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Topic: A couple Necro spell updates for those who care.
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 10-11-2002 01:52:24 PM
Name: Neurotoxin
Level: 61
Mana: 465
Class: Alteration
Era: Planes of Power
Vendor(s): Unknown
Approx Spell Cost: Unknown
Researchable: No
Type: Poison Based Single Target Direct Damage
Max Duration: Instant
Casting Time: 6 seconds
Recast Time: 4 seconds
Actual Effects: Target: Direct Damage (1250-1260)
Description: This is a single target poison based direct damage spell.
It is generally not resisted often due to it's poison check and can hit for a good amount of damage (even more with the right AA abilities and focus items).

Finally an upgrade to Acid blast!!!.. Not the greatest nuke but nice to have something none the less.

Name: Saryns Kiss
Level: 62
Mana: 550
Class: Alteration
Era: Planes of Power
Vendor(s): Unknown
Approx Spell Cost: Unknown
Researchable: No
Type: Magic Based Single Target Damage Over Time
Max Duration: 1 minute
Casting Time: 6 seconds
Recast Time: Instant
Actual Effects: Target: Damage over Time (1850 - 1910)
Description: This is a short to medium duration damage over time spell.
The spell delivers up to 191 damage per tick for 10 ticks (60 seconds).

Not bad really. But I was hoping to break the 2k barrier on all our new spells.. Oh well.

Name: Embracing Darkness
Level: 63
Mana: 200
Class: Conjuration
Era: Planes of Power
Vendor(s): Unknown
Approx Spell Cost: Unknown
Researchable: No
Type: Magic Based Single Target Damage Over Time
Max Duration: 1 minute 30 seconds
Casting Time: 3.2 seconds
Recast Time: Instant
Actual Effects: Target: Damage Over Time (1360)
Target: Decrease Movement Speed (73%)

Doesn't look much better than cascading till you look at the casting time. We wanted it. Now we have it.


Name: Touch of Mujaki
Level: 61
Mana: 450
Class: Alteration
Era: Planes of Power
Vendor(s): Unknown
Approx Spell Cost: Unknown
Researchable: No
Type: Single Target Direct Damage Lifetap
Max Duration: Instant
Casting Time: 3.2 seconds
Recast Time: 5 seconds
Actual Effects: Target: Direct Damage (810)
Self: Gain Hitpoints (810)
Description: This is a single target magic based lifetap spell.


Very nice Lifetap. Slightly long recast time but great for emergencies. Now if we just had the old resist level back.


Name: Blood of Thule
Level: 61
Mana: 500
Class: Conjuration
Era: Planes of Power
Vendor(s): Unknown
Approx Spell Cost: Unknown
Researchable: No
Type: Poison Based Single Target Damage Over Time
Max Duration: 42 seconds
Casting Time: 5 seconds
Recast Time: Instant
Actual Effects: Target: Damage Over Time (2163 - 2275)
Description: This spell is a powerful Damage Over Time spell.
It has a low chance of being resisted on many mobs due to its poison check.

The spell delivers 325 damage every tick for 7 ticks

VERY NICE. only a 4/1 ratio but I can live with that for 2200 damage in 42 seconds. Our manapool is probably going ot go through the roof anyway with PoP.


Name: Dark Plague
Level: 65
Mana: 425
Class: Conjuration
Era: Planes of Power
Vendor(s): Unknown
Approx Spell Cost: Unknown
Researchable: No
Type: Disease Based Single Target Damage Over Time
Max Duration: 2 minutes
Casting Time: 5 seconds
Recast Time: Instant
Actual Effects: Target: Damage Over Time (2420 - 2620)
Description: This is a long duration disease based Damage over Time spell which deals up to 2620 damage over a 2 minute period.
This spell is more useful for NPC's with large hitpoints and generates less aggro than the Blood of Thule spell.

It's disease resistance check makes it rarely resisted.

Umm pardon me while I change my underclothes. Very nice spell. SLighly long duration but for the ammount of damamge it is doing I don't care. Stack this with Funeral pyre and Blood of thule and well... Ouch.


I am overall very happy with this round of changes to the Necro spell list. Our Lich has also been upgraded to 62/50 on the health to mana conversion. Our pet buff has improved slightly and I don't feel I can comment on the pets themselves till we see them in action.

