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Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 11-30-2003 11:18:55 PM
A lot of people are saying it's a great movie. Epic. As good as or better than Braveheart.

I personally was thinking it was going to blow more than Sean's mother in a wind tunnel, mostly because of Cruise.

But now I'm much more interested. Anyone planning to see this movie?



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So on I wait my whole lifetime.

D Spot
Pancake
posted 11-30-2003 11:23:03 PM
Edit: never mind! I fucked up so many times on this post I quit.

[ 11-30-2003: Message edited by: Dspot ]

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 11-30-2003 11:23:31 PM
What happened to Tom Cruise?

The Color of Money, Cocktails, Days of Thunder, Top Gun, A Few Good Men and Interview with a Vampire were all so long ago.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HIM IN THE LAST TEN YEARS!?

[ 11-30-2003: Message edited by: Snoota ]

Valso
Pancake
posted 11-30-2003 11:23:43 PM
I very much want to see this movie. I hope it is worthwhile, I probably will see it Friday night. (yay! got the night off from work by some miracle)
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Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 11-30-2003 11:24:41 PM
I plan to see it. Cruise can be a great actor. He has been cast in some crappy movies but he has also had some great ones.

The movie looks as good as they say if not better. The few scenes they have shown look good and Cruises acting seems to be very solid.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Sean
posted 11-30-2003 11:28:20 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Snoota wrote:
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HIM IN THE LAST TEN YEARS!?

Apart from Mission Impossible, Mission Impossible 2, Minority Report, Jerry Maguire and The Firm, you mean?

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-30-2003 11:32:21 PM
I hated Cocktail.
Suddar
posted 11-30-2003 11:33:40 PM
Vanilla Sky.
Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 11-30-2003 11:34:01 PM
quote:
Sean wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Apart from Mission Impossible, Mission Impossible 2, Minority Report, Jerry Maguire and The Firm, you mean?

All but Jerry Maguire, the Firm, and the first Mission Impossible were subpar at best. The number of less than great movies has greatly risen over the last ten years in relation to the number of great movies.

BetaTested
Not gay, but loves the cock!
posted 11-30-2003 11:35:16 PM
I plan on going to see it. Not sure when, but I plan on doing it.

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OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 11-30-2003 11:52:42 PM
I'll be seeing it in a week and a half!

Ahh...the Joys of Working at a movie theatre ^_^

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can you please fix my title
posted 11-30-2003 11:55:18 PM
Dont like Tom cruise, but I do like his former wife
Im confused as always[xIMG]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/356687/somthorsig3.JPG[/img]
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 11-30-2003 11:56:29 PM
I'm going to see it because I'm more familiar with Japanese history than just about any other nation's history, so I want to see the historical backdrop. I suspect it's depicting the Satsuma revolt, but it could be any number of battles during the Civil War in the last five years of Tokugawa, because there were peasant armies used then.

Of course, they could just be making up shit for the sake of making up shit, but we shall see.

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Beer.

Lashanna
noob
posted 12-01-2003 12:10:32 AM
quote:
Suddar got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Vanilla Sky.

Yes.

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Suddar
posted 12-01-2003 12:11:39 AM
quote:
Lashanna stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Yes.

Holy shit, somebody that agrees with me. Besides Vorbis.

I've been hawking that movie for about a year with nothing but the cold touch of ill reception. ;P

[ 12-01-2003: Message edited by: Suddar ]

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 12-01-2003 12:20:41 AM
So is it like Shogun?
(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
D Spot
Pancake
posted 12-01-2003 12:21:05 AM
quote:
Black had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
A lot of people are saying it's a great movie. Epic. As good as or better than Braveheart.

I personally was thinking it was going to blow more than Sean's mother in a wind tunnel, mostly because of Cruise.

But now I'm much more interested. Anyone planning to see this movie?


Are YOU going to see it?

Lashanna
noob
posted 12-01-2003 12:27:13 AM
quote:
Suddar had this to say about Robocop:
Holy shit, somebody that agrees with me. Besides Vorbis.

I've been hawking that movie for about a year with nothing but the cold touch of ill reception. ;P


The end makes me sob every time, for some reason, even if it is sorta happy.

And not sob in the "I'm so glad everything is good now" triumphant-sort sob.

I loved it a lot. I thought it was a clever film

Dad's going to kill you. Really. He is.
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 12-01-2003 02:43:56 AM
I think Deth has mentioned he'd like to see it, so we probably will. I owe him for making him watch Donnie Darko


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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 12-01-2003 04:26:45 AM
Man does she ever owe me.

And yeah I'm looking forward to seeing Last Samurai. It looks promising.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
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Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 12-01-2003 07:42:12 AM
MI2 was one of the most horrible movies ever made. Where the fuck did they get all those masks from?
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 12-01-2003 07:48:18 AM
quote:
Zaza's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
MI2 was one of the most horrible movies ever made. Where the fuck did they get all those masks from?

Where do they ever?

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Alaan
posted 12-01-2003 07:49:21 AM
quote:
Karnaj thought about the meaning of life:
Of course, they could just be making up shit for the sake of making up shit, but we shall see.

I'm pretty sure they are...being as us white folk probably weren't terribly loved after we forced them to open against their will. I could be wrong though...

