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Gydyon
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posted 05-23-2003 02:20:42 PM
Reading through The Matrix Online website, I noticed something odd.

It states that The Matrix Online takes place in the Matrix, after the third movie. No "real world" playing takes place.

In the Matrix. After the third movie.

Does it seem odd that a trilogy about humanity's fight for freedom and choice allegedly will end with the slavery mechanism still in existence?

[ 05-23-2003: Message edited by: Gydfather ]

Gydyon
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Azizza
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posted 05-23-2003 02:42:53 PM
quote:
Verily, Gydfather doth proclaim:
Reading through The Matrix Online website, I noticed something odd.

It states that The Matrix Online takes place in the Matrix, after the third movie. No "real world" playing takes place.

In the Matrix. After the third movie.

Does it seem odd that a trilogy about humanity's fight for freedom and choice allegedly will end with the slavery mechanism still in existence?


Here is my take on it.

There are about 250,000 people in Zion. It is the only human habitat in existance.
The surface of the earth is uninhabitable at the time as well.
Add to that the fact that many people could not accept the truth of the Matrix.

You do not suddenly wake up all those people and tell them to start a new life. They would have to slowly start bringing people out. Prep the world for more people, try to clear the sky, etc. Anythign less would be a death sentence for almost everyone.

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Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-23-2003 02:43:13 PM
quote:
Gydfather had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Does it seem odd that a trilogy about humanity's fight for freedom and choice allegedly will end with the slavery mechanism still in existence?

Zion simply can't feed everybody, alot of them will have to remain connected to the Matrix and its life support machines as the Zionists wake them up a few at a time.

Plus, not everyone will be ready to deal with finding out that the world they know is a lie, and others will decide that they would rather live the happy lie.

There may also be some rogue programs in the Matrix, even if humans win the war.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Gydyon
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posted 05-23-2003 02:45:05 PM
So the humans will eventually enslave themselves?
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Palador ChibiDragon
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posted 05-23-2003 02:50:03 PM
quote:
Gydfather got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
So the humans will eventually enslave themselves?

Yep, just like they allways have.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
diadem
eet bugz
posted 05-23-2003 02:50:53 PM
who knows? maybe the matrix was created as a cooperative effort between machines and man to let humanity exist forever without them truly able to destroy themselves....

but honestly, i'll stick with the idea that communication between game companies and films they are based off of can be minimal at times, and it may not be the "real" matrix universe.

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Leopold
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posted 05-23-2003 03:21:59 PM
I'm operating under the assumption that, as roleplaying in TMO would be kinda limited based on the source material, they'll leave it at "hey, it ended in Matrix 3, this is the past".
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Gydyon
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posted 05-23-2003 03:37:35 PM
But the FAQ says otherwise, as well as saying the plotlines are coming directly from the Wachowskis....true or false, that's what it says which raises the question.
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Nae
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posted 05-23-2003 04:26:52 PM
Well you know how the Councelor was talking to Neo in the movie and told him that machines and people need each other? Maybe it has something to do with that.
Snugglits
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posted 05-23-2003 04:28:33 PM
Damn, I was expecting some big, ugly wing that goes on the back of my car.
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Kildace
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posted 05-23-2003 04:44:38 PM
Heh, call me anti human if you want, but after the first animatrix episode, I don't think humans deserve to win this war
Mod
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posted 05-24-2003 11:33:25 AM
They won't slaughter the cash-cow by offering a conclusion in the third movie, they'll leave it as open-ended as possible for future sequels, games, books, tv series or shitty prequels about Agent Smith as a little annoying hello world program.

My predictions:

Agent Smith will rise to a major immediate threat to humanity, Neo will kill him once and for all in the Matrix, thus saving Zion.

Zion will be invaded by sentinels which will be repelled with some of the main crew (probably Morpheus) getting killed in the process. The majority of the machines army will be destroyed, giving the humans a chance to fight back, the counterattack will only be hinted at in the movie however.

The annoying kid from the second movie will save neo from the assassin posessed by smith and probably die doing so.

The Oracle will in some way turn out to have been helping humanity all along, possibly by revealing that it was her who forced Trinity into the Matrix to make Neo not choose to restart the cycle.

With the cycle of Zion destruction / reconstruction broken and all immediate threats to humanity destroyed, the movie will end leaving us guessing what will come next.