On that note does anyone know who Saryn is? There are a lot of spells with that name in them but I am not familiar with it...

Oh well.. Another thing that deserves note. Enchanters get Illusion Froglok...
And mages get to summon a new fishing pole. =\ However I did see where they get to summon an Item that casts gate. That is pretty cool in my opinion.

[ 10-11-2002: Message edited by: Azizza ]

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-11-2002 01:56:02 PM
Cue MaraWhine™ in five.. four.. three

No seriously.. It's good to see they're getting upgrades like this. They've deserved it for a bit.

Skaw
posted 10-11-2002 01:56:33 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Azizza stammered:
On that note does anyone know who Saryn is? There are a lot of spells with that name in them but I am not familiar with it...

The mistress of Torment and Pain!

Born a woman of striking beauty, she now rules the Demi-Plane of Pain, a hot, damp and uncomfortable place with no flat surfaces on which to walk. Instead the ground is cluttered with small, closely placed, stalagmites of smooth obsidian. Saryrn busies herself by spending personal time with those cursed enough to live in her realm. She captures and torments her subjects mentally and physically and completely at random. The length of their torment before she releases them again, is also completely random - based mainly upon her whims. Those who fall into her hands may suffer but a few moments or for months at a time. All live with the fear that at any time, she may choose them as a partner.

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 10-11-2002 01:58:03 PM
Don't forget Enchanters' Illusion Froglok at level sixty-five.
"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-11-2002 01:59:05 PM
quote:
D had this to say about Cuba:
Don't forget Enchanters' Illusion Froglok at level sixty-five.

If they put it that high, I'd have to guess that it would make you basically nonKoS to 90% of mobs.

Walk around Seb with impunity!

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 10-11-2002 01:59:06 PM
Thanks Skaw
"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Skaw
posted 10-11-2002 02:02:46 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
If they put it that high, I'd have to guess that it would make you basically nonKoS to 90% of mobs.

Walk around Seb with impunity!


Well, since 90% of the end gmae enchanter base has hunted in Seb, and fought frogloks in TT for their key to seb, I highly doubt that. And I'm not KoS to Live Guk anyway.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-11-2002 02:05:10 PM
quote:
Skaw said this about your mom:
Well, since 90% of the end gmae enchanter base has hunted in Seb, and fought frogloks in TT for their key to seb, I highly doubt that. And I'm not KoS to Live Guk anyway.

Illusions > Faction in most cases, from what I've noticed.

Maybe there'll be a frog plane, though.

Skaw
posted 10-11-2002 02:10:39 PM
quote:
Verily, Delphi Aegis doth proclaim:
Illusions > Faction in most cases, from what I've noticed.

Maybe there'll be a frog plane, though.


No, They help. Some more than others. I'm still KoS to Clerics/Paladins/Rangers/Druids in Gfay and Felwite, even as a wood elf and high elf.

Mod
Pancake
posted 10-11-2002 02:12:50 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about pies:
Illusions > Faction in most cases, from what I've noticed.

Maybe there'll be a frog plane, though.


Faction = Racial modifier + faction modifier + religion modifier.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-11-2002 02:18:26 PM
Neurotoxin fucking pisses me off.

At level 65, it does the SAME AMOUNT OF DAMAGE as the level 65 mage nuke.

For all of 65 more mana...which is near meaningless to necros who will regenerate that in one fucking tick.

You all have your DoTs...and now you can nuke as well as mages.

Wheeeeeeeeeee

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 10-11-2002 02:23:02 PM
So will FPoK, Saryns Kiss/Embracing Darkness, Blood of Thule and Dark Plague all stack together?
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Suddar
posted 10-11-2002 02:23:20 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr probably says this to all the girls:
Neurotoxin fucking pisses me off.

At level 65, it does the SAME AMOUNT OF DAMAGE as the level 65 mage nuke.

For all of 65 more mana...which is near meaningless to necros who will regenerate that in one fucking tick.

You all have your DoTs...and now you can nuke as well as mages.

Wheeeeeeeeeee


what about the cast/recast time?

like, it looks pretty bad on that spell, or is that normal?

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 10-11-2002 02:29:08 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by hard technology rock:
what about the cast/recast time?

like, it looks pretty bad on that spell, or is that normal?


