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Topic: "Teens and Sex: A Surprising Fad"
Ian Benjamin
Pancake
posted 08-07-2004 09:45:09 PM
http://channels.aimtoday.com/ns/love/package.jsp?name=fte/chastityring/chastityring

quote:
Teens and Sex: A Surprising Fad

The latest craze among some teens is a ring--a chastity ring.

If the U.S. Centers for Disease Control is right, 47 percent of teenagers have had sexual intercourse. But that leaves 53 percent who have not. And it seems they want some help bucking the peer pressure. That's where the chastity rings come in.

Worn like a wedding ring, it serves as a reminder to wait until marriage to have sex, reports ABCNews.com. But will it work?

One group that promotes chastity rings and offers a chastity pledge that some 25,000 teens have already taken is Silver Ring Thing. Founder Denny Pattyn told "Good Morning America," "It's a constant reminder on the young person's hand that they've actually made a decision about this. They have a lot of information in their head, but that doesn't stop them in the back seat of a car." He thinks the ring will stop them.

Taking the pledge is not something that has to be done privately or quietly. Teens can choose to make the vow at a rock concert event sponsored by Silver Ring Thing, with loud music, flashy lights, and the chance to buy T-shirts and other memorabilia to generate enthusiasm for their pledge, reports ABCNews.com.

Silver Ring Thing is just one of several abstinence groups. Another popular one is True Love Waits, which claims to have signed up more than one million teens over the past 10 years who have pledged to wait to have sexual intercourse until they are married.

The big question, of course, is whether it works. Columbia University researchers conducted a study with 12,000 teenagers and found that a whopping 88 percent of those who made a chastity vow did have sex before marriage and were 20 percent less likely to use a condom than teens who hadn't taken the pledge.


You know, had I not read that last paragraph I might have thought that this was an actual trend and not a joke. That's one doozy of a fad. Seriously, even 80's "fashion" lasted longer than those vows, and Flock of Seagulls didn't once have to recruit people to dress that way. Does anyone else find the humor in this less than groundbreaking "news" article?

Ian Benjamin
(MJER)

Everything ever taught to you by Jim Bob of Billy Bob's Black Belt Emporium is a lie. Now, tie your obi UNDER the hakama and try again.

Mod
Pancake
posted 08-07-2004 09:47:47 PM
This probably coincides with the rise of teenage obesity.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Maradon!
posted 08-07-2004 09:59:09 PM
Oh no! Teenagers are (gasp!) fulfilling a biological need!

There's no point in abstainance unless you're a religious zealot. What they should be advocating is safe sex awareness, that way kids are safe and don't have to live their lives in self-imposed guilt over natural biological desires.

Advocating abstainance only perpetuates ignorance.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 08-07-2004 10:05:11 PM
quote:
Maradon! wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Oh no! Teenagers are (gasp!) fulfilling a biological need!

There's no point in abstainance unless you're a religious zealot. What they should be advocating is safe sex awareness, that way kids are safe and don't have to live their lives in self-imposed guilt over natural biological desires.

Advocating abstainance only perpetuates ignorance.


What this guy said.

Darius!
Pancake
posted 08-07-2004 10:05:58 PM
quote:
Mod had this to say about Captain Planet:
This probably coincides with the rise of teenage obesity.

total burn

Ian Benjamin
Pancake
posted 08-07-2004 10:06:25 PM
quote:
Pvednes had this to say about Pirotess:
What this guy said.

Agreed

Ian Benjamin
(MJER)

Everything ever taught to you by Jim Bob of Billy Bob's Black Belt Emporium is a lie. Now, tie your obi UNDER the hakama and try again.

Maradon!
posted 08-07-2004 10:08:05 PM
quote:
x--Darius!O-('-'Q) :
total burn

I don't get it

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 08-07-2004 10:24:07 PM
He's trying to imply that they're not having sex because they're so fat that nobody will screw them, I think.

