THINGS ARE LOOKING BAD FOR MARADON.
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The Baptist preacher yesterday continued to resist calls to quit the race given that Mr McCain has taken a near-insurmountable lead. I didnt major in math. I majored in miracles, and I still believe in them, he said.
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The Baptist preacher yesterday continued to resist calls to quit the race given that Mr McCain has taken a near-insurmountable lead. I didnt major in math. I majored in miracles, and I still believe in them, he said.
He's either brilliant or heartily delusional. What he might be going for now is simply being a huge enough pain in the ass that he'll be offered the VP spot to pipe down. It remains to be seen if that'll happen, though.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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x--Mr. ParcelanO-('-'Q) :
THINGS ARE LOOKING BAD FOR MARADON.
Nah, I regard hillary and obama as being equivalent and interchangeable.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Lechium wrote:
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Just google Obama Primaries. He's the new Media Darling.
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Maradon!'s unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Nah, I regard hillary and obama as being equivalent and interchangeable.
So I guess you'll vote for Obama in the general?
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x--Noxhil2O-('-'Q) :
So I guess you'll vote for Obama in the general?
I am aiming to vote for the absolute worst candidate imaginable, so of course I'd vote for Obama. He'd be a slightly bigger disaster than Clinton.
If you're asking if I think Obama is worse than Clinton, that's a tougher one. Obama is the number one most liberal senator in 2007. Obama is more liberal than actual, self-declared socialists.
And then there's his troubling membership with the virulently afrocentric, racist, and anti-american United Church of Christ.
Couple that with his utter lack of any experience or qualifications of any kind and it's a recipe for disaster. But then, so is any collectivist worldview. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 02-13-2008 at 06:57 PM.
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Maradon! spewed forth this undeniable truth:
If you're asking if I think Obama is worse than Clinton, that's a tougher one. Obama is the number one most liberal senator in 2007. Obama is more liberal than actual, self-declared socialists.
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How.... Maradon!.... uughhhhhh:
And then there's his troubling membership with the virulently afrocentric, racist, and anti-american United Church of Christ.
Ok, considering I was raised in a UCC church (even though I'm not even religious anymore), I've never seen a more tolerant, open-minded denomination, ever. And for the record, before the "afrocentric" bullshit comes up, I was raised in one that was pretty much 100% white.
I've even been to the UCC's general synod (held every other year), and I found it to be an awesome experience, which is saying a lot since I'm not usually a fan of organized religion. I have never seen anything that would support your claims that the UCC is afrocentric, racist or anti-american (wtf?). They were one of the first christian denominations to openly ordain openly gay and lesbian pastors, and when every congregation sends their delegates to the national synod, one of the delegates has to be a youth representative, who gets all the same voting rights as regular delegates.
They even let regular members who attend, but aren't delegates, attend and speak at the various committees that debate decisions before they're brought to the floor for voting.
Seems pretty american to me.
In summary, you're basically defining an entire nation-wide denomination based on one congregation. Good job. And go fuck yourself.
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Maradon! wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Obama is more liberal than actual, self-declared socialists.
I forgot to comment on this too...but if you actually still had any wits about you, you'd realize that liberalism != socialism. But hey, keep on truckin with that blind, fanatically anti-liberal zeal, Mr. Coulter.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Talonus who doth quote:
Yeah, about that... he really isn't.
Ahaha, these rebuttals are hilarious. They start from the assumption that the National Journal was trying to use some sort of objective rating system when all they were really doing is tallying positions according to their own estimation just like countless other papers do on a regular basis. Then they inflate the importance of the rating.
It's funny, I was very politically active for the 2004 election and I sure as hell don't remember Kerry's ranking as "most liberal" being talked about. The only reason Obama's is worth mentioning is because it gets people to realize that Obama is in no way moderate, but there's a flood of other evidence to make that same point.
I don't know if I really care whether the guy is more or less liberal than anyone else in the senate, he still votes, acts, and talks big government, nanny-state socialism. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 02-13-2008 at 08:24 PM.
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Ok, considering I was raised in a UCC church (even though I'm not even religious anymore), I've never seen a more tolerant, open-minded denomination, ever. And for the record, before the "afrocentric" bullshit comes up, I was raised in one that was pretty much 100% white.
I guess I meant to say "A" virulently afrocentric, racist, and anti-american United Church of Christ.
You didn't even glance at the article, so you don't know about the specific positions of the Chicago Trinity UCC, or even more specifically, the Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright who has appeared with Obama on multiple occasions and from whom there are a slew of absolutely revoltingly bigoted quotes.