Sun Vortex costs 400 mana, does 1300dmg, takes 6 seconds to cast and has an instant recast time.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 10-11-2002 02:34:45 PM
quote:
JooJooFlop had this to say about Pirotess:
So will FPoK, Saryns Kiss/Embracing Darkness, Blood of Thule and Dark Plague all stack together?

Unless they have an affect that isn't listed here and will cause problems then yes they will. They are all from seperate spell lines and are upgrades to spells that currently stack as far as I can tell.. I don't even have the heart to add up the DPS that all that would cause over the course of a battle.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 10-11-2002 02:37:02 PM
quote:
hard technology rock got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
what about the cast/recast time?

like, it looks pretty bad on that spell, or is that normal?


For a necro generaly yes it is. Our DDs are meant as a latst ditch kind of thing by this level. Our main damage is our DOTs and pet. This is more for when the mob is near death and the pet is getting tooled down bad. Our current nukes have longer casting time I believe and do half the damage.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 10-11-2002 02:38:50 PM
quote:
Falaanla Marr had this to say about Pirotess:
Neurotoxin fucking pisses me off.

At level 65, it does the SAME AMOUNT OF DAMAGE as the level 65 mage nuke.

For all of 65 more mana...which is near meaningless to necros who will regenerate that in one fucking tick.

You all have your DoTs...and now you can nuke as well as mages.

Wheeeeeeeeeee


Funny isn't it, VI takes away Mage utility under the premise that mages are good for nuking, yet plan to give other classes nukes equivilent or greater then mages?

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Tier
posted 10-11-2002 03:09:32 PM
quote:
Reynar thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Funny isn't it, VI takes away Mage utility under the premise that mages are good for nuking, yet plan to give other classes nukes equivilent or greater then mages?

3... 2.... 1... BEND OVER!

Evil
Pancake
posted 10-11-2002 04:48:54 PM
quote:
D spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Don't forget Enchanters' Illusion Froglok at level sixty-five.

Illusion Froglok?!?!?

. . . anyone want to PL me a bit?

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-11-2002 09:27:40 PM
quote:
Reynar had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Funny isn't it, VI takes away Mage utility under the premise that mages are good for nuking, yet plan to give other classes nukes equivilent or greater then mages?

Oh, but mages are respectable damage dealers! Oh yes!

And, normally I wouldnt have a beef with this spell. But...It beats the heck out of anything we get UNTIL 65. And at 65, our spell is BARELY better at all. the difference being 4 seconds of recast time, and 65 mana. The mana making no difference to a necro.

Necro pets have been creeping up on mage pets in power. It used to be a wide margin that mage pets were over necro pets. our DDs used to be vastly better than anyone but a wizard. Our nukes were about 80% of a wizard's power.

Now Wizards nukes more than double our nukes for damage. Druids and necros have better nukes than us. Necro pets will likely continue to creep up on mage pets.

Necros still excel when it comes to DoTs. They get highly unresistable lifetaps. They get skin spells. They get root. They get more efficient and bigger and cheaper pet heals. They get the lich line for mana regen.

Mages get pets that for NOW beat out necro pets. Our nukes beat out a necro UNTIL PoP. And...thats it. We give up EVERYTHING else to have the nukes and pets. We give that all up to be an offensive powerhouse.

Well, now necros who can do far more are closing in and surpassing us in power. Druids who have much more utility than a mage are closing in and surpassing us.

Our ONLY saving grace, Trans Rods, are gone. They were our mana regen. They were what made us needed on raids.

I hope you understand why I am unhappy.

(Note -- Reynar, only the first sentence was in reply to you. The rest was a general rant

Dr Cysa
Angsty Mcangst
posted 10-11-2002 09:33:31 PM
Fal the Necros got Tweaked past the wizards(slightly). Don't argue with it.

(ill)humor disclaimor

I don't discriminate...I hate everyone.
Maradon!
posted 10-11-2002 11:15:38 PM
*lower lip quivers*

*a single tear of joy drifts down his cheek*

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 10-11-2002 11:19:08 PM
Is the Marawhine dead?

Is this the rise of the Falawhine?

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Maradon!
posted 10-11-2002 11:25:05 PM
quote:
JooJooFlop wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Is the Marawhine dead?

If these changes go through, yup.

How long have I been saying all I wanted was another good 1 minute DoT in endgame and a faster casting darkness?

Now I get what I ask for and MORE? It's like they heard me!