Which is just obsured. Fat chicks give the best head.

...what?

Aury
My hair is a deadly weapon
posted 08-07-2004 11:01:43 PM
quote:
Snoota enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
He's trying to imply that they're not having sex because they're so fat that nobody will screw them, I think.

Which is just obsuredabsurd. Fat chicks give the best head.

...what?


Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 08-07-2004 11:15:24 PM
I've waited until then, and I didn't need a fucking ring to tell me so.

I agree with Maradon. Abstinence is a good option, but education about STDs, sex, and shit is a much, much better one.

There are cases of people who were trying to have a child, and didn't realize that they actually had to have sex to do so.

Arttemis
Not Squire... but a guitar!
posted 08-07-2004 11:24:28 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Pirotess:
I've waited until then, and I didn't need a fucking ring to tell me so.

I agree with Maradon. Abstinence is a good option, but education about STDs, sex, and shit is a much, much better one.

There are cases of people who were trying to have a child, and didn't realize that they actually had to have sex to do so.


I'm pretty sure that's a myth.

Cap'n Elethi
I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt...
posted 08-07-2004 11:48:41 PM
quote:
Arttemis wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I'm pretty sure that's a myth.

Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it untrue.

Elethi Rian, A Man Of Many Talents
Anakha
my standards skyrocket when im on my keyboard heh
posted 08-08-2004 12:01:05 AM
Well, it all stems from lack of education. Case in point: I just graduated from high school. Among the many common misconceptions about sex were:

1. You could not get a girl pregnant on her first time.(Yea, we saw how good that worked out.)

2. You cannot get an STD unless you have sex.

3. A condom works no matter how many times its used.

4. Coitus Interruptus works.

and these were merely the most prevalent. And in my town, the average age a girl lost her viriginty was about 13-15.

"Buzz Beer, the beer of attainable women!"
"You try balancing a cow on the end of a fencepost to wield it like a club. Thats a physical damn challenge!"
"The only problem i have is too much aggro."
Lechium
With no one to ever know
posted 08-08-2004 12:05:56 AM
If safe sex was taught properly to kids these days, there would be no worries about increasing rates of teenage pregnancy. In the home, in school, whatever. Im sure if you learn safe sex properly it doesn't matter how many people have sex. I was unfortunately brought up being told if I have sex before im married, im going straight to hell.

Im not sure about everyone else, but the people wearing a ring and make a promise they are not going to have sex before they are married are making a rather empty promise. Its hard to resist a biological urge with a piece of silver on your finger to remind you of that promise.

"The MP checkpoint is not an Imperial Stormtrooper roadblock, so I should not tell them "You don't need to see my identification, these are not the droids you are looking for."
Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 08-08-2004 12:24:55 AM
quote:
Lechium stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Im not sure about everyone else, but the people wearing a ring and make a promise they are not going to have sex before they are married are making a rather empty promise. Its hard to resist a biological urge with a piece of silver on your finger to remind you of that promise.

I've never understood how people can take a lifelong oath to stay with someone if they've never even found out how compatible they are in the sack, first. As stupid as the analogy is, it's a good idea to take a car out for a test drive...you may really like the car, but if it drives like shit, you're not going to buy it.

But then, I guess sex is really what you make of it, and some people turn it into a bigger deal than it really is. (Hi, Christianity!)

And I'll never understand why they don't teach sex ed in some places. The whole "OMG You're giving them ideas!" is rather silly, as many others have said. I, personally, got a unit of sex ed in 8th grade (*giggle* the teacher said penis!), and then a whole unit on STD's in Bio. I think I was Chlamydia or something.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 08-08-2004 12:30:41 AM
I realized it was a bad idea to have sex with random partners when I saw pictures of penii with various STDs.
Lechium
With no one to ever know
posted 08-08-2004 12:37:05 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis painfully thought these words up:
I realized it was a bad idea to have sex with random partners when I saw pictures of penii with various STDs.