So, no, of course I wasn't defaming the entire denomination. That would have been obvious if you'd looked at the article... but of course, you didn't.
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In summary, you're basically defining an entire nation-wide denomination based on one congregation. Good job. And go fuck yourself.
You're only mad because you like Obama.
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Demosing:
you'd realize that liberalism != socialism.
I have heard that some liberals actually do try to fool themselves into believing that their ideas are not socialism.
If you'd like to explain to me how violent redistribution of wealth and a limitlessly intrusive welfare state isn't socialism, though, go for it. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 02-13-2008 at 08:40 PM.
Also, he is a smoker.
Also, I'm with you on the church thing Maradon. I also have no reason to distrust blogs.
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Guys I also heard in an email forward that he was sworn into office as Senator on the Koran, and that he won't face the American flag or say the pledge.
Actually none of these things are true. All of the things I said are, though.
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Also, I'm with you on the church thing Maradon. I also have no reason to distrust blogs.
Haha, sorry this also made the national news circuit. Google Jeremiah Wright.
why wouldn't you just post the national news in the first place
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Maradon! had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I have heard that some liberals actually do try to fool themselves into believing that their ideas are not socialism.If you'd like to explain to me how violent redistribution of wealth and a limitlessly intrusive welfare state isn't socialism, though, go for it.
From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
1: the quality or state of being liberal
Main Entry:
lib·er·al·ism Listen to the pronunciation of liberalism
Pronunciation:
\ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
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noun
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1819
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A. often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
B: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard
C: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties dcapitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party
Main Entry: 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
so·cial·ism Listen to the pronunciation of socialism
Pronunciation:
\ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
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noun
Date:
1837
2: A: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
B: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
But then again, I might have missed that day in class where we learned that the definitions used by political extremists are the most accurate.
Contrary to what Rush tells you on the radio, some of us call ourselves liberals based on our devotion to civil liberties, and actually oppose nanny-state policies, but we don't jump on the libertarian bandwagon because its full of bat-shit crazy, thinly-veiled anarchists. Mobs don't promote or give a shit about civil rights. It takes a transparent, representative government to do that.
Edit for formatting Demos fucked around with this message on 02-13-2008 at 08:51 PM.
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Since Obama won the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, a flurry of e-mail messages with identical language and sentiment began circulating across the internet, claiming that Trinity UCC was a "racist" congregation because of its long-stated church motto: "Unashamedly Black, Unapologetically Christian.""Trinity UCC is rooted in and proud of its Afrocentric heritage," Thomas said. "This is no different than the hundreds of UCC churches from the German Evangelical and Reformed stream that continue to own and celebrate their German heritage, insisting on annual sausage and sauerkraut dinners and singing Stille Nacht on Christmas Eve. Recognizing and celebrating our distinctive racial-ethnic heritages, cultures, languages and customs are what make us unique as a united and uniting denomination."
Oh god, how racist of them to represent the ethnic background of their members. I guess we should force all the congregations to act the same way.
Honestly, Maradon, why give a shit about that? Are you that desperate for an Obama smear?
I bet you masterbated over the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Demos who doth quote:
But then again, I might have missed that day in class where we learned that the definitions used by political extremists are the most accurate.
No, these are the beliefs advanced by the politicians that are supported by people who declare themselves liberals. Merriam-Webster's definition of "liberal" hasn't been accurate for the past 45 years, that much is made obvious by even a cursory examination of the causes that the american democratic party advances.
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Contrary to what Rush tells you on the radio, some of us call ourselves liberals based on our devotion to civil liberties, and actually oppose nanny-state policies, but we don't jump on the libertarian bandwagon because its full of bat-shit crazy, thinly-veiled anarchists.
So why do you support a political party that believes precisely the opposite of this?
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So why do you support a political party that believes precisely the opposite of this?
Take a look at who seems to justify torture the most, who votes for and against the telecom immunity for warantless wiretaps, who pushed for broad Patriot Act provisions....oh wait, it was mostly the republicans (and I don't support the dems that did either).
Then look at which party loves to legislate on religious beliefs, imposing their morality in the way of scientific stem cell research, and which party tries to force marriage ammendments banning gay marriage.
Then tell me about civil liberties.
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Watch out guys, when Barack HUSSAIN Obama becomes president, his "afrocentric" minister is going to be right by his side talking him into forcing all the whites into ghettos.Honestly, Maradon, why give a shit about that? Are you that desperate for an Obama smear?
Uh oh, I'm questioning the black man! I must be racist!