[ 05-24-2003: Message edited by: Shazorx / Modrakien ]

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-24-2003 11:54:38 PM
quote:
Kildace had this to say about Tron:
Heh, call me anti human if you want, but after the first animatrix episode, I don't think humans deserve to win this war

Yeah I know...first part of "Second Rennaissance" was a tight piece of animation...certainly conveyed the horror of what humans did to the machines.

On the other hand, watch "Second Rennaissance, Part 2" and it certainly sheds light on the brutal overkill the machines levied against humanity, before the Matrix was assembled. You think they just started plugging people into the Matrix? no no...

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Gydyon
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posted 05-25-2003 12:20:11 AM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael impressed everyone with:
Yeah I know...first part of "Second Rennaissance" was a tight piece of animation...certainly conveyed the horror of what humans did to the machines.

On the other hand, watch "Second Rennaissance, Part 2" and it certainly sheds light on the brutal overkill the machines levied against humanity, before the Matrix was assembled. You think they just started plugging people into the Matrix? no no...


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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-25-2003 01:28:34 AM
quote:
Gydfather impressed everyone with:
Surrender your flesh......we demand it....

KABOOM!

I was very impressed by the four animatrix shorts they had up. Second Rennaissance was amazing for the depth of story it conveyed via artwork in such little time, and Detective Story was an interesting take on how the machines might hunt down other humans (use a human "stalking horse" to do their dirty work for them).

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Hireko
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posted 05-25-2003 01:42:28 AM
*blinks*

Y'all came out of the movie thinking that Zion was real? Maybe I just have a weird take on it, but I came out of it believing Zion was just another level of the Matrix as a prison for the rebellious people, to give them something to fight. Hence Neo stopping the machines that destroyed their ship.

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Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 05-25-2003 01:44:47 AM
quote:
'Reko Tokah Fang had this to say about Robocop:
*blinks*

Y'all came out of the movie thinking that Zion was real? Maybe I just have a weird take on it, but I came out of it believing Zion was just another level of the Matrix as a prison for the rebellious people, to give them something to fight. Hence Neo stopping the machines that destroyed their ship.


You and five hundred thousand others.

The Matrix on Matrix idea is too simple, and too... Lame.



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Steven Steve
posted 05-25-2003 01:46:42 AM
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Il Buono
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posted 05-25-2003 01:54:29 AM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about Tron:
The Matrix on Matrix idea is too simple, and too... Lame.

I came out thinking the machines just kept overunning Zion, then allowing it to be repopulated, etc etc, every time the One figured shit out.

But I was also very, very, tired.

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Hireko
Kill a fish before breakfast each day
posted 05-25-2003 02:07:30 AM
quote:
Black Mage's account was hax0red to write:
You and five hundred thousand others.

Well at least I'm not crazy. =) Sorry, I haven't been reading Matrix threads.

It could be cool. I'd love to see Neo discover he's really a program, and that Trinity's a human, and the struggle over whether he to free her mind or keep her with him.

But it might indeed be lame, however it comes out.

Edit: UBB owned me.

[ 05-25-2003: Message edited by: 'Reko Tokah Fang ]

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Elvish Crack Piper
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posted 05-25-2003 04:06:01 AM
Where ahve you seen these animatrix shorts?

And didnt the two brothers already say their wasnt a second operational matrix?

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Snugglits
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posted 05-25-2003 04:19:26 PM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about Captain Planet:
The Matrix on Matrix idea is too simple, and too... Lame.

The movie sets up for it really well, I noticed.

So, it's not too bad.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
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posted 05-25-2003 05:45:52 PM
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Where ahve you seen these animatrix shorts?

And didnt the two brothers already say their wasnt a second operational matrix?


The four original animatrix shorts were at www.animatrix.com I believe.

And yes, the brothers Wachowski already confirmed there is no "Matrix outside the matrix". Which I am thankful for.

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Snugglits
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posted 05-25-2003 05:52:21 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
And yes, the brothers Wachowski already confirmed there is no "Matrix outside the matrix". Which I am thankful for.

I keep seeing people say this without linkage.

Where's da proof?

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Hireko
Kill a fish before breakfast each day
posted 05-25-2003 06:24:24 PM
I'm glad to hear that. It makes thinking about what might actually have been happening more interesting.
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