Look at this silly piglet!
Anyways, please provide Avatars for everyone to use because it will make most of us happy.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Bummey the Fool fucked around with this message on 10-24-2006 at 08:21 PM.
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Maradon! had this to say about John Romero:
I strongly disagree with all of these.
Even Fatty Ding Dong?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Karnaj absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Is this like Flowers for Algernon? I mean, the parallels are truly striking.
Best. Story. Ever.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Bent over the coffee table, Karnaj squealed:
Bah, Asimov's Foundation/Empire/Robot series is the best story ever. If I wanted to read a diary written by a retard about a mouse, I'd read my own.
I'll give you the original Foundation Trilogy. . .but not any of the communist propaganda that followed. That, and his short story about the beginning of the universe, whose name I forget at the moment. Edit: "The Last Question." Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 10-25-2006 at 03:07 PM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Monica had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I am the man they call Jayne.
xD
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Bloodsage screamed this from the crapper:
I'll give you the original Foundation Trilogy. . .but not any of the communist propaganda that followed. That, and his short story about the beginning of the universe, whose name I forget at the moment. Edit: "The Last Question."
What's so communist about it? The concept of Galaxia?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Karnaj gently hums:
What's so communist about it? The concept of Galaxia?
The whole bit about becoming one with the hive mind or whatever, and sacrificing individuality for the greater good. Don't know where the story went after that, since I dropped it like a hot potato after book four.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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And now, we sprinkle Bloodsage liberally with Old Spice!
The whole bit about becoming one with the hive mind or whatever, and sacrificing individuality for the greater good. Don't know where the story went after that, since I dropped it like a hot potato after book four.
Well then, that explains that. You really should read Foundation & Earth, though, because it handily and very coolly explains exactly why Galaxia the best choice, and why psychohistory is hopelessly flawed.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj startled the peaceful upland Gorillas, blurting:
Well then, that explains that. You really should read Foundation & Earth, though, because it handily and very coolly explains exactly why Galaxia the best choice, and why psychohistory is hopelessly flawed.
Were these later stories even written by Asimov? I thought they were from his notes, but actually written by someone else. . . ?
Anyway, I'm not sure I could hang with a story whose goal is to justify a hive mind concept as somehow good.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage still thinks SARS jokes are topical, as evidenced by:
Were these later stories even written by Asimov? I thought they were from his notes, but actually written by someone else. . . ?Anyway, I'm not sure I could hang with a story whose goal is to justify a hive mind concept as somehow good.
Asimov wrote Foundation & Earth, Prelude to Foundation, and Forward the Foundation. The were three additional novels written by others, the so-called Second Foundation trilogy: Foundation's Fear, Foundation and Chaos, and Foundation's Triumph. They were written with the blessing of the Asimov estate, I believe.
And Galaxia is not so much a good thing, as it is the only possible way humanity is going to survive, given state of affairs in the Foundationverse. Because, again, psychohistory is discovered to have a flaw which will result in humanity's destruction. In fact, the main character clearly despises the concept of Galaxia, but since he's an Asimovian protagonist, he's nothing if not rational, so he accepts it.
As a plus, if you've read the Robot series, you won't be disappointed with F&E, I can pretty much guarantee that.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Nina fucked around with this message on 10-26-2006 at 05:29 PM.
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Nina got served! Nina got served!
It's only accurate on large population numbers. Therefore, a stasticial anomaly such as a mutant like the Mule, can throw off the whole calculations and spell much trouble.
Actually, that's one of the known assumptions of psychohistory. The fatal flaw is in its unknown assumption, which is so basic yet necessary, that Hari Seldon never considered it. That is: Humanity must be the only form of intelligence in the universe for psychohistory to work. It cannot handle alien intelligences mucking shit up. Even if the second galactic empire rises, it will be fractious by its nature, and an unaccounted alien intelligence will be able to divide and conquer it, making the Seldon Plan worthless. Galaxia accounts for this by turning every single lifeform and planet in the galaxy into a unified front. When Galaxia is achieved, then, and only then, will humanity be able to bring absolutely everything it has to bear against the only true external threat: sentient alien life.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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x--KarnajO-('-'Q) :
Actually, that's one of the known assumptions of psychohistory. The fatal flaw is in its unknown assumption, which is so basic yet necessary, that Hari Seldon never considered it. That is: Humanity must be the only form of intelligence in the universe for psychohistory to work. It cannot handle alien intelligences mucking shit up. Even if the second galactic empire rises, it will be fractious by its nature, and an unaccounted alien intelligence will be able to divide and conquer it, making the Seldon Plan worthless. Galaxia accounts for this by turning every single lifeform and planet in the galaxy into a unified front. When Galaxia is achieved, then, and only then, will humanity be able to bring absolutely everything it has to bear against the only true external threat: sentient alien life.
