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Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 06-27-2001 10:29:00 PM
I got a 1.4GHz Thunderbird and I'm running it at 1.6GHz stabily and within normal operational parameters. BYOB...bring your own BOOYAH! Sorry...I just had to say it. I'm rather excited.
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Bealzabuv
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posted 06-27-2001 10:33:00 PM
I run my p-3 800/100 at 1.3GHZ/160 I have 568mb of ram and 2 75GB IMB ata 100's running on a Raid 0 array, With my Hercules 3d prophet II (Geforce 2 ultra) I feel special. AMD blows dude. I'm sorry, they're cheap for a reason.
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Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 06-27-2001 10:40:00 PM
AMD blows? I can get 75% of this board to have you strickin down for that!

AMD r0xx0rz Intel...

It's more stable, easier to overclock, and has better benchmarks. Intel is more expensive for a reason. It's name brand, like Ambercrombie and Fitch.

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Pancake
posted 06-27-2001 10:47:00 PM
Lets look at a few things... A. Intel uses better materials in the manufacturing which ALLOW for HIGHER overclocking ability. B. Eh... wrong Intel's benchmark a ton higher... don't know where you're pulling that from... Basically what all reviewers say is Value-AMD actual quality-INTEL When you crank up your 800 athlon to 1.5GHZ and don't fry it Then i may begin to believe you... AMD processors have a history of frying like a mofo and also they wear out much quicker when overclocked... heck just in regular use they have a shorter lifespan.
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Kekvit Irae
Pancake
posted 06-27-2001 10:52:00 PM
*wants to crank her PIII 700 higher, but doesnt know how to overclock*

[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: KaeniaIrae ]

Bealzabuv
Pancake
posted 06-27-2001 10:56:00 PM
Depends on when you got it... And if have Sweet sweet abit jumperless motherboard or not, If your proc is locked you're screwed if you have jumperless but if you have real jumpers and your proc is locked there's a series of proceedures you can do to bypass the lock.
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Maradon!
posted 06-27-2001 11:03:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Bealzabuv:
I run my p-3 800/100 at 1.3GHZ/160 I have 568mb of ram and 2 75GB IMB ata 100's running on a Raid 0 array, With my Hercules 3d prophet II (Geforce 2 ultra) I feel special. AMD blows dude. I'm sorry, they're cheap for a reason.

Sorry bud, Intel is garbage. No self respecting wirehead even regards them as an option.

read here and here for the specifics.

A 1.5 Ghz Pentium 4 will benchamark slower than a 800Mhz Pentium 3.

[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: Maradon? ]

Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 06-27-2001 11:05:00 PM
Pull your head out of your ass everywhere you read Athlons are much better benchmarked high-end. My 1.4GHz OC'ed to 1.6 benchmarks better than a P4 1.6GHz. Also, many overclocking sites solely show the Athlon. Theres no needed series of bypasses, just a quick BIOS change and you have instant speed change. Longer life span? That doesnt really matter for most, as you usually replace a CPU once every 2 years, and it takes a moron to kill off a CPU that quickly.
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Maradon!
posted 06-27-2001 11:07:00 PM
There's a reason why Pentium 4's come with a titanic exhaust fan: Because they're essentially overclocked Pentium 2's.

And no, Intel uses no different or higher quality "meterials" in thier processor construction, and the line about longer CPU life seems to have been pulled directly from your sphincter.

Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 06-27-2001 11:08:00 PM
Alright Maradon...double-team attack!

Bealzabuv, I'd like a screenshot of your system's benchmarks at normal and at OC.

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Pancake
posted 06-27-2001 11:10:00 PM
Dude ok... WTF are you doing... You're Usuing a buisness/home use benchmark score to compare a Processor designed for gaming and a processor designed for buisness oriented applications And trying to compare them using the Buisness application benchmarks. p4 in games beats athglons hands down in all areas associated with gaming and yes benchmark scores are higher than p4's in other areas... but if you wanna talk overall use the p3's to compare alathon's not p4's... I don't like p4's personally and will never buy one... But i Can't Wait for the Itanium.
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Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 06-27-2001 11:14:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Bealzabuv:
Dude ok... WTF are you doing... You're Usuing a buisness/home use benchmark score to compare a Processor designed for gaming and a processor designed for buisness oriented applications And trying to compare them using the Buisness application benchmarks. p4 in games beats athglons hands down in all areas associated with gaming and yes benchmark scores are higher than p4's in other areas... but if you wanna talk overall use the p3's to compare alathon's not p4's... I don't like p4's personally and will never buy one... But i Can't Wait for the Itanium.


