It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
If not for the Muslims, do it for the flip-flop wearing, dirty feeted women!
These footbaths have an explicitly and exclusively religious function, and they're being paid for by taxpayer money, and the ACLU conspicuously grants their consent? What greater evidence for a double standard could there possibly be?
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Verily, Maradon! doth proclaim:
That's a bit like arguing that "ten commandments" monuments are OK because people of every faith can enjoy the artistry of the monument and perhaps rest their papers or drinks on the plinth.These footbaths have an explicitly and exclusively religious function, and they're being paid for by taxpayer money, and the ACLU conspicuously grants their consent? What greater evidence for a double standard could there possibly be?
Something I think you might want to think about Maradon is that the ALCU is not a oozing blob of socialist agenda.
The mission is to promote religious tolerance and acceptance. Foot baths are not really something worth picking a fight over, on the other hand displaying and or celebrating Biblical Law in a place dedicated to Secular Law where everyone is supposed held equal in the eyes of the law is at it's core very different.
I will not argue that there is a double standard, but it is somewhat a requirement when the organization in question is working towards a status quo. Someone has to be the odd man out, and radical Christian Fundamentalists happen to be the bad guys right now.
There are far more troublesome things my tax money is being spent on than foot baths. I think I will worry about those first.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Tyewa Dawnsister said:
Something I think you might want to think about Maradon is that the ALCU is not a oozing blob of socialist agenda.The mission is to promote religious tolerance and acceptance. Foot baths are not really something worth picking a fight over, on the other hand displaying and or celebrating Biblical Law in a place dedicated to Secular Law where everyone is supposed held equal in the eyes of the law is at it's core very different.
I will not argue that there is a double standard, but it is somewhat a requirement when the organization in question is working towards a status quo. Someone has to be the odd man out, and radical Christian Fundamentalists happen to be the bad guys right now.
There are far more troublesome things my tax money is being spent on than foot baths. I think I will worry about those first.
I can't believe you think that way. I mean wow. A plaque on a wall is not really something worth picking a fight over either. How can they be taken seriously in the least when they have such a pronounced double standard. If they were to attack all religious incursions into the government sphere equally then there would be no grounds for complaint. But when they target Christian beliefs simply because there is Christian majority that is bullshit, and they should be called on it.
Just because a group is a minority doesn't mean that they get a free pass on everything.
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Something I think you might want to think about Maradon is that the ALCU is not a oozing blob of socialist agenda.
Well, they were founded by a fanatical communist, Roger Baldwin, but that's neither here nor there since islam doesn't really have a damn thing to do with socialism.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Tyewa Dawnsister booooze lime pole over bench lick:
The mission is to promote religious tolerance and acceptance.
What? Since when? I thought they were concerned primarily with, you know, civil liberties. The kind of civil liberties that are violated when $25,000 in public money fund religion-specific facilities.
Are you trying to say that opposing this would have been intolerance? Because if that's so, then opposing ten commandments monuments and cross monuments at public parks is also intolerance. Or is intolerance OK as long as it's intolerance of your political or ideological opposition?
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Foot baths are not really something worth picking a fight over, on the other hand displaying and or celebrating Biblical Law in a place dedicated to Secular Law where everyone is supposed held equal in the eyes of the law is at it's core very different.
No, it really isn't any different at all. They used a wide variety of arguments to oppose the ten commandments monuments, and most of them are easily applicable to the footbaths. Mainly that public money should not be spent on non-secular projects. It's a gross double standard - it's OK when muslims do it, but not when christians do it.
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I will not argue that there is a double standard, but it is somewhat a requirement when the organization in question is working towards a status quo. Someone has to be the odd man out, and radical Christian Fundamentalists happen to be the bad guys right now.
No, nobody has to be the "odd man out". When dealing with civil liberties, NOBODY should be an odd man out. There's no way to say that it's OK for one group to violate the separation of church and state and not another without it being a flagrant hypocrisy.
That the ACLU turns a blind eye toward violations of civil rights unless they're committed by a political opponent illustrates that the ACLU really doesn't care about civil rights at all, their concern is political advocacy and they only use the veil of civil rights to place themselves beyond reproach.
The ACLU persecutes christians because christians generally belong to opposing political entities. Muslims get a free pass because they really don't pose any immediate political threat.