Those horrible pictures they showed us in SEX ED. class in high school.

"The MP checkpoint is not an Imperial Stormtrooper roadblock, so I should not tell them "You don't need to see my identification, these are not the droids you are looking for."
Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 08-08-2004 12:45:11 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis thought about the meaning of life:
I realized it was a bad idea to have sex with random partners when I saw pictures of penii with various STDs.

Not abstaining from sex before marriage does not necessarily mean you sleep with everything on two legs.

Edit because I missed a Not. It made very little sense that way.

Alidane fucked around with this message on 08-08-2004 at 12:46 AM.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 08-08-2004 12:45:39 AM
quote:
Blah blah blah Lechium blah blah blah...
Those horrible pictures they showed us in SEX ED. class in high school.

yeah, my school was crappy.

We had a video (Showed to both classes, male/female seperated) that still had the IUD in it (The IUD is banned by the FDA for whatever reason).

Maradon!
posted 08-08-2004 12:56:55 AM
quote:
x--Delphi AegisO-('-'Q) :
I realized it was a bad idea to have sex with random partners when I saw pictures of penii with various STDs.

Do you realize how very few people actually have sex at random?

That sort of behavior is pretty much limited to the club-hopping underwear model Adonis and the rave-going fake-tits supermodel airhead. Unless someone is a "perfect 10", they're not even going to have the chance to sleep with random people.

Normal people generally persue a relationship for at least two or three weeks before they hit the sack, plenty of time for a prospective to come clean about any STD's. Sure, the occasional psycho could lie and claim they have none when they do, but that situation still exists with marriage so it's a moot point.

Another point to bring up is that abstaining puts undue pressure on marriage. People who want to fuck (and everyone does, just as everyone wants to eat and breathe) but have been guilt-tripped into waiting until marriage are more likely to rush into marriage. Then you've got a potential divorce and maybe even some kids to complicate the matter since they were never taught about contraception.

What's more "dangerous" to the institution of marriage? Premarital sex? or getting married because your loins told you to, then promptly getting divorced?

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-08-2004 at 01:03 AM.

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 08-08-2004 01:04:54 AM
quote:
A sleep deprived Maradon! stammered:
What's more "dangerous" to the institution of marriage? Premarital sex? or getting married because your loins told you to, then promptly getting divorced?

But Maradon, it's morally right to wait until marriage! They're better people because of it!
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 08-08-2004 01:21:43 AM
I agree with Mara 700%
..:: This Is The Sound Of Settling ::..
Hostile Makeover
Evil as chocolate covered thistles
posted 08-08-2004 01:39:36 AM
quote:
So quoth Delphi Aegis:
yeah, my school was crappy.

We had a video (Showed to both classes, male/female seperated) that still had the IUD in it (The IUD is banned by the FDA for whatever reason).


The IUD is still in use. There was a recall in the original design (back in the early 70's), which were linked to causing (I believe) uterine perferations and toxic shock syndrome. They have since been redesigned and are offered in any gynecologist's office.

Toktuk
Pooh Ogre
Keeper of the Shoulders of Peachis Perching
posted 08-08-2004 01:51:01 AM
WARNING!

Maradon is starting to sound like a liberal. End of world inc.

-Tok

Maradon!
posted 08-08-2004 01:57:33 AM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Toktuk booooze lime pole over bench lick:
WARNING!

Maradon is starting to sound like a liberal. End of world inc.

-Tok


I don't agree with either party, and I certainly don't model my ideals after any party. I feel political parties in general are an anachronism and detrimental to democracy as a whole.

I just believe what I believe. When some of my beliefs fall in line with conservatives, people evidently see fit to brand me a conservative

(ok, technically I am a registered republican, but the only reason I'm not independent is because I wanted to vote in the primaries)

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 08-08-2004 02:28:46 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Cap'n Elethi wrote:
Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't make it untrue.

