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Topic: So, I run a child care center.
Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 06-14-2006 12:17:40 PM
The school has been around 33 years now, offering child care for kids 6 months to 12 years. We offer after-school classes for grade schoolers and a summer camp program to keep the summer interesting for grade-schoolers.

Normally our enrollment is pretty steady during the summer, around 25 to 35 grade-schoolers during peak times. However, this year we're down to 9 kids enrolled. The cause? A state-controlled park district program.

They charge less than we do because they are heavily funded by the government.

They go on more field trips because of their ties to various park district places. (Pools and the like)

They don't have to pay for their facilities as they work out of the local grade school, giving them gymnasiums and libraries.

Being a part of the park district, they do not have to get qualified teachers, nor adhere to the teacher/student ratio that actual child care centers do. (The average is about 40 kids to one teacher, but there's no limit; and they don't have to have any college background or training.)

Whereas we provide a daily lunch program along with two snack times each day, (And all the inspections/regulations that go along with that) the park district has the kids bring in their own lunches.

Topping it off, we've got to pay taxes to our city, which then puts the money into our competition's pockets.

We've got some people working on the issue politically, but it leaves me personally without any way to get kids back into our business. Any ideas of how to combat this?

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Sean
posted 06-14-2006 12:19:43 PM
Time to run a negative ad campaign.
A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 06-14-2006 12:23:45 PM
Accuse the park program of running a child porn ring.

You're pretty screwed.

Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 06-14-2006 12:57:42 PM
quote:
They charge less than we do because they are heavily funded by the government

This might be something you can try to get changed.

Apply for gov't funding. If you follow all the dovernmental guidlines, whats to stop you?

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-14-2006 01:02:07 PM
quote:
Azakias attempted to be funny by writing:
This might be something you can try to get changed.

Apply for gov't funding. If you follow all the dovernmental guidlines, whats to stop you?


If he tries for force the government to raise th rate that they are charging then he is out to get the poor man.

To put it mildly you are fucked in the ass RK. This is why government should stay out of things where the public sector is already doing a passable job.

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 06-14-2006 01:06:58 PM
quote:
Aw, geez, I have Naimah all over myself!
If he tries for force the government to raise th rate that they are charging then he is out to get the poor man.

To put it mildly you are fucked in the ass RK. This is why government should stay out of things where the public sector is already doing a passable job.


Private sector, you closet communist sympathizer.

That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-14-2006 01:09:05 PM
Anytime you find yourself asking the internet for advice on important life or business issues, you're already screwed.
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 06-14-2006 01:12:29 PM
quote:
We were all impressed when Karnaj wrote:
Private sector, you closet communist sympathizer.

That's what I get for not proofreading.

Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 06-14-2006 04:05:56 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Naimah!
If he tries for force the government to raise th rate that they are charging then he is out to get the poor man.

To put it mildly you are fucked in the ass RK. This is why government should stay out of things where the public sector is already doing a passable job.


I meant, apply for federal aide. Nothing's stopping him from, doing so.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Mod
Pancake
posted 06-14-2006 04:12:31 PM
Position yourself as a premium service for those who do not want to mix their kids with filthy plebes who could previously not afford child care by upping rates to astronomic heights and lowering the staff / pupil ratio, hire a completely usless armed security squad to look menacing and harp on the fact that all your employees are background-checked by PIs to keep the ever-present pervert spirits out.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 06-14-2006 04:19:35 PM
Not to be ugly, but it isn't as if the vast majority of school teachers rock all summer. A great many end up working a second job. Most school districts give you the option of either taking pay year round, or taking higher pay, but only when school is in session. You can make more by teaching summer school, etc, but I know a great many teachers spend at least part of the summer doing supplemental work elsewhere.

I don't, frankly, see why it should be any different for you. Your place of business seems to be doing something already provided elsewhere. Whether it's new or not, whining about it isn't going to fix anything. Granted, I agree you have certain points in your favor (class to teacher ratio, etc), you hit the parents where the publically-funded version doesn't: the pocketbook. Welcome to capitalism.

Plus, to be perfectly honest, the "my taxes go to pay the competition" thing is pretty lame. That's like being a security guy and whining that you're paying for police "competition".

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 06-14-2006 09:08:17 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael said this about your mom:
Plus, to be perfectly honest, the "my taxes go to pay the competition" thing is pretty lame. That's like being a security guy and whining that you're paying for police "competition".

Pssst.... I'm paying my own paycheck.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 06-14-2006 10:26:04 PM
Heh, me too.

I disagree on your analogy Deth, cops versus private security offer different kinds of service. Having police in a town doesn't mean you aren't going to hire security.

Now, if the government ran a private security establishment where you had someone on hand 24 hours a day like a regular security group, that was governemnt funded, and cheaper.

