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Topic: I wonder how many Matrix Fans will be pissed...
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 05-13-2003 03:47:10 PM
When they can't buy tickets.

I just realised that this movie is Rated R. While I find the film rating system to be extremely useless and, Idiotic, I can't help but wonder how much of an uproar there will be over this.

Not to mention what kind of impact this will have on sales.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Comrade Snoota
Communist
Da, Tovarisch!
posted 05-13-2003 03:47:57 PM
I've never once in my life been denied tickets to anything because of my age. It's one of those things that happen in theory, not in reality.
You smell that? Do you smell that? ...Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory.
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 05-13-2003 03:50:30 PM
A lot of the theaters around here are pretty anal about it. I can't speak for other parts of the country though. /shrug
"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Alek
Not The Rapist
posted 05-13-2003 03:50:58 PM
quote:
Comrade Snoota spewed forth this undeniable truth:
I've never once in my life been denied tickets to anything because of my age. It's one of those things that happen in theory, not in reality.

Yeah, this is true. Even if I do look like I'm 14 or 15.

"Love wisdom, and she will make you great. Embrace her, and she will bring you honour. She will be your crowning glory."
-Proverbs 4:8-9
Maradon!
posted 05-13-2003 03:52:27 PM
All you have to do is have whoever drove you to the theater buy the tickets for you. Problem solved.

Wasn't the original rated R?

Bummey the Fool
Prefers to play with men
posted 05-13-2003 03:53:13 PM
You have to be fucking 16 to buy an R rated ticket. TO BUY, you can still see R rated movies under 16. It's not like it's the end of the world.
Kirane
Pancake
posted 05-13-2003 03:57:01 PM
They check ID twice in a local AMC here! When you but the ticket, and when you are entering the theater!

Good thing I'm 16.

Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 05-13-2003 03:57:51 PM
Yeah over here if you look even remotely younger than 30, they have to have 1 ID for each ticket you buy for R rated movies.
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Bummey the Fool
Prefers to play with men
posted 05-13-2003 03:59:52 PM
Then sneak in the back entrance, it's not quantum physics we're talking here. It's a shitty movie with a low age requirement.
Maradon!
posted 05-13-2003 04:00:06 PM
Well at that point you only need one ID, one ticket, and one friend to hold the exits open for you
Random Insanity Generator
Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 05-13-2003 04:03:46 PM
What kind of warped places do you people live in?

(1) It's 18, not 16.

(2) I've seen ONE ID check on a movie, and it's when my roommate tried to claim 'student' tickets.

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Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 05-13-2003 04:04:15 PM
As far as I know you have to be escorted by an adult to see an R rated movie. Probably depends on the area though.
"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
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Pancake
posted 05-13-2003 04:08:14 PM
Only movie I ever got thrown out of was The Siege when I was 14 or 15.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 05-13-2003 04:10:32 PM
The original was also R

and i was under the impresion the age to see an R movie alone was 17,a ge to buy tickets was 21


heh, wehn me and my frined went ot see better luck tomorrow they asked for id form us, he showed them his schol id, sign sad you ahd to be over 17, they where abotu to sell himt he tickets but i didnt have any id and even thoguh they didnt mind letting someone wiht valid id whos too young in they wouldnt lewt him buy me tickets unless he was over 2 O_o


Regret calamities if you can thereby help the sufferer; if not, attend to your own work and allready the evil begins to be repaired
- Self Rreliance
Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 05-13-2003 04:13:41 PM
The movie theaters couldn't care less if a 5 year old was in a R rated movie, what they want mostly with ticket buying is for a parent or guardian to buy the ticket for underage peeps. That way the burden of exposing young ones to violence/sex/foul language/etc is off the theater's shoulders and on the parents ;P
Cookie Goddess Supreme
Furry Kitsune of Power!
Pouncer of the 12th degree!
"Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
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Skaw
posted 05-13-2003 04:18:53 PM
I thought R was 17+, and NC-17 was 18+
Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 05-13-2003 04:19:07 PM
Oh yeah, they really care here

Back when I wasn't 18 or older, I would rent a movie or show them my ticket for something 'R'...

"Are you 18?"
"Nope"
"..."
"..."
"OK, go in/here you go"

I always wondered just what magical event happens on your 18th birthday that prevents movies like the Matrix from warping your fragile little mind

Genericgirl
Generictitle
posted 05-13-2003 04:33:18 PM
quote:
So quoth Vorago:
Oh yeah, they really care here

Back when I wasn't 18 or older, I would rent a movie or show them my ticket for something 'R'...