Maybe they finally listened to all the hate letters I've sent over the past three years.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 10-12-2002 12:01:54 AM
Fala...buddy....calm down. they'll fix magicians soon enough.
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Maradon!
posted 10-12-2002 12:06:06 AM
I actually agree with a lot of the things Fal is saying.

I've always thought mages caught the short end of one stick or another.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 10-12-2002 12:16:44 AM
No! NO NO NO you do not get to give up Necrowhine in favor of Magewhine! Leave it to Fala. Besides, I'm a magician, only like half of Fala's level, and I know things are going to suck when I level up, but I'm willing to give VI the benefit of the doubt.
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 10-12-2002 12:18:10 AM
I'd love to start a WizardWhine or a Pallywhine, but shit.. Neither of those classes has anything to whine about!

Woe is me.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-12-2002 01:34:19 AM
Oh no, I'll only bitch on rare occasions.

And Deth. *kick*

I don't have confidence right now. Im sorry, but Verant sees us as respectable damage dealers, or so they say.

YEt they take away one of our tools that massively increased our DPS (Its true. Many studies from log parses pre mod rod nerf and using the stats and such of the nerf rod as of the next patch...we lose 10-40 DPS.)

Im not the only mad mage. And I'm quite civil. Click the MAge Tower link in my sig, get a load of some of the mages. My god.

Mages have given Verant benefit of the doubt before. Took em about 2 years to fix alot of problems for us.

Necros tried to give verant benefit of the doubt, they are JUST NOW tossing them a bone.

By my estimates, mages will see something finally around 2004.

Of course, before then our epic pet will see 2-3 nerfs, and all it will do is hold our beer so we dont spill it while fishing.

[ 10-12-2002: Message edited by: Falaanla Marr ]

Skaw
posted 10-12-2002 01:36:30 AM
Ahh, gotta love how enchanters get the same boring line up.

a new illusion, dd, dot, charm, mezes, trade skill stuff.

Nothing really special..

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-12-2002 01:39:18 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Skaw wrote:
Ahh, gotta love how enchanters get the same boring line up.

a new illusion, dd, dot, charm, mezes, trade skill stuff.

Nothing really special..



Dont forget! At level 63 you get the DD that is superior to the mage DD!

But...hell. I'm havin fun with DAOC.

[ 10-12-2002: Message edited by: Falaanla Marr ]

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Pancake
posted 10-12-2002 01:40:53 AM
Pfft, wizards are supposed to be the biggest damage dealers, and they still kinda suck for that.
I <3 Steel Battalion!
Skaw
posted 10-12-2002 01:41:27 AM
quote:
Falaanla Marr had this to say about Cuba:

Dont forget! At level 63 you get the DD that is superior to the mage DD!

Erf. 64, 1100 dmg, 300 mana.

Balanced by its cast time and recast time though, you'll be able to get 2 of your nukes off during that 1.

Not to mention. Enc DDs will partially resist

And don't forget even with Tash, Magic Resistance is still one of the highest mob resistances in game, which means either the spell will rarely see its max damage, or won't even be bothered with casting unless the enchanter is farming. The most common scenario will be the 2nd.

[ 10-12-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]

Loyalist Gerard
56K oughta be enough for anybody!
posted 10-12-2002 01:45:32 AM
Is it time for me to whine about how my Monk can no longer go in a 2 person party killing level 20+'s? Or should I try not to be lynched?
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 10-12-2002 01:47:37 AM
quote:
Loyalist Gerard said this about your mom:
Is it time for me to whine about how my Monk can no longer go in a 2 person party killing level 20+'s? Or should I try not to be lynched?
Nobody cares about Iksar Monks.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 10-12-2002 10:30:36 AM
quote:
Maradon XP had this to say:
I've always thought mages caught the short end of one stick or another.

Not to worry!

At level 65, they get "Summon Superior Whine". This stacks with all lesser whines, and increases the length of their stick. It also automatically spreads to other nearby classes.

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 10-12-2002 12:49:29 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Mr Mort said this:
Not to worry!

At level 65, they get "Summon Superior Whine". This stacks with all lesser whines, and increases the length of their stick. It also automatically spreads to other nearby classes.


Bite me mort

Hey, I get to summon the Rainbow Dildo as my epic weapon. So I guess I win, eh?

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