Snopes.com has it listed as "unconfirmable" but they say it's highly unlikely.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Dr Cysa
Angsty Mcangst
posted 08-08-2004 03:02:39 AM
Personally I don't understand the whole abstinance till marriage. Is there a reason that the first time a married couple sleeps together that people don't want them to have a clue as to how to do it right? Personally experimenting as a teen doesn't seem that bad to me as long as they do it safely. I question if I really should say they though considering I am technically a member of that defined crowd? Personally the worst sex you can have is with someone who doesn't know how or is inexperienced. My point is virginity is overrated, give me a pro any day of the week(town slut isn't really that good either just cause by then its worn thin and you don't get much out of it unless your a freakin stallion, which is a gift few males have).

My major point is!

Teens are gonna experiment, and there really isn't anything wrong with that. Its not like teens having sex is something that just came about, hell I'm sure people were having sex at younger ages back before society went all hyper religious moral nazis. If you wanna do anything about it is inform them, keep them safe, and keep your daughters on birth control till they are 18. Depo Provera is your FRIEND!

I don't discriminate...I hate everyone.
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 08-08-2004 04:10:22 AM
I won't have sex till marriage, for completely non-religious based reasons.

1) No matter how good the condom, no matter if the girl is on the pill, there is still a chance that she will get pregnant. I don't plan to get married until I can support a child. I don't plan to have sex until I am married. I won't have a child until I can support the kid properly without having to put my potential career on hold.

2) No matter how truthful someone claims to be, no matter how good the protection, STDs can still get through. People can lie. People may have an STD and not know it. I'd rather wait until I've committed with someone and know for a fact they are clean.

And no, I don't have this stance because it hasn't been offered. IT has been offered multiple times this past year up at college. And yes, the girls were good looking...if I didn't believe what I did I'd have had sex multiple times this past year. Yes, it does suck to be inexperienced, but I'll be damned if I'm going to potentially ruin my future just to satisfy the urge. And I'm nearly 23 years old.

Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 08-08-2004 at 04:10 AM.

Maradon!
posted 08-08-2004 04:16:46 AM
quote:
x--Falaanla MarrO-('-'Q) :
No matter how good the condom, no matter if the girl is on the pill, there is still a chance that she will get pregnant.

Acutally, the failure rate of condoms is the exact same as the breakage rate. As long as a condom remains intact during intercourse, it IS 100% protection against pregnancy and STD's.

That's why I say, when it comes to buying a jimmy hat, buy the good stuff.

Though I'm kinda a hypocrite in saying that since the last three times I've had sex it's been spray-and-pray.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-08-2004 at 04:17 AM.

Maradon!
posted 08-08-2004 04:18:27 AM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Falaanla Marr who doth quote:
And no, I don't have this stance because it hasn't been offered.

I didn't think that, I just thought you were an idiot

Also you're at an advantage - the few times I've seen you discuss the topic you've demonstrated remarkably little sex drive.

Just as some people relish eating less than others, some people have less sex drive than others.

Me? I love eating. Oh yeah. I can eat for hours.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-08-2004 at 04:20 AM.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 08-08-2004 04:28:35 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Maradon! said:
I didn't think that, I just thought you were an idiot

Also you're at an advantage - the few times I've seen you discuss the topic you've demonstrated remarkably little sex drive.

Just as some people relish eating less than others, some people have less sex drive than others.

Me? I love eating. Oh yeah. I can eat for hours.


My right hand and good porn keep that in check, thank-you-very-much.

But no, there is still no way to give a 100% guarantee that you won't get a bad condom or some such. I know it is a very small chance, but that is a very small chance that could change my life forever. No thanks.

Maradon!
posted 08-08-2004 04:33:25 AM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Falaanla Marr booooze lime pole over bench lick:
But no, there is still no way to give a 100% guarantee that you won't get a bad condom or some such. I know it is a very small chance, but that is a very small chance that could change my life forever. No thanks.