But the AMD is MADE for gaming. And only games specifically designed to take advantage (Read:Few) of the pentiums show a better performance.

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Pancake
posted 06-27-2001 11:14:00 PM
god man you posted that last one while i was writing... I'm tired so i dunno how it all came out bleh... I'll come back tommorow... Want screenshots? Be more descriptive and i'll be more than happy to supply em.
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Maradon!
posted 06-27-2001 11:15:00 PM
hate to burst your bubble, but Itanium will suck too.

And, again, according to a review by PCGamer, an AMD 1.3Ghz CPU will beat out a Pentium 1.7Ghz CPU for framerates in MDK2, Q3 arena, Tribes2, and Unreal Tournament, all of which are classic PC game yardsticks. The Pentium 4 graphics subset is also, plain and simple, crap.

Ask anyone who does actual coding: Which would you rather optimize for? Thunderbird or Pentium 4? The coder will probably laugh for a couple minutes, assuming you were making an attempt at levity.

Intels formula for success seems to be to wow everyone with blazing clockspeed so maybe they won't notice that the overall throughput sucks moose nuggets.

AMD's blow Pentium 3's out of the water, and Pentium 3's blow Pentium 4's out of the water. There's just no contest.

[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: Maradon? ]

Waisztarroz
I love democracy
posted 06-27-2001 11:18:00 PM
I'd like screenshots of something showing that you, indeed, have 1.3GHz right now.
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Toktuk
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Keeper of the Shoulders of Peachis Perching
posted 06-27-2001 11:27:00 PM
Check it, yo.

The Itanium has been delayed so much it's sick. It won't even be ready by the end of the year. In the mean time, there are other more mature 64-bit processors out there that already have proven themselves. These include Sun's UltraSparc chips, there are other solutions like SGI's MIPS based chips and IBM's PowerPC chips that are developed by Motorola. And up until a few days ago, Alpha chips were still a strong competitor against Itanium's, but Compaq decided to go and be even bigger Wintel lackeys and sell all their Alpha technology to Intel. The last time Intel tried to buy chip technology was with their StrongARM chips. The entire development team walked out and quit developing the chips as a result.

The fact of the matter is that Intel has made some really crappy decisions and Pentiums are suffering as a result. P3's aren't able to keep up with Athlon's. P4's suffer from being built on P3 technology (which makes them slower to begin with), but also from the fact that they require RDRAM, which is horribly slow compared to super fast DDR SDRAM that AMD uses with their chipsets.

All this and the fact that thew new nForce chipset being developed by NVidia will only work with AMD processors and the fact that the latest SiS 765 chipset screaming fast when compared to it's Intel cousin and also to AMD's best mobo chipset and you can't argue that AMD doesn't r0x0r Intel. There is simply too much information supporting this fact.

Again, dig up some hard numbers and we can debate them. I for one haven't seen any. Instead of being a mindless fanboi, try reading a little and learning about your hardware, yo.

-Tok

Drysart
Pancake
posted 06-27-2001 11:37:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Bealzabuv:
p4 in games beats athglons hands down in all areas associated with gaming

Please link to a benchmark that proves this claim.

Somu Icewalker
Also known as Diet Dr. Evil
posted 06-28-2001 07:39:00 AM
Where do I start. Well this for starters...
If you think Intel is sooo bad then anwser this: Why does the P4 cut it's voltage in half if it starts to feel a little hot? That's right your 1.5Ghz is now a 750Mhz!
As for branch prediction, it sucks. The processor wastes more time trying to figure how to put data back together after going down 4 pipelines than it would for 1 pipeline.

Then the common sence says that if my 1.0Ghz is getting better performce than my friends 1.5Ghz P4, then there's something wrong.

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