What's the left? What's the right? Liberal? WTF is that?

No.

Really.

Why haven't you overthrown your monarch, like the French

Whiny, ugly, socialist moral busybodies dedicated to funding terrorism and killing babies.

The Right: Republicans.

Ignorant, smelly, heartless corrupt capitalists who worship the almighty dollar and support the military industrial complex by using religion to block any form of scientific progress.

The Independents: A waste of a vote.

Republicans: Loads of sex scandals with men.
ie: Larry Craig, Mark Foley,

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That's about all I know.

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Mr. Parcelan's account was hax0red to write:
The Left: Democrats.

Whiny, ugly, socialist moral busybodies dedicated to funding terrorism and killing babies.

The Right: Republicans.

Ignorant, smelly, heartless corrupt capitalists who worship the almighty dollar and support the military industrial complex by using religion to block any form of scientific progress.

The Independents: A waste of a vote.

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Truth itt

This man defined the American political right as it exists today, with an assist from this man.

Learn about these people and you will understand the baseline political beliefs of each party. It is very rare for conservatives to find anything that they disagree with in Reagan, just as it's very rare for Liberals to find anything that they disagree with in FDR. Neither set of beliefs was created by either set of people, they just fit the template better than any recent example.

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x--ZairO-('-'Q) :
What Maradon said, except replace Barry Goldwater with Jerry Falwell

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Falwell is not uniquely representative of the right. Many of the things he represented can be found in abundance on the left, or can be absent entirely from the right.

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Maradon! had this to say about Tron:
Falwell is not uniquely representative of the right. Many of the things he represented can be found in abundance on the left, or can be absent entirely from the right.

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Like what?

But what I meant was that the Religious Right was pretty underrepresented in your example. The chance of a Goldwater Republican winning the Republican presidential nomination these days is basically zero.

Zair fucked around with this message on 02-25-2009 at 12:20 AM.

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Zair had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Like what?

But what I meant was that the Religious Right was pretty underrepresented in your example. The chance of a Goldwater Republican winning the Republican presidential nomination these days is basically zero.

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Which you could argue is part of the problem.

See the Political Compass for a more extensive analysis.

There is also the hidden aspect of who decides what the values and goals should be for an individual. Liberals (in the US) want to decide and impose their own values and goals on individuals with greater control over the economic markets. Conservatives also want to decide and impose a different set of values and goals on individuals with fewer controls (or regulations) on the economic markets. Libertarians want to leave the decision of values and goals with the individual with an even greater laissez-faire approach to the economic market.

The differences in who decides those values and goals is better explained in a symposium between B. F. Skinner and Carl Rogers (“Some Issues Concerning the Control of Human Behavior: A Symposium.” Science 124, no. 3231 (1956):
1057–66. Also published in L. Gorlow and W. Katkovsky, eds., Readings in the Psychology of Adjustment. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1959; and in R. I. Evans, Carl Rogers—the Man and His Ideas. New York: Dutton, 1975.)

So, do you want to preserve free will and personal freedom, or do you want to exert control in the form of values and goals over other's behaviors (i.e., criminal, economic, educational, religious-based) under the auspices of the government? Or is it possible to reach a universally acceptable balance between the two?

In my mind, there are really four different groups.
1- Southern/Evangelical Conservatives (ex: George W. Bush)

• Think the purpose of government is to act to preserve morality and (their) social norms.
  
• Don't want evolution taught in schools.
  
• Think that gays should be outlawed.
  
• Think that abortion should be outlawed.
  
• Think that prayer should be put in schools, government, and court-houses.
  
• Think that America is exceptional and has a special role in this world that should be pushed as often as needed to make the world a better place.
  
• Have no idea how to balance a budget, lowers taxes on rich people and raises spending.
  
• Are fucking terrified of Islamic people.
  
• Push for "Sin" taxes on Cigerettes, booze, porn, ecetera to push people towards "moral" lifestyles.
  

2- Libertarians/Fiscal Conservatives (ex: Ron Paul, Maradon)

• Think that the purpose of government is to run the military and have relations with other countries for the purposes of trade agreements, and no more.
  
• Want no entanglement with foreign governments (fucking hate the U.N.)
  
• Think that the free market is the ultimate safe wealth builder and any regulations of the market or business only serve to cause problems and hamper growth and cause recessions.
  
• Think that the government should stay out of people's damn lives. Gays are OK. Guns are OK. Pot is (sometimes) OK.
  
• Think that we need a balanced budget, want to lower taxes on rich people and cut spending to do so.
  

3- Social Progressives (Ex: Barrack Obama)

• Think that the government should keep people from hurting other people.
  
• Think that the government should keep businesses from hurting people.
  
• Think that we need a balanced budget, want to raise taxes on rich people and cut spending to do so.
  
• Prefers democracy to military persuasion, not above using military where needed.
  
• Are generally OK with other states who say they want to blow us up.
  
• Want the government to push the free market towards some things, such as alternative energy.
  