The chances of dying by food poisoning or in a car accident are much, much higher.

Better stop eating and driving, too After all, no 100% guaruntee that some wacko isn't going to blow a redlight and plow into the driver's side door.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-08-2004 at 04:34 AM.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 08-08-2004 04:35:56 AM
quote:
Maradon! thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
The chances of dying by food poisoning or in a car accident are much, much higher.

Better stop eating and driving, too


If I get food poisoning, I can get that taken care of in a hospital.

If I get in a car accident and get killed, my life just ends early. I didn't get to finish school, oh well.

If I get a woman pregnant, though, I have to quit school to support a child. I have to work a full time job, AND be a father to a child. I hav eto potentially marry a woman that I don't want to be with to provide a stable home for said child.

I.E. my life for the next 50+ years would not be want I want. I may not want to die early, but if I do...I don't have to put up with that early death not being something I didn't want to happen. It just ends.

Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 08-08-2004 04:41:59 AM
quote:
Maradon! spewed forth this undeniable truth:
The chances of dying by food poisoning or in a car accident are much, much higher.

Better stop eating and driving, too After all, no 100% guaruntee that some wacko isn't going to blow a redlight and plow into the driver's side door.


You're also likely to get struck by lightning wielding terrorists.

Moral of the story: Sex isn't some evil beast out to chomp your wee-wee off unless you have a marriage certificate. Don't be a dumbass and you shouldn't likely suffer.

is it obvious I just wanted to bring up lightning wielding terrorists?

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 08-08-2004 04:43:09 AM
chops Vorbis' wee wee off
Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 08-08-2004 04:44:28 AM
quote:
Snoota had this to say about Cuba:
chops Vorbis' wee wee off

my life is a crotch.

Nina
posted 08-08-2004 06:09:33 AM
Just a little thought from me, protection, etc is fine and well, but all forms of protection have a probability of failure (albeit tiny)... The only good protection from conception and STDs is abstinence.

But I doubt that's what they're thinking of with their vows.

Maradon!
posted 08-08-2004 07:23:02 AM
quote:
x--NinaO-('-'Q) :
The only good protection from conception and STDs is abstinence.

No, that's the only perfect form of contraception, and it smacks of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. It's the perfect form of contraception in the same sense that cutting off your head is the perfect headache cure.

There are many, many 95%+ forms of contraception, and a jimmy hat is 100% if you're not an idiot and break it. 95% is a fairly signifigant advantage. You trust your life to worse odds daily. And believe it or not, it's really not all that easy to get a woman pregnant. Many perfectly healthy married couples try to have children, repeatedly, and fail for a long time, but it's like second hand smoke - advocacy groups WANT you to believe it's more dangerous than it is.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-08-2004 at 07:24 AM.

Maradon!
posted 08-08-2004 07:28:45 AM
quote:
Falaanla Marring:
If I get food poisoning, I can get that taken care of in a hospital.

If I get in a car accident and get killed, my life just ends early. I didn't get to finish school, oh well.

If I get a woman pregnant, though, I have to quit school to support a child. I have to work a full time job, AND be a father to a child. I hav eto potentially marry a woman that I don't want to be with to provide a stable home for said child.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you just base your argument off of the claim that you'd rather die than get a woman pregnant?

Easy solution: If your girl tells you she's pregnant, shoot yourself

You missed my point in any case. As I said in my post immediatly previous to this one, my point was that you trust your life to less-than-perfect odds daily and get away fine. There's no more danger of sex with a condom going wrong than there is of a drive to work going wrong.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 08-08-2004 07:31:21 AM
I've used a condom every time. For me, that tiny little margin is a little thing I like to call "an acceptable risk." I also drive a car. A car from the late 80s, with very little in the way of safety features, and the risk there is a great, great deal higher. It is still an acceptable risk.

In the case of condom use however, it's an extremely acceptable risk!

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