9800 GTX+, $170 after rebate
I am told that the radeon 4850 is actually an all around better card, but after my quite bad experience with this lousy 1950 pro I'm pretty soured on ATI.
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We were all impressed when Maradon! wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168141212659800 GTX+, $170 after rebate
I am told that the radeon 4850 is actually an all around better card, but after my quite bad experience with this lousy 1950 pro I'm pretty soured on ATI.
Didn't you say a while back that 8 series was better?
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Damnati who doth quote:
Didn't you say a while back that 8 series was better?
Why do people keep confusing my opinions on video cards?
The general consensus of that particular video card thread seemed to be that the 9600 was a reboxed 8800, not the 9800, and I didn't even share in that view anyway.
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ACES! Another post by Maradon!:
Why do people keep confusing my opinions on video cards?The general consensus of that particular video card thread seemed to be that the 9600 was a reboxed 8800, not the 9800, and I didn't even share in that view anyway.
I can't recall anything clearly beyond that you had a decidedly poor opinion of the 9 series. I don't particularly care one or the other, just figured I'd ask.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
also nvidia is having that thing where like 75% of their chips are fucked so you should probably check that out before you buy Kegwen fucked around with this message on 08-16-2008 at 12:14 AM.
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Kegwen postedI love my 4850
also nvidia is having that thing where like 75% of their chips are fucked so you should probably check that out before you buy
Only valid for GPUs based on G84/G86 iirc, which are laptop chipsets (8600M and friends). Alidane fucked around with this message on 08-16-2008 at 01:06 PM.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Alidane who doth quote:
Only valid for GPUs based on G84/G86 iirc, which are laptop chipsets (8600M and friends).
this
also, my main problems with ati are their drivers. Dual monitor support is awkward as fuck.
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How.... Skaw.... uughhhhhh:
Whats the point of elaborate artwork on something that's going to be shoved inside of something else.
I say that every time someone mentions penis tattoos...
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This insanity brought to you by Norim the Stumpy:
I say that every time someone mentions penis tattoos...
So did I, until your mom did a work of art on mine
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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Skaw postedBut at some point in time, people are going to see a penis tattoo. The only time someones going to see the art on a video card is when you put it in and take it out (thats what she said.)
Not if you've got one of those cases with the clear plastic side-panels.
Admittedly, such cases are for tremendous douchebags--the same douchebags that would buy a graphics card with art on it.
1) The alternative is a flat, black piece of plastic covering the HSF, which would look completely unprofessional, and painting a nice lady costs the same as painting a plain logo
2) Shiny decorated shit is just more appealing.
What IS strange are the words on the fan;
"Rock Solid - Heart Touching"
what? Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-17-2008 at 02:47 AM.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Alidane wrote:
Not if you've got one of those cases with the clear plastic side-panels.Admittedly, such cases are for tremendous douchebags--the same douchebags that would buy a graphics card with art on it.
Uh, these douchebags, as you say, wouldn't give a shit whether their factory heatsink has art on it or not since they're going to tear it off with some water or liquid nitrogen cooling. I mean seriously, factory HSFs are so... pedestrian. 
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
Go asus
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Maradon! Model 2000 was programmed to say:
PCI-Express 2.0, aka Hojumbo Slot Ultra 2.0, is indeed backwards compatible with original flavor.
Awesome. Probably going to pick this one up along with four gigs of this RAM before WAR comes out to bring my system up to speed. 7900GTX and 2 gigs of RAM is good but doesn't seem to be enough to handle WAR the way I'd like it to.
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Damnati stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Awesome. Probably going to pick this one up along with four gigs of this RAM before WAR comes out to bring my system up to speed. 7900GTX and 2 gigs of RAM is good but doesn't seem to be enough to handle WAR the way I'd like it to.
Related to this, I'd like to see about switching 64-bit Vista. I'm pretty sure Maradon mentioned a long time back that MS will provide a 64-bit version for a nominal fee if you have legit 32-bit Vista; how I got this?
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It's dubiously legal!
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Kegwen stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Or you could just pirate the media and use your 32-bit key for no cost at allIt's dubiously legal!
I did not know this could be done. Wouldn't this fuck with activation, though?
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Damnati said:
I did not know this could be done. Wouldn't this fuck with activation, though?
It shouldn't as long as you're only running the key on one system at a time. The license you have is good for 32-bit and 64-bit. Kegwen fucked around with this message on 08-24-2008 at 02:21 PM.
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Kegwen had this to say about Punky Brewster:
It shouldn't as long as you're only running the key on one system at a time. The license you have is good for 32-bit and 64-bit.
Huh, I'll have to look into this. I've got 6 gigs of RAM on hand and I see no reason not to find a way to use it. I'm given to understand that, with that much RAM, I could turn off the page file and get better performance.
