Okay...So I saw "Planet of the Apes".

It was good. They updated a few things for the benefit of an older, perhaps more mature audience. They gave an origin as to how the Apes got where they are as a society, and as a fully sapient race.

In fact I didn't have any gripes about the movie at all until, at the very end when Davidson (main character) goes back in time through the time hole/worm hole he rode through...Crash lands on 2001 Earth...and for no reason at all, it's populated by the Apes rather than the humans. This irritates me, because they went out of their way to point out 1. the Planet of the Apes was not, in fact, Earth and 2. It was thousands of years in the future, not thousands of years in the past. So after having a solid movie, they crap things up in the last five minutes. Talk about a mistake. I heard rumors they might like to do sequels. Man...I was kinda jazzed at the idea...now I hope they don't.

?? I don't get it...when he comes to 2001 earth..there is still the monky's?...

/shrug-ness

Cool, now I'm a movie star!

Yes. The ending has about a bajillion unrelations to the rest of the movie. The planet he lands on is mostly solid rock; very few landmasses (condusive to the Apes, because the Apes can't swim...their muscles are too dense and they sink like rocks), it has at LEAST three moons, and he got to it by launching from an orbiting station around Saturn.

Planet at the end of the movie: Earth as we know it, familiar landmasses, one moon, he crashes into the LINCOLN MONUMENT except it's a monkey (the villain of the film, Thade) sitting on the chair, not Lincoln, and about a hundred apes in police cars, helicopters, etc swarm in on him.

So how did the Apes get to Earth? I'm telling you...damn ending screwed up the entire movie. It even ruins the possibility of it being a parallel universe.

Ja'Deth, can you write out something spoiler free so I can read it without worry of finding something that could ruin it for me? =P I'm probably going to see the movie tonight, and I was hoping for an idea of what to expect, and you seem like the guy to ask.

could it be that the phenomenon that changed him through time might not also have been used to change the dimension? I know it's a long shot, but it's possible, I mean, if you are going to say it changes time, it could change other things as well.

Hmm...maybe instead of (as in the old version) them going into the FUTURE where apes rule...in this new one did they possibly go into..THE PAST?! (dun dun duuuuh) and change something and alter the future?...(ponders)

hmm-ness

PotA was a neat movie.

Its also not particularly paradoxical. Clearly, a wormhole can transport you in space as well as time, and only the side we /saw/ of the PotA was more full of land. There's plenty of theories that the continents were orgininally joined. The planet was consistently shown to be the same size as earth in various screen shots.

Just because his chronometer sped forward doesn't at all mean that it was reaction properly to the wormhole. They're tech had never seen such a thing before!

Only real paradox is where did the space station come from if that timeline never existed?

I love the end, because it changed the film from an action/heartsob flick to a commentary on the human condition. Those in power abuse/exterminate those who aren't. One event in the history of a people will not change their basic nature and instincts. The apes were about nothing if not basic human nature.

It also leaves the protaganist wondering if he'd stayed in the past, could he have prevented the current state of things? If he'd finished the job, would humans still exist as a sentient race?

Just a nitpick, he came back in 2029.

Now maybe my interpretation was wrong, but that's the way the movie played to me and I loved it.

[ 07-27-2001: Message edited by: Hireko ]