even the densely packed neutron stars, the sound they make is there, there's no real patter, but there is sound. Understanding the fact that it takes a medium for sound to pass through; the denser the medium, the faster it travels, outo to the chromosphere, it is at a minimum 100 times as dense as the average rock density of the Earth. There are explosions and many other events that happen on the sun that generate sound in the audible range, reason we don't hear it, it's too far for one, and two it's medium density drops to that of a vaccum, thus propigation becomes ultimately stopped.

All matter can make sound emission, watch vibrating particles, or bring a tunig fork of the right note next to a piano and play that note, it begins to vibrate, it's also why if you have a pendelum system the two will share energy and osscilate with each other. Take a look at wave functions of sound and wave functions of light, the look pretty dame close, with only a few differences.

Neutron stars, that are x-ray emitters, can be seen to osscilate anywhere from .005Hz to 40+Hz, just outside our audible range, this osscilation is consistent that they would be generating sound, but we can't hear it. Just like the idea behind a geiger counter with audible output, we can't really hear the alpha particles because of their energy output is way too small when it collides and the rest of the variables that it could do.

Refering to the winamp comment; Yes you can do that, and scientists have done what you have said about converting radio to x-ray signals into sound. Alot of it is just "white noise". I never said it's rhythmic at all.

Our sun oscilates in a variable fashion, but depends mostly on Jupiter, it works not in the fashion that it shakes and shimmies by itself, but on the two factors of differential rotation and the ever changing center of gravity of the planetary system. Binary and trinary stars osscilate with respect to each other. and lone stars osscilate with respect to the galaxy and other stars nearby.

The reason I noted the surface temp was the fact the the emission spectra is strongest in different areas, thusly the emitted light varies, there are stars out there that emit in the radio freq, other much larger ones emit at high energy x-ray.

I'm supprised you're challenging someone in the field, but I admit I don't know everything, that's another course, and the best part is that this is mainly the basics. And knowledge can spur on the understanding. it ust takes a while for all of the knowledge to be understood. I admit, I don't have a degree in the field yet, but I will in time. If I get a chance to get to school tomorrow I'll go look up in the archives of "The Astronomical Journal" to help you understand.

Astronomy is a passion...
Engineering is a love...
My job isn't a job, it's my career, and I love every minute of it: Observatory Superintendent
Dr. Gee
Say it Loud, Say it Plowed!
posted 04-04-2005 09:56:20 PM
You're totally missing the point of what Diadem is wanting Razor. He's looking for a way to generate a beat capable of being put into a song from the star. No one's saying that we should be looking for the actual "sound" being produced by the star. That's impossible with our current tech.

What's being sought is some sort of regular burst of energy emmission that can be used for a rythm. What Maradon and i are trying to say is that something like this probably won't be found from a "normal" star and you'd need to look towards some of the more exotic celestial objects like a black hole or pulsating neutron star to find a kind of regular, rythmic energy emission that can be easily obtained from the wash of white noise that is the electromagnetic background of the universe.

Sarudani Miolnir
Old-school poster
posted 04-05-2005 05:51:18 AM
I'll agree with the others in that one star isn't going to give you anything preticularly musical. Then again you want a punk song, so that's probably a plus.

As far as using stars to make music, it's been done. Isao Tomita's Dawn Chorus album was done that way.

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