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Topic: Antiviral stockpiling
Pvednes
Lynched
posted 06-10-2006 01:02:43 AM
So, anyone been procuring a precautionary course of Tamiflu or Relenza? Or, are you on the shortlist for the national stockpiles?
Mooj
Scorned Fanboy
posted 06-10-2006 01:33:09 AM
Allow me to be the first to ask...

Wut?

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 06-10-2006 02:49:12 AM
Nope. The bird flu can kiss my ass along with Y2K and killer bees.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Maradon!
posted 06-10-2006 02:49:49 AM
quote:
x--JooJooFlopO-('-'Q) :
Nope. The bird flu can kiss my ass along with Y2K and killer bees.

Don't forget SARS.

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 06-10-2006 02:52:31 AM
quote:
Maradon! stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Don't forget SARS.

Or its dissapointing sequel Monkeypox.

Or the post-9/11 chemical attack scare that was no small blessing for the duct tape industry.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Maradon!
posted 06-10-2006 03:00:32 AM
I defy God to kill me with the bird flu.
Maradon!
posted 06-10-2006 03:05:36 AM
I guess I probably shouldn't have said that while currently experiencing flu-like symptoms but hey that's just how much of a badass I am.
The Riddler
Pancake
posted 06-10-2006 10:09:37 AM
No, sorry, I don't think we get "crazy yellow people" disease over here.
BATMAN?!
Sean
posted 06-10-2006 12:53:39 PM
The worst thing I've had in the past five years was pinkeye.

And my body fought that off in two days without the aid of antibiotics. BRING IT ON.

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Blackened
posted 06-10-2006 01:20:52 PM
quote:
Sean.
The worst thing I've had in the past five years was pinkeye.

And my body fought that off in two days without the aid of antibiotics. BRING IT ON.


I think that this 'bird flu' is supposedly more deadly to the healthier people.

Just sayin'.


Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 06-10-2006 01:39:13 PM
quote:
Blackened thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I think that this 'bird flu' is supposedly more deadly to the healthier people.

Just sayin'.


Yeah, something about the flu casuing your immune system to go haywire so the stronger it is the more damage it does to you.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Leftover Mog
No, the spelling errors are not intentional
posted 06-10-2006 01:40:22 PM
I was feeling fine this mourning, agreed with Maradon, then I read this thread and played mtgo, now I feel like ass =(

I'm sapsoed to play dodgeball in an hour, not sure if I'm gonna make it though.

Won't you be my friend

"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 06-10-2006 03:33:25 PM
Bird flu as it is currently isn't such a problem, unless you're working with poultry, or pigs, or something. The problem will arise when someone with seasonal flu gets exposed to bird flu, and it recombines into something nasty.

Then we get Pandemic flu, which is always bad news. It happens every generation or so, and rarely fails to kill millions of people. With the emergence of highly pathogenic H5N1, as there is now, it's more or less a sure bet, and we're really due for one.

Plus once it does occur, the vaccine will take roughly six months from development to mass distribution, by which time the damage will essentially already be done. Antiviral drugs are then a very good way to protect yourself in those six months, but the supply is limited, so it's prudent to get some while you can, even if the advisories disagree.

Unless of course you're on the list, in which case you should probably disagree, too.

Pvednes fucked around with this message on 06-10-2006 at 03:43 PM.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-10-2006 05:02:05 PM
Of course, the last pandemic was right about 100 years ago, and medical science hasn't improved at all since. If it happens, it'll certainly suck to be a poor person in a 3rd-world country, but I'm not holding my breath that half the healthy populace in the US will croak.

Alarmism is just the in-thing these days, because it attracts media attention, which then justifies grant $$, which in turn keeps academics happy. Remember all the hype about weaponized anthrax? Ooooh, scaaareey! How many people died in the attack we had? Oh, yeah: 3 or 4.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Sakkra
Office Linebacker
posted 06-10-2006 05:03:56 PM
quote:
We were all impressed when Bloodsage wrote:
Of course, the last pandemic was right about 100 years ago, and medical science hasn't improved at all since. If it happens, it'll certainly suck to be a poor person in a 3rd-world country, but I'm not holding my breath that half the healthy populace in the US will croak.

