I keep forgetting that liberals regard logical discourse that they don't agree with as hostility. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-29-2006 at 10:31 PM.
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Verily, JooJooFlop doth proclaim:
Thanks for letting us know you argue about politics in WoW.
Yeah exactly. Shit, my camp popped! But wait, I must retort to this radical pinko.
Also, Fazum'Zen Fastfist fucked around with this message on 04-30-2006 at 10:22 AM.
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
Edit: Also, Maradon, you seriously need to adjust your arguing style. I agree with a lot of what you say (because I know my stance on most of the issues you debate is similar to yours), but you're so bad at making your point that I often find myself irrationally disagreeing with you in my head. If your intention is to convince people and not waste your time, cut the aggression.
Edit 2: This is just in general, I didn't actually read your lame chatlog. MC Jensizzle fucked around with this message on 04-30-2006 at 03:14 PM.
Pvednes fucked around with this message on 04-30-2006 at 03:15 PM.
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
nice 1 faz MC Jensizzle fucked around with this message on 04-30-2006 at 03:15 PM.
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Manticore had this to say about (_|_):
This is something you'd see in Barren's Chat.
The people in Barrens chat are too busy talking about Chuck Norris to discuss politics.
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Ruvyen painfully thought these words up:
The people in Barrens chat are too busy talking about Chuck Norris to discuss politics.
Want to know something creepy?
On the Ysera server, Barrens chat does not exist. O_o
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There was much rejoicing when Willias said this:
Want to know something creepy?On the Ysera server, Barrens chat does not exist. O_o
I bet that's like in EQ before the Bazaar came along and certain zones were designated as that server's auction zone. If you play in whatever zone you're used to being the auction zone but for some reason or another it isn't on that server, it feels creepy and lonely.
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MC Jensizzle wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Edit: Also, Maradon, you seriously need to adjust your arguing style. I agree with a lot of what you say (because I know my stance on most of the issues you debate is similar to yours), but you're so bad at making your point that I often find myself irrationally disagreeing with you in my head. If your intention is to convince people and not waste your time, cut the aggression.Edit 2: This is just in general, I didn't actually read your lame chatlog.
Exactly! I like Maradon. I agree with him on a lot of fine points, but my kneejerk reaction even when he's making fine points I agree with is to disagree because he doesn't know how to argue it without relying on one or two keyphrases.
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Communist scum.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
When explaining the recent riots here, my grammar prof for the last term used catchphrases directly out of Marx, as did several leaders of major unions. Worse, though, was that no one else in the class recognized it. . .and I'm not sure the quote was intentional, either. Hell, "bourgeois" is still a typical isult, here, and they use "bobo" (short for "bourgeois bohème") like we use "yuppie" in the States.
So while Maradon often misses the boat in attributing everything to Marx. . .it's also not really fair to claim Marx's influence isn't still present, especially here in Europe.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Punky Brewster:
So while Maradon often misses the boat in attributing everything to Marx. . .it's also not really fair to claim Marx's influence isn't still present, especially here in Europe.
It's not that Maradon invokes comparisons with Marx, it's that he invokes them as a complete blanket condemention of anyone to the economic left of Ayn Rand and that he takes it as given that anything in any way connected to Marx must be utterly terrible. You can pick out Marxist influence in particular instances, sure, but you'd still have to show why the position is false beyond pointing out that it may have been influenced by Marx.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Bent over the coffee table, Karnaj squealed:
It may be that they're using Marx the way a lot of other people use Marx: as the source of an occasional handy quote. I myself drop the "Religion is the opiate of the masses" bit from time to time.
I wish it were that benign. It's more like some people believe--without often even understanding the source of the economic catechisms they quote--the basic tenets of Marxism.
As Mod proves above, Marx is pretty much the starting assumption in an economic discussion here--anyone who wants to say anything different must first show why Mark doesn't work. The burden of proof is on anyone who contradicts Marx.
Edit: although, to be fair, there is a growing movement that recognizes the necessity to move toward freer markets in order to compete worldwide. But we saw how far even the hint of linking job security with job performance got, here at least. People expect to be given job security and economic prosperity, not to earn it as a result of their actions, with the inherent chance that they might not succeed, or not succeed as well as somebody else. Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 05-02-2006 at 12:00 PM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage wrote this stupid crap:
As Mod proves above, Marx is pretty much the starting assumption in an economic discussion here--anyone who wants to say anything different must first show why Mark doesn't work. The burden of proof is on anyone who contradicts Marx.Edit: although, to be fair, there is a growing movement that recognizes the necessity to move toward freer markets in order to compete worldwide. But we saw how far even the hint of linking job security with job performance got, here at least. People expect to be given job security and economic prosperity, not to earn it as a result of their actions, with the inherent chance that they might not succeed, or not succeed as well as somebody else.
Not really, if I replied to your second paragraph with "That's textbook Rand" you'd still want me to show why this makes your argument false, this would not make Rand the starting assumption in any economic discussion.
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Quoth Mod:
Not really, if I replied to your second paragraph with "That's textbook Rand" you'd still want me to show why this makes your argument false, this would not make Rand the starting assumption in any economic discussion.
You have a point. 
I shouldn't overgeneralize, but here, at least, a lot of people still talk in phrases directly out of Marx, and many of his ideas are simply taken as given. It's frightening, in the 21st century.
Edit: for the record, I'm no more a Rayn fan than I am a Marx fan. Anarchy and total control are both bad, unworkable ideas. Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 05-02-2006 at 12:30 PM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage still thinks SARS jokes are topical, as evidenced by:
You have a point.I shouldn't overgeneralize, but here, at least, a lot of people still talk in phrases directly out of Marx, and many of his ideas are simply taken as given. It's frightening, in the 21st century.
Edit: for the record, I'm no more a Rayn fan than I am a Marx fan. Anarchy and total control are both bad, unworkable ideas.
Just tell them that they're making Marxism into a religion, and the government will pass a law banning it. 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Quoth Karnaj:
Just tell them that they're making Marxism into a religion, and the government will pass a law banning it.
Interesting thought!
I was stunned when I read an interview with a student union* leader here, who took offense at the notion that the people breaking things and pillaging were a fringe element detracting from the demonstrations. She said that what the government did--passing a law giving employers more flexibility to hire and fire young people--was tantamount to violence against them, so it was therefore perfectly appropriate to respond with violence. 
*Not the same kind of "student union" we have in the US; it's more like the AFL-CIO kind of union.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
/sarcasm
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Anakha got a whole lot of nerve:
Heaven forbid people actually have to work for their jobs? GOOD LORD! We must make sure everybody has a job and no one has to compete for them!/sarcasm
Why are you actually responding to the content of his WoW arguments?
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Liam had this to say about Pirotess:
Why are you actually responding to the content of his WoW arguments?
Because if none of us bothered to read it, we can't refute him.
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Demos has funnier quote texts than me:
Because if none of us bothered to read it, we can't refute him.
What's there to refute? He's showing us that he argues politics in WoW.
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Liam came out of the closet to say:
What's there to refute? He's showing us that he argues politics in WoW.
Maybe that's why he hated EQ, because of all the damn liberals. 