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Tyewa Dawnsister had this to say about Captain Planet:
Something I think you might want to think about Maradon is that the ALCU is not a oozing blob of socialist agenda.The mission is to promote religious tolerance and acceptance. Foot baths are not really something worth picking a fight over, on the other hand displaying and or celebrating Biblical Law in a place dedicated to Secular Law where everyone is supposed held equal in the eyes of the law is at it's core very different.
I will not argue that there is a double standard, but it is somewhat a requirement when the organization in question is working towards a status quo. Someone has to be the odd man out, and radical Christian Fundamentalists happen to be the bad guys right now.
There are far more troublesome things my tax money is being spent on than foot baths. I think I will worry about those first.
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Maradon! wrote this stupid crap:
That's a bit like arguing that "ten commandments" monuments are OK because people of every faith can enjoy the artistry of the monument and perhaps rest their papers or drinks on the plinth.These footbaths have an explicitly and exclusively religious function, and they're being paid for by taxpayer money, and the ACLU conspicuously grants their consent? What greater evidence for a double standard could there possibly be?
Though footbaths have their origin in islamic law, footbaths would be accessible and usable (much like toilets and water fountains) by anyone, for any reason, regardless of religion. The "ten commandments" are applicable and recognized only by those few that practice some form of christianity.
If, on the other hand, a public institution wants to set aside a dedicated prayer room that is usable soley by muslims, then we have a problem. We don't see chapels in public institutions, do we?
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Vernaltemptress said:
Though footbaths have their origin in islamic law, footbaths would be accessible and usable (much like toilets and water fountains) by anyone, for any reason, regardless of religion. The "ten commandments" are applicable and recognized only by those few that practice some form of christianity.If, on the other hand, a public institution wants to set aside a dedicated prayer room that is usable soley by muslims, then we have a problem. We don't see chapels in public institutions, do we?
If they're building things at the behest of a religious group, it is religious. Case closed. The Ten Commandments could be considered good advice for anyone, but they have no place in law or government either.
This is religious favoritism and it's disgusting.
Anyone seen any meteors coming towards us? I smell armageddon.
After doing so this is even more ridiculous. This is not being done to actively promote a religion, it is being done because people were washing their feet in public sinks. That is a sanitary issue, a matter of public health.
To actually quote the local ACLU stance on the issue:
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The Detroit chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union isn't getting involved, arguing the foot baths are secular since non-Muslims could use them, said spokeswoman Rana Elmir.
Pick your fights gentlemen, surely you can find a better example of a local ACLU chapter showing favoritism than this.
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This insanity brought to you by Tyewa Dawnsister:
I guess I should actually read the article before posting.After doing so this is even more ridiculous. This is not being done to actively promote a religion, it is being done because people were washing their feet in public sinks. That is a sanitary issue, a matter of public health.
To actually quote the local ACLU stance on the issue:
Pick your fights gentlemen, surely you can find a better example of a local ACLU chapter showing favoritism than this.
But it is funded by Muslims.
That breaches secularity.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Tyewa Dawnsister absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
I guess I should actually read the article before posting.After doing so this is even more ridiculous. This is not being done to actively promote a religion, it is being done because people were washing their feet in public sinks. That is a sanitary issue, a matter of public health.
To actually quote the local ACLU stance on the issue:
Pick your fights gentlemen, surely you can find a better example of a local ACLU chapter showing favoritism than this.
Exactly how is washing one's feet in sinks a matter of sanitation or public health? Do tell.
What we have here is public money being spent specifically and exclusively for the purpose of enabling a particular group to worship. Exactly like they had, for example, installed confessionals for Catholics with the bizarre rationale, "It's a little bench in a closet--anyone can sit there if they want and chat with the guy on the other side of the screen, so it's got nothing to do with religion!"
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Tyewa Dawnsister had this to say about Optimus Prime:
I guess I should actually read the article before posting.After doing so this is even more ridiculous. This is not being done to actively promote a religion, it is being done because people were washing their feet in public sinks. That is a sanitary issue, a matter of public health.
To actually quote the local ACLU stance on the issue:
Pick your fights gentlemen, surely you can find a better example of a local ACLU chapter showing favoritism than this.
Technically, they can make it against regulation to wash your feet in a sink. I'm retty sure there are travel kits out there that can be bought to obtain the same result as a sink.