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I'm given to understand that, with that much RAM, I could turn off the page file and get better performance.
Not at all, no. Lots of programs EXPECT to find a pagefile, and will refuse to run if it's not there. I know if games will do this, but most CG programs that I've seen had this property. Windows itself didn't handle itself well either.
Just keep it on, more RAM just means you'll page less often.
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Damnatiing:
I did not know this could be done. Wouldn't this fuck with activation, though?
No, activation doesn't discern between 64 and 32 bit versions.
Microsoft kinda went out of their way to let people use either version they wanted.
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I'm given to understand that, with that much RAM, I could turn off the page file and get better performance.
No, the page file is an integral part of the way most programs behave.
In short: don't fuck with it.
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From the book of Blindy., chapter 3, verse 16:
But what you could do is partition a ramdisk of 2 gigs or so and put your pagefile on that drive.
I am intrigued by your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Tell me more about this "ramdisk."
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I am intrigued by your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Tell me more about this "ramdisk."
Google will tell you all you need to know. Basically you make your computer think that a part of your ram is really a hard drive. Just don't put anything on this hard drive that you wish to keep when the computer turns off or loses power.
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Maradon! postedIt's actually a pretty terrible idea, since all you're really doing is turning ram into slower ram.
If you're doing something nearly completely I/O bound, it can be very helpful. For example, building my main project at work takes roughly 10 minutes running off of disk; half that if you're compiling off of a ramdisk. Makes a huge difference in productivity if I can spin builds twice as fast.
But for day-to-day or desktop use, you're right, it's a fucking terrible idea.
Also, Blindy is retarded. There's no reason to ever put your pagefile on a ramdisk: the pagefile is what your computer uses when it runs out of RAM, essentially. All you're doing is forcing it to hit the pagefile earlier. Alidane fucked around with this message on 08-27-2008 at 12:29 AM.
Blindy. fucked around with this message on 08-27-2008 at 02:50 PM.
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Blindy. postedThe page file does a lot more than simply act as memory extensions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging
How so? All paging allows the system to do is allocate and manage more memory than it has. The implementation is complicated (especially on x86 with segmentation), but that's the gist of it.
Unless you're getting it confused with the general concept of virtual memory, which is entirely different.
Is this even worth arguing with you, or are you just going to cling to the [T]ard bullshit you're spouting? Alidane fucked around with this message on 08-28-2008 at 12:53 AM.
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This one time, at band camp, Alidane said:
How so? All paging allows the system to do is allocate and manage more memory than it has. The implementation is complicated (especially on x86 with segmentation), but that's the gist of it.Unless you're getting it confused with the general concept of virtual memory, which is entirely different.
Is this even worth arguing with you, or are you just going to cling to the [T]ard bullshit you're spouting?
Apparently it's not worth arguing it with you, because you're not going to bother to fucking read the references I provide for you.
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Blindy. postedApparently it's not worth arguing it with you, because you're not going to bother to fucking read the references I provide for you.
What I think you're getting at is that the pagefile is accessed more often than cases in which you're completely out of physical memory, and on modern systems, is often used to speculatively load pages. By moving the pagefile to RAM, you get BIG WINS on these speculative loads, and your programs go superfast and you can headshot motherfuckers before they even load the map! WOOOOO!
*ahem*
As the article you linked points out, the whole point of speculative paging is that it's done *in advance* of the page being needed. Since most page stores are on very slow media, speculative paging is a win because processes have pages they need on-hand for use, instead of taking a page fault and potentially a trip out to disk.
If your pagefile is in ram already, speculatively loading pages is pretty retarded, because there's plenty of overhead involved in getting pages from the page store to ram. If you're starting from userspace, you have to trap into the kernel, which can be expensive on some systems. The kernel then has to muck around with page tables, maybe evict somebody, and finally go out to your page store, which in the case of a ramdisk, probably takes far less time than doing all that other shit. Just think, if you had the page in the ram you're using for your ramdisk, you'd already be doing work!
Plus, if you've got less memory, the system is going to have to fault more--memory pressure causes page faults. Thus, the decreased service time for paging isn't going to buy you much, as you're going to spend more time copying pages from the page store and back In the case of a ramdisk, note that paging is simply copying data from one section of memory to another, not really useful work.
The whole design of paging is really based around the idea of having a fast, local store (RAM) backed by a slower page store for stuff that's not being used at the moment. Sticking that slower store in RAM just fucks you in all sorts of ways.
The extreme case, in which you have more RAM than you really ever allocate, may get some wins from moving the pagefile. However, this probably requires a *lot* of RAM, 8GB+, and isn't really applicable to very many desktop systems especially, since they have low maximum RAM capacity.
Tangentially related: fuck, why did I let my ACM membership run out? It looks like there's a couple relevant whitepapers up there, if you're really interested in the subject.