Gee I dunno, having an extremist bigot as your primary spiritual confidant isn't a bad thing? Maybe it's ok if you're black!
I've noticed that your arguments are boiling down to straw-man characterization attempts. Gotta turn me into a bumper sticker before you can talk to me?
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I bet you masterbated over the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth.
Haha, not that it matters, but why do folks keep bringing up the swiftboat vets as if anything the swiftboat vets said was ever refuted in any way? They brought to light the fact that Kerry was a spoiled little shit in his service and got his medals through favors rather than any merit, no evidence was ever found to counter their claims, and yet somehow invoking swiftboat vets is supposed to conjure images of faleshood?
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I've been to Trinity once, too, but quite a few years ago. Never noticed anything "racist" about it. I'll quote their site since it says it best:Oh god, how racist of them to represent the ethnic background of their members. I guess we should force all the congregations to act the same way.
Yeah, before Obama's campaign began, their site looked a little different. Among the omissions:
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In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns.
And other nuggets of absolute racist hatred. Investor's Business Daily also did an article.
a vote for gains is a vote for nothing to ever get done
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From the book of Maradon!, chapter 3, verse 16:
Haha, not that it matters, but why do folks keep bringing up the swiftboat vets as if anything the swiftboat vets said was ever refuted in any way? They brought to light the fact that Kerry was a spoiled little shit in his service and got his medals through favors rather than any merit, no evidence was ever found to counter their claims, and yet somehow invoking swiftboat vets is supposed to conjure images of faleshood?
Holy Shit.
Did you read any unbiased sources on that?
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NONE of the Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth" served with Kerry on his boat. ALL of the men who served with Kerry support him as far as his war record, even if they don't agree with him politically.
Honestly, to believe the Swift Boat stuff, you have to actively be trying to ignore the facts.
But --on topic--, in what ways do you think this "afrocentric" minister is going to affect Obama's judgement and policy decisions? On what issues?
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Demos booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Take a look at who seems to justify torture the most
That's not really a civil liberties issue, since it doesn't even deal with american citizens.
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[qb]who votes for and against the telecom immunity for warantless wiretaps
The democrats do, which is yet another case of them being against civil liberties and for government intrusion. Since, you know, these telcom companies consist of people who are american citizens.
Warrantless wiretaps are legal, by the way. Do you really think it's a civil liberties issue to allow telcom companies to be sued for complying with legal acts of government?
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who pushed for broad Patriot Act provisions....oh wait, it was mostly the republicans (and I don't support the dems that did either).
Point ceded, the republicans have no respect for civil liberties where national security is concerned.
Now how about you tell me, which party believes that you should not have the right to decide what food you eat or whether or not you smoke?
Which party wants to make public political speech untenable?
Which party believes you should not have the right to decide what car you can drive or what lightbulb you can use?
Which party believes that children trapped in inner city schools should not have the freedom to choose another school?
Which party believes that you should not have the right to hire whoever you want at your place of business without obeying a racial quota?
And most importantly, which party is it that believes that you do not have a right to keep the money you earn?
The republicans are far from perfect, but the American Democratic Party places absolutely zero value on the rights of individuals. In every case where individual liberty clashes with the Democrat agenda, it's individual liberty that must yield. Their philosophy is one of limitless government intrusion on the lives of individuals, because they believe that government knows better how to run your life.
It kinda makes wiretapping calls to a middle eastern nation seem pretty trivial really!
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Also, in reference to that dastardly church:http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/church.asp
You might want to actually read that snopes article, because it confirms everything I said about that church.
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Maradon! said this about your mom:
You might want to actually read that snopes article, because it confirms everything I said about that church.
Perhaps read the indented articles as well.
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Perhaps read the indented articles as well.
Yeah, I did that too. They don't even mention Jeremiah Wright or his extreme racist rhetoric, and they confirm that the church is black-centric and preaches african nationalism.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Maradon! said:
they confirm that the church is black-centric and preaches african nationalism.
Of course it is black-centric, as almost all of its congregation is black. As a church in a Polish neighborhood would be Polish centric (like the article mentions). I actually have been to a church where it catered to its Polish community by having part of the sermon in Polish. That level of Polish nationalism did make me very uncomfortable 
Also, it is mention both in the Snopes article and by Demos that the Church welcomed white paritioners warmly.
Just admit that you are blowing this way out of proportion 
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tell THAT to obama's BLACK CHURCH Gadani fucked around with this message on 02-13-2008 at 10:28 PM.
What's Barack Obama? He's black.
Therefore Barack Obama will be the best President of the United States.