Alarmism is just the in-thing these days, because it attracts media attention, which then justifies grant $$, which in turn keeps academics happy. Remember all the hype about weaponized anthrax? Ooooh, scaaareey! How many people died in the attack we had? Oh, yeah: 3 or 4.


But the TV movies said it'd be bad! And without them to inform us, who will?

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 06-10-2006 05:16:13 PM
quote:
From the book of Bloodsage, chapter 3, verse 16:
Of course, the last pandemic was right about 100 years ago, and medical science hasn't improved at all since. If it happens, it'll certainly suck to be a poor person in a 3rd-world country, but I'm not holding my breath that half the healthy populace in the US will croak.

Alarmism is just the in-thing these days, because it attracts media attention, which then justifies grant $$, which in turn keeps academics happy. Remember all the hype about weaponized anthrax? Ooooh, scaaareey! How many people died in the attack we had? Oh, yeah: 3 or 4.


Actually, the last one was in 1968, which was a wussy one that only killed three quarters of a million people. There've been those kinds of pandemics in 1900, 1918, 1957 and 1968 last century. There's been two or three a century documented since records on that sort of thing began. Either way, now that we've got a new strain gearing to pounce, it's inevitable that it will happen again.

As for the improvements in medical science since then, hey, guess what! Antiviral drugs and vaccines!

Pvednes fucked around with this message on 06-10-2006 at 05:16 PM.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-10-2006 07:04:01 PM
ONOS! A flu pandemic that killed fewer people than are killed annually in car accidents throughout the world! Whatever shall we do.

These things, as you point out, happen regularly, and are nothing in particular to worry about, since the odds of being killed on the way to work in traffic are probably much higher. Preparation is fine; irresponsible fearmongering isn't.

So neener.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 06-10-2006 08:58:32 PM
Well, preparation is what I'm talking about. Are you prepared or not?

The 1968 one was caused by antigenic drift, so wasn't quite as lethal as others. The 1918 one was caused by antigenic shift--which is what's expected to happen with this one. It killed well over 25 million people.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 06-10-2006 09:03:14 PM
From what I heard, things like Tamiflu were already pretty much useless, due to half-assed use during the early stages of the H5N1 treatment. They used diluted amounts or didn't go a full regimen of it in Asia and now there's reason to believe H5N1 is resistant to it. So all those insane numbers of orders and stockpiles people have arranged may be pretty useless.

Assuming we get massive outbreaks of person-to-person pandemic flu, I plan on being smart. I'll jack up my intake of vitamins and so forth, be careful about paying attention to where confirmed (not suspected) outbreaks occur, and try to get through it as intelligently as possible. If nothing else, things like West Nile, SARS, etc have taught me that you live happier and longer by paying attention to actual facts than giving in to hysteria. Especially when it hasn't actually happened yet.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 06-10-2006 09:18:22 PM
No, they're not useless, it'll still help. There's some (about 2%, according to RxList) resistance to oseltamivir and far less to zanamivir, but even then, it slows the infection down.

These sort of drugs aren't a replacement for normal measures, (coughing into your arm, proper hygiene, vaccines, social distancing measures, quarantine, etc) they're a supplement to them. Quite an effective supplement, in fact.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 06-10-2006 10:14:33 PM
The other thing is, I would think health care professionals and people more likely to be exposed to infected folk (along with the elderly, kids, and folks with weakened immune systems) should have precedence over me. The worst thing I get is ear infections.
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Peter
Pancake
posted 06-10-2006 10:25:27 PM
I don't live in a 3rd world country, could care less really. More concerned about possible contamination of our food stocks.
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