Right at the bottom, past the insane steps like "server kills every single boss in every single heroic instance at the same time" or 600 pvp marks (freaking ow)
Very bottom, left side, am I reading that to mean that every single person that wants to enter the temple must grind fishing to 375 and catch the fish in a 2 hour window only after all the bosses go down?
So if someone new wanted to get attuned to it to join their guild there, they could only get attuned if the server downed all the bosses again to trigger the fish's window of opportunity?
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Maradon! absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
WAITWHAT DAY IS TODAY
Even funnier if you know that here the day is "poisson d'avril" or "fish of April."
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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x--BloodsageO-('-'Q) :
"poisson d'avril"
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How.... Maradon!.... uughhhhhh:
WAITWHAT DAY IS TODAY
Oh god HAHA I had ZERO idea it was april 1st
and, if you post on the forums, you get blu text and animated icon today.
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Talonusing:
The sad thing is that the actual process isn't much easier than the joke.
The actual process that doesn't exist yet?
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Maradon!'s account was hax0red to write:
The actual process that doesn't exist yet?
Considering you'll inevitably have to go through Hyjal to get there and it takes at least 7 weeks to just key a 25 man raid to attempt Hyjal currently, I wouldn't exactly expect Black Temple keying to be any easier.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
The actual process that doesn't exist yet?
He's referring to Mount Hyjal's attunement, which is quite absurd as well.
I had a real nice flowchart once upon a time that showed it all better with pretty pictures and LENS FLARE, but cannot find it anymore.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Greenlit booooze lime pole over bench lick:
He's referring to Mount Hyjal's attunement, which is quite absurd as well.I had a real nice flowchart once upon a time that showed it all better with pretty pictures and LENS FLARE, but cannot find it anymore.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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One thousand monkies on one thousand typewriters would eventually write what Maradon! said;
this one?
that's fucking crazy. Thank god I'm not in a raid guild anymore let alone play WoW.
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A sleep deprived Maradon! stammered:
this one?
Sweet baby Jesus that is going to take a very long time, even for the hardcore. 
Edit: By attune I mean the vial you need for the quest. Naimah fucked around with this message on 04-01-2007 at 02:36 PM.
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Delidgamond stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
that's fucking crazy. Thank god I'm not in a raid guild anymore let alone play WoW.
Actually, it really isn't bad until you get to Serpent Shrine and Mount Hyjal. Folks will most likely key for heroics just by running the instances normally and this will get you the Karazhan key as well. Once in Karazhan, you'll only need one person to run heroics for Nightbane.
After that it gets a bit annoying. You need to run heroic slave pens for a quest. That quest requires you kill Gruul and Nightbane to enter Serpent Shrine. Neither is particularly hard, if you're ready for Serpent Shrine, but can be annoying. Serpent Shrine is where it really gets hard and you'll have to kill the last boss 7 times to attune 28 people for Mount Hyjal. The last boss boss is a total bitch and a total luck fight for even the biggest uber guilds right now.
The chart makes it seem bad, but the progression is pretty logical and doesn't get hard until the very end. Obviously time needs to be spent, but most of that time you're going through instances for gear anyway. At the very end is where you hit overly hard and buggy content, with a total cockblock to prevent folks from going to Hyjal for as long as possible while Blizzard does whatever. Most likely Hyjal isn't finished/tested considering all the issues they've had with raid content starting as early as with Karazhan, so the cockblock is necessary too.
It's not like trying to dig through a mountain... it's more like eating through a mountain of candy, and brother there's a lot of it.
Raiding through different instances over the course of months is a lot more fun than raiding through the same instance over the course of months.
edit: typo
edit 2: WoW has a decent chart for it as well. Makes it seem less forbidding, to me anyway. Ragabash fucked around with this message on 04-01-2007 at 06:44 PM.
Hyjal chart
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Maradon! had this to say about Tron:
It's a lot less "crazy" when you realize that you'll be having loads of fun through the entire process.It's not like trying to dig through a mountain... it's more like eating through a mountain of candy, and brother there's a lot of it.
Raiding through different instances over the course of months is a lot more fun than raiding through the same instance over the course of months.