He is directly paying his competition, as they provide the identical broad services with only minor changes to the details.

RK, I see this kind of like a government soup kitchen, your getting lower quality than at a grocery store, but you accept that because your poor.

Go lobby the mayor or something.

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Leftover Mog
No, the spelling errors are not intentional
posted 06-14-2006 10:44:52 PM
Mods post was kinda a hyberbole, but he's right, if you want to twin you gotta make the parents think their kids are too good for the public one
Won't you be my friend

"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 06-14-2006 11:45:34 PM
The vast majority of government employees pay taxes, so the argument of "I pay their salary!" is retarded, as they pay too.
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 06-15-2006 12:05:12 AM
quote:
Azakias wrote this stupid crap:
Pssst.... I'm paying my own paycheck.

I'm paying yours, too.

Let's see some backflips. Earn my money, woman.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Skaw
posted 06-15-2006 03:33:26 AM
quote:
Bloodsage painfully thought these words up:
Anytime you find yourself asking the internet for advice on important life or business issues, you're already screwed.

Because a tool with vast amounts of information, and people who more than likely have gone through a similiar situation/work in a field that's used for things like this, can never be helpful, right?

Sorry Granps, did you miss your meds? I know, technology is the devil.

Skaw fucked around with this message on 06-15-2006 at 03:34 AM.

Gork
Pancake
posted 06-15-2006 03:55:03 AM
quote:
Skaw had this to say about Duck Tales:
Because a tool with vast amounts of information, and people who more than likely have gone through a similiar situation/work in a field that's used for things like this, can never be helpful, right?

Sorry Granps, did you miss your meds? I know, technology is the devil.


I think that was more along the lines of "If you are asking for help from a bunch of dumbshits on a MMORPG forum." Rather than. "Other Private Childcare Providers."

Another Unsolved Mystery is goin' down in history.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 06-15-2006 10:21:28 AM
The specifics may have been bad in my example, but the sentiment nonetheless fits. If there's some federal or state-run system that's cheaper but marginally in competition with you, then you're going to pay into it. You don't get to choose where YOUR dollars go. It's assinine to think that griping about government-funded projects is a valid excuse in cases like this. Sure it's a kick in the pants, but as several folks in the thread have pointed out, they essentially pay their own paychecks, etc. Silly, isn't it.

The simple fact is that if the government is offering something like their program, there's apparently need enough for it that it's become something the great penny pinchers are willing to fork over resources for. For instance: air conditioning even a small school in the off-season is an EXPENSIVE proposition. Much less running all the other functions.

If the service provided by a private company is superior, you'd best make sure everyone knows how superior it is (backed with facts) and essentially point out why it's worth paying you for the service.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-15-2006 02:39:17 PM
quote:
Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Skaw absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Because a tool with vast amounts of information, and people who more than likely have gone through a similiar situation/work in a field that's used for things like this, can never be helpful, right?

Sorry Granps, did you miss your meds? I know, technology is the devil.


You're right! It's so easy to filter the wheat from the chaff, because no one ever would even think to give advice on a subject they know nothing about. It's not like every idiot has an opinion whether or not he understands the issues or relevant laws, so anything you hear on the internet is based in experience and deep understanding. And it's so easy to check credentials, too!

Whatever was I thinking?

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Mod
Pancake
posted 06-15-2006 04:50:51 PM
Another idea would be to, if you have sufficient capacities and whatever the government is running is hitting peak, contact the relevant local official about integrating your daycare into the government program. Seeing as you already have fully trained and experienced staff as well as facilities they may decide to subsidize you at least by giving you the same access to public land your competition has instead of having you go out of business and being forced to creade additional daycares from scratch.

Seriously though, it seems that even parents who can afford your rates prefer the cheaper government low-quality daycare for the price. As there seems to be no demand for your service at the current price and you cannot lower your prices, you will have to offer a form of business the government is not competing as strongly with. Offer some sort of religious education, offer diet programs for overweight kids with weekly dietary reports for the parents, offer some sort of bilingual education program, etc, in short move out of the government-controlled market and into another segment.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Vorbis
Vend-A-Goat
posted 06-15-2006 04:56:35 PM
Or you could admit that your life is forfeit since you asked the internet for help.
Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 06-16-2006 12:51:28 AM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Mod wrote:
As there seems to be no demand for your service at the current price and you cannot lower your prices, you will have to offer a form of business the government is not competing as strongly with.

That's what we've been forced to do lately, as the state doesn't offer child care to babies up through 4 years old. So we've been floating on our babies lately; we'll also be changing aspects of our summer camp program to better compete against the state. Thanks for the help everyone.

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Cavalier-
Pancake
posted 06-16-2006 07:01:38 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Rodent King wrote:
we've been floating on our babies lately

You can use those things as flotation devices too??

Holy life-preservers Batman!!

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