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At least Mr. Parcelan isn't Somthor:
If they're building things at the behest of a religious group, it is religious. Case closed. The Ten Commandments could be considered good advice for anyone, but they have no place in law or government either.This is religious favoritism and it's disgusting.
You shall have no other god beside me?
You shall not take god's name in vain?
Make no idols?
Keep holy the sabbath?
Yeah dude, Hindus would LOVE that good advice. Blindy. fucked around with this message on 06-25-2007 at 10:50 AM.
Naimah fucked around with this message on 06-25-2007 at 11:29 AM.
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Blindy. had this to say about pies:
You shall have no other god beside me?
You shall not take god's name in vain?
Make no idols?
Keep holy the sabbath?Yeah dude, Hindus would LOVE that good advice.
You beat me to this 
Anyway, which ten commandments did they have up anyway? I thought there were like
three takes on it and then some.
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Check out the big brains on Naimah:
Non Christians could read the 10 Commandments and not get the same meaning from it that a Christian could. A non Muslim can get their feet cleaned and not get the same meaning from it that a Muslim could. Both are overtly religious. One caters to a minority, the other to the majority. The majority is ran out. Double standard. QED.
Washing one's feet is overtly religious?
Is drinking wine overtly religious, then?
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Blindy. enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
You shall have no other god beside me?
You shall not take god's name in vain?
Make no idols?
Keep holy the sabbath?Yeah dude, Hindus would LOVE that good advice.
Whoops!
You have a few minutes to make a post that actually contributes something besides sarcasm or you're banned 
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Washing one's feet is overtly religious?Is drinking wine overtly religious, then?
Do you wash your feet five times daily? Do you know anyone who isn't a Muslim who does? I think it's fair to say these footbaths serve an expressly religious purpose with the peripheral benefits that some hygienically motivated non-Muslim students could wash their feet there as well.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
So you're in favor of the Islamic students continuing to use the sinks, yes?
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Blindy. probably says this to all the girls:
I would wash my feet if they are dirty and there was a foot wash right there. If they have a sign saying "Brown people only" near the foot wash, then I'd have an issue.So you're in favor of the Islamic students continuing to use the sinks, yes?
I'm in favor of the Islamic students paying for their own religious needs. There's nothing at all stopping them from raising their own funds. Damnati fucked around with this message on 06-25-2007 at 01:02 PM.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Blindy. gently hums:
I would wash my feet if they are dirty and there was a foot wash right there. If they have a sign saying "Brown people only" near the foot wash, then I'd have an issue.So you're in favor of the Islamic students continuing to use the sinks, yes?
A) The one and only reason they use the footbaths is as a prelude to prayer--that makes it an overtly religious act.
B) How many people do you know who routinely bathe their feet during the middle of the day, in public places, except as a prelude to prayer?
C) Why can't they continue to use the sinks?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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From the book of Bloodsage, chapter 3, verse 16:
A) The one and only reason they use the footbaths is as a prelude to prayer--that makes it an overtly religious act.B) How many people do you know who routinely bathe their feet during the middle of the day, in public places, except as a prelude to prayer?
C) Why can't they continue to use the sinks?
A. A is a statement, and its quite true.
B. I do not know anybody who does.
C. The article states that the college is paying for it because its a health and sanitation issue. The students washing their feet in the sink spill water all over the floor, supposedly. However, i fail to see why the students cannot just have their own personal foot baths, and go to their dorm, or their living space, and practice their religion at that location.
There is absolutely no need to spend 25k, on 2 foot baths, when the students themselves, seeing as it is their religion and not the college's, should be responsible for their own religious needs. If the college can spend that much on one religious group, then they should spend 25k on something meant for all the Christians at the college, and 25k on the Jewish, and 25k on the Hindus, and 25k on the Buddhists, and 25k on any other religion.
edit for a little clarity. Anakha's Wii fucked around with this message on 06-25-2007 at 01:38 PM.
Seems a good deal less expensive, im trying to imagine anyone honestly trying to put ones feet in a sink 4 feet off the ground to wash them
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Elvish Crack Piper probably says this to all the girls:
Why cant they just get some paper towels, wet them, and wash their feet off?Seems a good deal less expensive, im trying to imagine anyone honestly trying to put ones feet in a sink 4 feet off the ground to wash them
Baby wipes will clean anything. Trust me.
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Maradon! said:
I put my feet in the sink all the time and I manage to not get water everywhere.
This is how you wash your socks, isn't it.
Isn't it.