At the lower end (heroics), I'd agree. At the higher end, I'd say you've identified the problem.
The higher raid instances don't have a mountain of "candy". Much of the upper gear isn't an improvement over the lower end gear. You can even find sidegrades to stuff you got in Karazhan, heroics, or even the basic level 70 5 mans. That doesn't mean you'll do all the dungeons either really. Once you're in Serpent Shrine, it's pretty unlikely you'll go to anything other than Karazhan/Gruul/Serpent Shrine unless you want some badges.
Meanwhile, you'll have to put in significantly more time to farm for alchemy components, or money, so you can get the pots to attempt the stuff. Your gear upgrades are pots and flasks, because the normal equipment you get isn't that much better. Oh, and a little bad luck can mean a total wipe and you'll have to pot up again. Yay!
Yeah, there's lots of "candy" and lots of places to get it from. Lets face it though, the high priced uber candy isn't much better than the low cost candy and it takes twenty times as long to get it.
Once again, running different instances over the course of months just to get people keyed seems better than running the same instance over and over to get people keyed.
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Maradon! had this to say about Pirotess:
If that's the case, then why ever raid those zones at all except to key people?
Masochists? Obsession with their epeen? Hoping Blizzard does something about it now that someone other than Blizzard's "raid testers" have played with the content? The zones are necessary stepping stones to higher level zones? They want to see the content that they started playing Warcraft years ago hoping to see? Take your pick.
I suggest you take a look at this post in Elitist Jerks for more info of what I'm talking about. It was written before TBC, but is actually more applicable now than it was in the old world.
Go ahead and take a read around that forum for more of what I was talking about as well. The forum is actually quite good for high end discussion, with relatively little flaming and idiocy.
"You mean ALL FORTY PEOPLE NEED ONE!?"
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Maradon! said:
That still seems fine to me, then.Once again, running different instances over the course of months just to get people keyed seems better than running the same instance over and over to get people keyed.
That's the problem actually. Everything before Karazhan you progress through rather quickly. Karazhan takes a bit, but isn't bad and can be done in one night by higher end guilds. Gruul can take several fights to key your entire guild, but isn't that bad since he got nerfed.
Then you get to Serpent Shrine. Serpent Shrine is pretty damned hard, even for uber guilds, right now. If you can get through it, you get to Lady Vashj Lady Vashj is needed to key to Black Temple, but she's a bitch and huge luck fight for even the most uber currently. Oh, and you can only key 4 people for Hyjal every time you kill her.
That means you've got a huge cockblock for Hyjal and you'll have to run Serpent Shrine a whole bunch. 7 weeks minimum of killing her to keys just to raid Hyjal. Even more runs need to be done to key your entire guild. Fun eh?
I also wonder if her Shock ability can be blocked with Grounding Totem.
quote:SHAMANS SHAMANS SHAMANS SHAMANS SHAMANS
Willias.
Lady Vashj's Mind Control should be purgable. Would give a reason to bring shamans on the encounter. From the way Nihilum talks about the encounter though, sounds like it doesn't work.I also wonder if her Shock ability can be blocked with Grounding Totem.
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Maradon! had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
It's a lot less "crazy" when you realize that you'll be having loads of fun through the entire process.It's not like trying to dig through a mountain... it's more like eating through a mountain of candy, and brother there's a lot of it.
Raiding through different instances over the course of months is a lot more fun than raiding through the same instance over the course of months.
Been to Serpentshrine yet?
Last night I spend 3 hours clearing the trash between the first boss and the second boss, and got about 5 attempts in before respawns.
Every single trash pull took at least 5 minutes. I was burning a mana pot and two mana gems every single pull. For 3 hours.
The amount of trash in that instance is unbelievable, but even worse is how fast the respawns are. Raiding is officially not fun anymore.
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Taeldian.
Been to Serpentshrine yet?Last night I spend 3 hours clearing the trash between the first boss and the second boss, and got about 5 attempts in before respawns.
Every single trash pull took at least 5 minutes. I was burning a mana pot and two mana gems every single pull. For 3 hours.
The amount of trash in that instance is unbelievable, but even worse is how fast the respawns are. Raiding is officially not fun anymore.
