His drops? Well, since there is no legit way to get to him (quest is broken atm), this is what he dropped for the killers:
Necromancer: How DARE you imply that I was involved in a rude act with my undead servant! I will flay the flesh from your bones! I will summon a thousand maggot-ridden corpses to gnaw your flesh! I will trap your soul in-
Ghoul: My ass hurts.
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Black Mage had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I'm too damn lazy to check. Blame Karnaj.
http://pub42.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm1.showMessage?topicID=1560.topicHis drops? Well, since there is no legit way to get to him (quest is broken atm), this is what he dropped for the killers:
So everything he has dropped is useless, huh?
Actually, people say what he dropped used to be legit, then Verant changed it...
/shrug
Ok the scoop on this, the guild Eternal Wrath did indeed kill Seru, but they didn't do it the "correct" way and therefore got crap for loot. Seru is immune to melee damage, what happens is there is a series of quests, which is currently broken, that you complete that supposedly draws him out to kill. This is the version that you end up killing that will likely drop the phat lewtz.
This isn't the first time he's been killed either, and it's likely EW used the same exploit others have used to kill him.
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We were all impressed when Black Mage wrote:
Think Verant's trying to tell them something? [ 01-15-2002: Message edited by: Kagrama ]
quote:You know what you did.
Karnaj had this to say about dark elf butts:
What'd I do?!
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Kagrama had this to say about pies:
Think Verant's trying to tell them something?
Yes.
Think they will listen?
No.
If it is an "exploit" to GFlux to the roof and drop down the hole to get into his room, VERANT is the one responsible to PREVENT the exploit, not the players.
If the hole isn't meant to be used for egress, it shouldn't be accessible.
People will cheat, it is that simple. VI has put something in place that is not yet accessible to players who follow the rules.
They knew that if anyone got in and killed him it would be through cheating. So they gave the guy these items till the change is made. Hell I bet the sleeper has a couple rusty daggers as loot right now.
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Kanid wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
If it is an "exploit" to GFlux to the roof and drop down the hole to get into his room, VERANT is the one responsible to PREVENT the exploit, not the players.
I think Verant did a good job if preventing the exploit.
Think anyone else is going to do it before the quest is finished, now that his loot is known? 
There is an open ENTRANCE to the room, through the roof. Without reading Verant's mind, how am I, the average player, supposed to know that I wasn't meant to climb up the wall and drop down in there if it is easily and entirely possible to do so?
If I was not supposed to enter the room in this manner, and Verant KNEW that players would enter this way (which is shown by the loot dropped) Verant should have blocked access to this entrance.
If you don't want me using the back door, don't leave it open.
Who's Seru and were is he? What does he look like?
You are trying to justify cheating. Give it up.
In an encounter like this, Verant should have looked at every possiblity. Instead they did something cheap like that. It is THEIR fault there was a hole in the roof, not ours. That use of GFlux has been around for a LONG LONG time. No excuse on Verant's part, that is just a cheap shot because the players beat them.
Exactly.
Defending what they did is like defending WAREZ. Sure you can do it, but that doesn't make it any more right or legal.
Verant knew this would happen, which is exactly why they made the loot like they did. If they REALLY didn't want people doing it, they could have blocked it.
They specifically WANTED people to go in that way, spend 45 minutes killing him, only to get the crap loot so they could pat themselves on the back and say "Aren't we smart"
A kludge is not smart. If they really didn't want players entering that way, they would have prevented it in the first place.
Really though, logic dictates that you would be able to go over the wall with Grav-Flux...
Verant should have just patched the hole in the ceiling and kept the loot on Lord Seru... it can't be that hard to insert the same inviso-bubble around his roof as they have around the black nexus goo (which Dens, I think, was talking about, I've tried to get over that bubble also, heh).
"Hey you!! *points* Yeah you, the idiot who always tries to bend the rules and do think you know you should not.. *smack* Stop it and play nice with the other kids"
As was mentioned above. The names of the items are a not so subtle hint.
Look at it this was as well. If I lock my front door but leave my backdoor unlocked does this give you the right to come in and take anything? Nope!
If players are killing something that wasn't meant to be killed yet... then why the hell are they complaining that he's not dropping wonderful stuff?
Thought so.
If it was MEANT to be killed and drops crap, I could understand it. But he's not meant to be killed and players are doing it anyways. They're not getting rewarded for it. This seems to be fair and appropriate.
I fail to see the problem.
quote:But who's fault is it ultimatly?
Khyron had this to say about pies:
BM. If the players find a way to kill something not meant to be killed, why are they complaining that he isn't dropping uber loot yet?If it was MEANT to be killed and drops crap, I could understand it. But he's not meant to be killed and players are doing it anyways. They're not getting rewarded for it. This seems to be fair and appropriate.
I fail to see the problem.
The whole point of the game is to kill. So what do players do naturally when they find the next hardest/best thing? Attempt to kill it. Is this not obvious to Verant?
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Azizza had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Look at it this was as well. If I lock my front door but leave my backdoor unlocked does this give you the right to come in and take anything? Nope!
If you designed your house to be entered by people for their enjoyment, and they PAY you to use it, and they come through the back door instead of the front door, I fail to see how it is THEIR fault that you didn't close/block off/lock the back door.
And how exactly are players supposed to know that he isn't "meant" to be killed yet? Isn't that the whole point of having mobs in EverQuest?
Or are you saying the zone is not finished yet the same way the Sleeper's Tomb was not finished, and we'll just punish the players for playing the game instead of finishing it...
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Azizza had this to say about Cuba:
Look at it this was as well. If I lock my front door but leave my backdoor unlocked does this give you the right to come in and take anything? Nope!
Actually, Seru is a guy who's meant to be killed, people know they should kill him... so think of it this way...
Imagine Osama bin Laden sitting in a large open courtyard with locked gates and barricaded doors... Do you think Special Forces/Northern Alliance/Any American with a gun is going to NOT climb over the courtyard's wall and kill Osama bin Laden because obviously, the architect intended for people to enter through the doors?
So kill him all you want, but don't bitch that you're not getting what you think you should be. =P
quote:That's obvious, but that's not the problem.
Khyron stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
My point is this : Verant isn't stopping people from killing him, that much is obvious. They stopped the roof exploit, but they're allowing people into the room to kill him. However, because he isn't 'meant' to be killed, they're simply making his drops crap until a legitimate way to kill him is implimented.So kill him all you want, but don't bitch that you're not getting what you think you should be. =P
The problem is, this is Verant's fault. But they won't ever fess up to it, so they make all this little workarounds which harm players in the Process. I heard that the loot used to be 100% legit items, THEN they nerfed it. It was a 45 min fight... So all that time and effort, wasn't completely because of a hole in the cealing that's VERANTS fault, but someone ends up being the players for finding and using it.