4- Liberals (Ex: Nancy Pelosi)

• Think that the government's role is to provide for people- Welfare, Socialized, government ran health care, retirement.
  
• Push for "Sin" taxes on Cigerettes, booze, porn, ecetera to push people towards "healthy" lifestyles.
  
• Think that the free market should be heavily regulated to prevent any recessions.
  
• Think businesses exploit workers- push for unions.
  
• Think people are mean to minorities- push for Affirmative Action.
  
• Want guns outlawed.
  
• Support abortion rights.
  
• Want a much smaller military, used only as an absolute last resort and defense.
  

For that reason, it's important to engage with them anyway. They aren't harmless.

Jesus Christ Bobby Jindal shut the fuck up.

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Blindy. still thinks SARS jokes are topical, as evidenced by:
Jesus Christ Bobby Jindal shut the fuck up.

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He's getting ready for the 2012 election.

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Blindy. got served! Blindy. got served!
He's like a more retarded Sarah Palin with fewer speaking skills.

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He, like Sarah Palin, has three years to polish himself. You watch. He'll be tarding it up on talk shows now, but by this time next year he'll have eliminated his tarding tendencies.

"Hey look guys, republicans have an ethnic younger dude who will still appeal to white people! It's OK you can go back to voting for us again, we're suddenly about balancing budgets and not spending money like we were whenever we didn't have power before."

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Karnaj probably says this to all the girls:
He, like Sarah Palin, has three years to polish himself. You watch. He'll be tarding it up on talk shows now, but by this time next year he'll have eliminated his tarding tendencies.

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Still helps to have some initial charm/charisma. Sarah Palin had that, at least.

Listen to his tone, haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vCVicXyltk&NR=1

Keep watching if you want to see Fox News pan his performance.

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Zair said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vCVicXyltk&NR=1

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Oh lol. Even from a non-American standpoint, that was hilariously bad. Like watching a teen drama workshop.

Is it bad I wanted to punch him after 30 seconds?

These were taken from Law & Order UK that premiered a couple days ago.

nem-x is SUPER gay fucked around with this message on 02-25-2009 at 09:30 PM.

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nem-x is SUPER gay said:
Are your courts still like this?

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Yes, because we're civilised.

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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Blindy. who doth quote:
He's like a more retarded Sarah Palin with fewer speaking skills.

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Don't you think your opinion on this is colored by the fact that you absolutely hate all republicans?

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x--ZairO-('-'Q) :
Like what?

But what I meant was that the Religious Right was pretty underrepresented in your example. The chance of a Goldwater Republican winning the Republican presidential nomination these days is basically zero.

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The "religious right" isn't an endemic part of the political right. They're a special interest group, like environmentalists or union labor are to the left. They gravitate toward one party or another in order to gain political influence, but their concerns aren't necessarily tied directly to the party platform, although people on both sides try to portray it that way.

The difference between interest groups and the party proper is that interest groups are mostly modular; their primary concerns could easily be championed by any part of the political spectrum.

For example, I've always suggested that environmentalists and the religious really ought to swap parties. Religion is inherently authoritarian, and would provide the left with unquestionable, politically radioactive reasons for social handout programs, sin taxes, and other things that they like a lot. On the other hand, environmentalism is inherently concerned with the preservation of wealth in the form of the natural world, something that would have a bit more synergy with the right.

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When Maradon! says stuff like this, it proves there isn't a God:
Don't you think that blah blah blah

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Nope.

Because I don't. I hate Bush and anyone who tries to win elections or maintain power with base appeals and fear mongering, but I don't hate all republicans.

Blindy. fucked around with this message on 02-26-2009 at 10:54 PM.

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So quoth Blindy.:
Nope.

Because I don't. I hate Bush and anyone who tries to win elections or maintain power with base appeals and fear mongering, but I don't hate all republicans.

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So you hate Obama?

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The logic train ran off the tracks when Blindy. said:
Nope.

Because I don't. I hate Bush and anyone who tries to win elections or maintain power with base appeals and fear mongering, but I don't hate all republicans.

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But you do tolerate someone in power who does use those tactics?

Vernaltemptress fucked around with this message on 02-27-2009 at 01:01 AM.

I'm not 100% in support of Obama. I was very disappointed with his actions on the stimulus bill. However, I still think that tax cuts for the middle class are needed to get out of this recession and that's what a large part of the Stimulus bill is.

And I've said a number of times that I supported McCain in the 2000 elections, and in the 1990s I was pretty much a Republican. Now I'll support any Republican who wants to debate issues on logic instead of emotional appeal and fear mongering, and who will try to win elections on economics instead of gay bashing, xenophobia and pro-life appeals. I was very impressed with some quotes I heard from Mitt Romney at the CPAC conference. I like the Govenator. Ron Paul's good, but a little too ideological to run the country. Rudy Giuliani has his moments. And Mike Huckabee seems like a pretty good guy.

Wait.. I just realised that Steve looks a bit like him.

Oh shi-