Wait a sec, I'm not sure I get that. Granted, I've never read the book, but with no individuality there would be absolutely no diversity, and with no diversity there would be no change in anything, ever. All of existence would be a ceaseless, inescapable and eternal monotony. To me that's at least tantamount to obliteration, if not vastly more horrible.
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Maradon! had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Wait a sec, I'm not sure I get that. Granted, I've never read the book, but with no individuality there would be absolutely no diversity, and with no diversity there would be no change in anything, ever. All of existence would be a ceaseless, inescapable and eternal monotony. To me that's at least tantamount to obliteration, if not vastly more horrible.
To you the individual. Looking at it from the 'existance of the species' it would be an efficient method. Remove individuality and remove the basis for a large number of 'self-destructive conflict' (religious wars, racial wars, the need to dominate 'the inferior', etc)
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Random Insanity Generator who doth quote:
To you the individual. Looking at it from the 'existance of the species' it would be an efficient method. Remove individuality and remove the basis for a large number of 'self-destructive conflict' (religious wars, racial wars, the need to dominate 'the inferior', etc)
You're missing the fact that it would mean utter and inescapable stagnation.
You'd be a single entity, utterly alone in an empty universe with only burning balls of gas for company.
For all eternity.
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Maradon! had this to say about Knight Rider:
You're missing the fact that it would mean utter and inescapable stagnation.You'd be a single entity, utterly alone in an empty universe with only burning balls of gas for company.
For all eternity.
But you wouldn't care.
-H
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Hellbender booooze lime pole over bench lick:
But you wouldn't care.
Why not?
When has the sum total of human knowledge ever been enough to satisfy humans?
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Maradon! had this to say about Tron:
Why not?When has the sum total of human knowledge ever been enough to satisfy humans?
I haven't read the thing, but I'm guessing the whole point would be that we change into something "greater" into what we currently are. The thought process being that our strong sense of individualism is what limits us from achieving more. Man's greatest threat is man itself and all that. So, all of mankind must devote itself to nothing else but the advancement of mankind.
I'm not sure I buy into that thought process, myself. Or, at least, if diversity is what limits us from conquering the galaxy, I'm OK with being limited.
-H
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
quote:It sounds kind of like that, though it might work if they meet a few critical conditions, the most critical of which being motivation. Conditions that motivate an individual will not affect a collective, so the collective needs a new source of motivation.
When they turned on the Infinite Improbability Drive, Maradon! stammered,
The idea is saved by Deus Ex Machina then?
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Peanut butter ass Shaq `Doc booooze lime pole over bench lick:
It sounds kind of like that, though it might work if they meet a few critical conditions, the most critical of which being motivation. Conditions that motivate an individual will not affect a collective, so the collective needs a new source of motivation.
Motivate it to do what though? What exactly would a single entity floating in the vastness of space for all eternity have to do with it's time?
quote:Seek knowledge, power, and/or the improvement of its overall comfort level.
Ninety-nine bottles of Maradon! on the wall, ninety-nine bottles of Maradon!...
Motivate it to do what though? What exactly would a single entity floating in the vastness of space for all eternity have to do with it's time?
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Aw, geez, I have Maradon! all over myself!
Motivate it to do what though? What exactly would a single entity floating in the vastness of space for all eternity have to do with it's time?
The most pressing need is the motivation to defend itself against that which the Seldon Plan did not account for: extragalactic alien threat. In the Foundationverse, FTL travel is, more or less, instantaneous, so once you clear a large gravity field, you can zip to any place in the universe you want to go. Belligerent aliens could, suddenly and without provocation, plant ships at each of the 25 million inhabited systems and blow the planets away without too much of a huff. Galaxia, in addition to unifying all humans, brings the mentalic powers of every life form to bear against its targets in full strength. What this means, without getting too detailed, is that the instant an alien shows up, it will not only be detected as being "outside" of Galaxia, it will be easily neutralized and destroyed, if necessary. The other alternative, the Second Galactic Empire, could never hope to achieve that.
Asimov loved to write about paternalism; the idea of Galaxia, for reasons I cannot divulge without ruining one of the greatest "Holy Shit!" moments in all of sci-fi, is the greatest expression of this theme.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