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 12-01-2003 11:02:39 AM
quote:
Karnaj thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:

Of course, they could just be making up shit for the sake of making up shit, but we shall see.

Would it matter? They are not marketing the movie as a true story.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Azeroth™
Want my opinion?
posted 12-01-2003 01:48:11 PM
I liked minority report

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Callalron
Hires people with hooks
posted 12-01-2003 02:44:48 PM
quote:
Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Duck Tales:
So is it like Shogun?

Werd.

My first thought on seeing the promo was "Isn't he covering pretty much the same ground Richard Chamberlain did in 'Shogun'? And Chamberlain probably covered it better too.

Callalron
"When mankind finally discovers the center of the universe, a lot of people are going to be upset that it isn't them."
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Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 12-01-2003 02:55:30 PM
I'm more interested in this: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/troy/
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Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 12-01-2003 02:58:26 PM
quote:
Zaza enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
MI2 was one of the most horrible movies ever made. Where the fuck did they get all those masks from?

Have you ever seen darkman? Same thing.

They stole a gimic out of a b-movie. For a "summer blockbuster".

wtf yo.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 12-01-2003 03:10:58 PM
quote:
Blindy Claus stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Have you ever seen darkman? Same thing.

They stole a gimic out of a b-movie. For a "summer blockbuster".

wtf yo.


Actually they 'stole' those masks from the old 60's Mission Impossible series.

[ 12-01-2003: Message edited by: Tarquinn ]

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Pancake
posted 12-01-2003 03:15:00 PM
Vanilla Sky was fun.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 12-01-2003 03:16:51 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Tarquinn:
Actually they 'stole' those masks from the old 60's Mission Impossible series.

I was speaking of the gimick where Ethan knocks a guy out then layers a bunch of masks on them to trick his friend into shooting him.

That is identical to what happens in darkman, right down to the duct tape.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 12-01-2003 03:20:27 PM
oic
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Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 12-01-2003 05:23:32 PM
quote:
Callalron screamed this from the crapper:
Werd.

My first thought on seeing the promo was "Isn't he covering pretty much the same ground Richard Chamberlain did in 'Shogun'? And Chamberlain probably covered it better too.


Not necessarily. There was a time after the collapse of the bakufu in 1868 when the Meiji government had to deal with a former samurai revolt in the outer prefecture of Satsuma. The problem was they abolished the class system and all the benefits thereof. So you have 2 million samurai across the country who lose their priveledges. Some of them are bound to be pissed off.

Also, Japan was, during this Satsuma revolt of 1877, actively trying to re-shape itself in the West's image. They thought if they made themselves into a modern nation-state to rival any of the western imperial powers, they could abbrogate the unequal treaties imposed on them back in the 1850's. They sent missions abroad to learn about the west, but I don't recall if they ever brought westerners over to help them set up their infrastructure.

Now unless the movie's producers/writers were way off the mark, what I've just described above seems to be the most likely historical backdrop for this movie. But, it could just as easily be set in the civil war period of 1863-68, which I surmise is when Shogun was set, yes?

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

The Mighty Quinn
Pancake
posted 12-01-2003 05:43:11 PM
Shogun was set during the the final phases of the Tokugowa securing it's Shogunate against the heir of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and his protector Ishida. Late 1500's to early 1600's. Blackthorn was an English privateer sent with the Dutch to disrupt and steal from the Spanish. They ended up in Japan and tried to make a deal to end the Jesuit influence and Spanish trade. He wanted to try and make an alliance between Japan and Queen Elizabeth. He ended up becoming a tool of Tokugowa Ieyasu, and in a bizarre way a friend because Ieyasu couldn't trust his own people. He ended up becoming a hatamoto, then samurai, and then the master ship builder for the new shogun.

All of this has basis in fact. There was indeed a historical counterpart to Blackthorn in the service of the Tokugowa, but he and Shogun were exaggerated for story purposes.

[ 12-01-2003: Message edited by: Aquinas ]

Cresent
Pancake
posted 12-01-2003 05:43:21 PM
I don't really like Tom Cruise either but any movie about samurais is worth seeing.
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Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 12-02-2003 10:12:12 AM
quote:
Karnaj thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Stuff

Tom Cruise is supposed to be an Civil War hero figure. So it'll probably a number of years after the end of the war, when his commission has ended and he's sunk into a pit of self-loathing and drinking.

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Pancake
posted 12-02-2003 12:33:18 PM
I bought Vanilla Sky when it came out on DVD.

I take it your thoughts mean I should finally open and watch it?

They say a smile is a gift which is free to the giver and precious to the recipient. But giving the finger is free too, and I find it more personal and sincere.
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 12-02-2003 12:58:09 PM
From talking about this today during our daily "sit around the table and discuss shit at the UC" period, we came to the conclusion thati f this movie took anything from a book, it was likely "Gai-jin", and not "Shogun", due to the time period. I've never read the books myself, but this is what I was told there.

Of course, we also talked alot about other stuff, i was tired and just said fuck and shit alot. so hey.

OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 12-02-2003 04:52:38 PM
It's actually set in the mid to late 1870s...

So, if MY knowledge of Japanese history is correct, they're just making fun shit up.

My sister could look it up in her Japanese Schoolbook (From when she was an exchange student) on their history.

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posted 12-02-2003 04:57:18 PM
It would be better if it were about ninjas!
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