"Are you 18?"
"Nope"
"..."
"..."
"OK, go in/here you go"

I always wondered just what magical event happens on your 18th birthday that prevents movies like the Matrix from warping your fragile little mind


Nothing changes except that at 18 you are responcible for yourself, not your parents, not the theatre. I think if you have a note from your mommy they will let you in? Call ahead and ask. What ya got to lose?

Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 05-13-2003 04:55:02 PM
quote:
So quoth Skaw:
I thought R was 17+, and NC-17 was 18+

nc 17 s you MUST be above 18 to go, R is jsut you need someone over 18 to take you


Regret calamities if you can thereby help the sufferer; if not, attend to your own work and allready the evil begins to be repaired
- Self Rreliance
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 05-13-2003 04:56:15 PM
Well, easiest way I know to go solo when your not 17 or older is to just buy a ticket to a different movie and walk into the one you want to go to.
(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 05-13-2003 04:58:40 PM
I bought tickets to R movies when I was 14. They gave me more trouble about PG-13 movies when I was 13.
Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 05-13-2003 05:19:44 PM
It's 17 to get in or buy tickets without an adult for R-rated.

NC-17 means you need to be 17 to get in, no exceptions.

Simple as pie.

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Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-13-2003 05:42:27 PM
Ratings primarily aren't enforced because of lines. Think of it. It's Friday night, you're number 18 in a line of people 30 deep, and at the front there's some kid creating an uproar because the cashier won't give him a ticket for Blood and Guts IX: Decapi-Nation or whatever.

If it went on for more than a minute, you'd probably go to another theater, right?

Businesses like money, and to make money they have to keep customers happy, and in this case, keeping customers happy means getting them into theater on time.

The only way ratings could be realistically enforced would be with a new medium for selling tickets.

As for the "what happens when I turn 18?" thing, it's obviously nothing. But the guidelines couldn't just say, "NC-W: Suitable for whenever you feel you're mature enough to be unfazed by violence, coarse language, and sexual content." There has to be something a little more tangible.
Bear in mind, ratings are primarily in place to help parents judge which movies they'll let their kids see.

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 05-13-2003 05:46:44 PM
And for proof that it's 17, not 18...
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Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 05-13-2003 05:49:48 PM
On another note, Tatsukaze's parents have proved themselves to be even MORE evil than they were.

This revelation brought to you by the MPAA and parents who take it too seriously.

Matilda Jane
ph33r my MIRVs
posted 05-13-2003 06:01:33 PM
quote:
Sentow, Maybe had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Bear in mind, ratings are primarily in place to help parents judge which movies they'll let their kids see.

They're silly and outdated.

There was a signature here... it's gone now.
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 05-13-2003 06:02:31 PM
quote:
Terena Azal had this to say about (_|_):
They're silly and outdated.

There's no reason why a 14 year old shouldn't be able to see ANYTHING that constitutes a "R" movie.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 05-13-2003 06:02:48 PM
quote:
Kegwen had this to say about Duck Tales:
On another note, Tatsukaze's parents have proved themselves to be even MORE evil than they were.

This revelation brought to you by the MPAA and parents who take it too seriously.


God forbid his parents actually look out for him and keep track of what he does. Parents that DONT do that are gonna get stuff like R rated movies and M rated games banned completely.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 05-13-2003 06:03:21 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr's fortune cookie read:
God forbid his parents actually look out for him and keep track of what he does. Parents that DONT do that are gonna get stuff like R rated movies and M rated games banned completely.

No, it's those same parents that WANT them to be banned completely.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 05-13-2003 06:03:51 PM
quote:
Kegwen had this to say about (_|_):
No, it's those same parents that WANT them to be banned completely.

Well, that part is bad. but not letting their kid see them isnt

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 05-13-2003 06:04:55 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Falaanla Marr:
Well, that part is bad. but not letting their kid see them isnt

quote:
ACES! Another post by Kegwen:
There's no reason why a 14 year old shouldn't be able to see ANYTHING that constitutes a "R" movie.

edit: (this should be implied, but in case someone decides to take offense) everything I say in this thread is my opinion.

edit #2: Wait, wait, I'm sorry. If a 14 year old has been sheltered and home schooled all his life and is the equivalent of a 9 year old as far as maturity and has a warped view of reality, then they should not be allowed to see a R movie. It might kill them.

Aside from that special exception (that shouldn't exist anyway, as it generally ends up making your life worse in the long run), I stand by my statement.

[ 05-13-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]

Steven Steve
posted 05-13-2003 06:05:43 PM
FUCK
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Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 05-13-2003 06:27:09 PM
I would like to go back on a bit of what I said.

The "R" rating is too broad. The Matrix is not on the same level as many R movies. Almost Famous shouldn't be "R", really, but because it is, parents think it is on the same level as some hyperoffensive and/or hyperdisgusting/scary/whathaveyou film.

That is not fair. At all. The rating system, as Terena said, is outdated. It definately needs a revamp, at least.

Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 05-13-2003 06:59:31 PM
The rating system has been getting revamped constantly over the years. And similarly, "acceptable content" has become a much broader term. When Gone With the Wind was released, for example, there was a huge uproar over the inclusion of, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." Such language! Nowadays, Joe Pesci's dialogue raises nary an eyebrow amongst the audience or the MPAA.

Admittedly, what constitutes an R movie is currently pretty broad. Matrix most likely got it on account of the sheer amount and intensity of violence, not because any one scene was very gory. In Tatsukaze's case (he's 15ish, right?), I personally would let him go see it "unsupervised." God knows it was tamer than the Wachowski Bros. previous movie, Bound (great flick, but it deserves the NC-17 rating big time).

And before I go:

quote:
No, it's those same parents that WANT them to be banned completely.

To be frank, no. The ineptitude of a parent is directly proportional to how likely they are to blame outside influence for their child's bad behavior.

EDIT: Full blown "do overs" of the MPAA are proposed occassionally, but no equitable solution has been put into action. A new rating level would start infringing on the system's simplicity (ironic, since not everyone knows what R or NC-17 constitutes), but the gap between PG-13 and R is pretty broad.

I'd like to see an R subcategories, like R1 and R2. R1 would be suitable for "movies with frequent or intense violence and coarse language" (Matrix), while R2 would represent "movies with graphic violence, nudity, blah blah blah" (Predator, Total Recall).

[ 05-13-2003: Message edited by: Sentow, Maybe ]

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 05-13-2003 07:09:05 PM
I thint keh distincition between pg13/R/nc17 and i think isntead t should be based on movie content isntead of age rateign(forgot what medium they do it in, but it seemed liek a good idea), to put osmehtign like Clerks, random gorefest 2k, and trainspotting seems kida silly, while they both mgith require a certain level of maturity, its all for compeltly diferent reasons and what one parent objects to another might not

Regret calamities if you can thereby help the sufferer; if not, attend to your own work and allready the evil begins to be repaired
- Self Rreliance
Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 05-13-2003 07:26:34 PM
NC-17 is so rare that most (read:98%) movies at big theatres will be R at most. MPAA puts a description on every rating, ie The Matrix is rated R for sci-fi violence and brief language (wtf ever brief language is happens to be beyond me). If parents want their children to see a movie with sci-fi violence, brief language, brief nudity, etc, they are free to take their 13+ children.

If it's NC-17, children SHOULD NOT see it, anyway. NC-17s have to be complete sexfests or bloodbaths. If a parent wants their child seeing that, they should at least keep it within the house.

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Kirane
Pancake
posted 05-13-2003 08:06:33 PM
quote:
Kirane had this to say about Robocop:
They check ID twice in a local AMC here! When you but the ticket, and when you are entering the theater!

Good thing I'm 16.


Wow I'm retarded. I'm 17. I guess I was trying to say over 16.

Kinanik
Upset about being titless
posted 05-13-2003 08:11:06 PM
You have to be 17 to get into an R movie.
I get carded twice going in.
Gully Foyle is my name
And Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
The stars my destination
Kinanik
Upset about being titless
posted 05-13-2003 08:11:06 PM
LALALALALALALALA
*I CANT HEAR YOU*

[ 05-13-2003: Message edited by: Kinanik ]

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The stars my destination
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 05-13-2003 08:13:30 PM
If someone tried to card me while buying a ticket to ANY R rated movie, I'd flip them off, show them my wonderful ID (Ooh, it's even flipout, like FBI agents or something) and tell them to give me my fucking ticket, because I want to see naked people being chopped in half.

It's a guideline. And that's ALL it should be, save for the NC-17 rating.

If a kid is independant enough to ride his bike or whatever down to the theater, and have enough pocket change/allowance stashed away for the ticket, let the little fucker see it. He is obviously more together then most parents these days.

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