Myself, I don't know if I can hack it. I go to the movies to be entertained, not emotionally destroyed.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
I might be interested.
Thats my only real beef with movies based off real-life events. If I wanted to revisit the past, in regards to this event, I'd look up sources already available.
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Malbiing:
I feel it is too soon for a movie on this subject to come out.
It's been FIVE YEARS man how long do you want.
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Skaw was naked while typing this:
Hey guys how do you think this movie will end?Thats my only real beef with movies based off real-life events. If I wanted to revisit the past, in regards to this event, I'd look up sources already available.
Jesus dies.
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Skaw startled the peaceful upland Gorillas by blurting:
Hey guys how do you think this movie will end?Thats my only real beef with movies based off real-life events. If I wanted to revisit the past, in regards to this event, I'd look up sources already available.
Oddly enough, the ending is the only part I've heard criticized. Since the families were granted editorial control, and since no one could possibly admit that their dead relative probably wasn't one of the ones who broke into the cockpit. . .they all do.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Knight Rider:
Since the families were granted editorial control, and since no one could possibly admit that their dead relative probably wasn't one of the ones who broke into the cockpit. . .they all do.
I wasn't planning to see this movie before now. Now I can't get the image of this out my head and need to see if it plays out in the movie like it does in my head.
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Verily, Maradon! doth proclaim:
The directors failed to realize how fashionable it is to be indifferent towards 9/11
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It's been FIVE YEARS man how long do you want.
Oh the irony 
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Maradon! probably says this to all the girls:
The directors failed to realize how fashionable it is to be indifferent towards 9/11
Why should someone with no connection to any of the dead or to be far anyone outside Washington or NYC be anything but indifferent towards it?
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Freschel Spindrift spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Nope, I won't. I hate depressing movies. Also I'm not watching "The Celestine Prophecy".
...how the hell can you make a movie based on that?
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Quoth Mod:
Why should someone with no connection to any of the dead or to be far anyone outside Washington or NYC be anything but indifferent towards it?
Are you fucking stupid, or just trying to be an ass?
Here's your answer anyway: for the same reason Australia is making a national to-do over the death of a single soldier. For the same reason India is up in arms about the hostage found dead in Afghanistan. Because thousands of people were killed in a deliberate attack on our nation and our way of life, the worst single attack in our history made worse by the fact that it targeted civilians exclusively.
It's quite fair to say that any adult in the West indifferent to what happened on 9-11 is either an enemy of democracy, stupid, a completely insensitive prick, or a combination of the three.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Kermitov said:
Oh the irony
Sarcasm.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Bloodsage said:
It's quite fair to say that any adult in the West indifferent to what happened on 9-11 is either an enemy of democracy, stupid, a completely insensitive prick, or a combination of the three.
I'm pretty sure multiple 9/11s went on in Sudan and people aren't up in arms over it. Most wars take a few 9/11s in civillian casualties. Sanctions against Iraq probably got a few Twin Towers worth of civillians. The fact that civillians aren't targeted exclusively in some of those cases may migitate guilt on the side of the offender, but they do not in any way lessen the tragedy inflicted upon the dead and their families.
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Mod had this to say about Duck Tales:
I'm pretty sure multiple 9/11s went on in Sudan and people aren't up in arms over it. Most wars take a few 9/11s in civillian casualties. Sanctions against Iraq probably got a few Twin Towers worth of civillians. The fact that civillians aren't targeted exclusively in some of those cases may migitate guilt on the side of the offender, but they do not in any way lessen the tragedy inflicted upon the dead and their families.
Yes, but you see... The cultures of Sudan and Iraq are entirely different than that of the United States.
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Mod startled the peaceful upland Gorillas by blurting:
I'm pretty sure multiple 9/11s went on in Sudan and people aren't up in arms over it. Most wars take a few 9/11s in civillian casualties. Sanctions against Iraq probably got a few Twin Towers worth of civillians. The fact that civillians aren't targeted exclusively in some of those cases may migitate guilt on the side of the offender, but they do not in any way lessen the tragedy inflicted upon the dead and their families.
You just don't get it, do you.
First, zero 9-lls happened anywhere outside New York, New York.
Second, what the government of Sudan is doing to its people is a tragedy but doesn't constitute the opening volley in a war against modern civilization. It's hypocritical to decry the absence of action against Sudan and the war in Iraq in the same breath--either you're for action, or inaction in cases of internal government repression; you can't be both
Third, the sanctions against Iraq hurt exactly zero civilians. Any civilians who suffered during that time did so at the hand of Saddam, who bears exclusive responsibility for their fates.
Fourth, as for war itself killing civilians, there's no comparison. You've taken the logically indefensible position that there is no difference between unintended and intended consequences, regardless of the goal or any precautions taken. Doesn't wash.
If you can't distinguish between war and terrorism, then you're not thinking. Or is it really your contention that we should just roll over and let evil dictators rule the world because anything we might do in defense is just as bad as what they would?
Edit: obtw nice transition from, "Everyone should be indifferent," to, "It's all so very tragic there's no way to tell the difference." Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 04-30-2006 at 05:28 PM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Manticore gently hums:
Yes, but you see... The cultures of Sudan and Iraq are entirely different than that of the United States.
You should probably STFU right about now. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you have no hope of contributing anything useful.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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How.... Bloodsage.... uughhhhhh:
You should probably STFU right about now. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you have no hope of contributing anything useful.
K
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ACES! Another post by Bloodsage:
Or is it really your contention that we should just roll over and let evil dictators rule the world because anything we might do in defense is just as bad as what they would?
Isolationism for the win?
Not possible for America blah blah blah. I know.
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This one time, at Bloodsage camp:
Second, what the government of Sudan is doing to its people is a tragedy but doesn't constitute the opening volley in a war against modern civilization. It's hypocritical to decry the absence of action against Sudan and the war in Iraq in the same breath--either you're for action, or inaction in cases of internal government repression; you can't be both
I disagree... although they are both cases of "internal government repression" Sudan is/was a much more immediate crisis than Iraq. It faulty to say that intervention in Iraq = intervention in Sudan. There are shades of urgency to a crisis.
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Bloodsage got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
First, zero 9-lls happened anywhere outside New York, New York.
Washington DC.
HEY EVERYONE!! I BEAT BLOODSAGE IN AN ARGUMENT!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! does the Ric Flair strut
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Talonusing:
Isolationism for the win?Not possible for America blah blah blah. I know.
Not possible or desireable for any country.
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So quoth Bloodsage:
You just don't get it, do you.First, zero 9-lls happened anywhere outside New York, New York.
Second, what the government of Sudan is doing to its people is a tragedy but doesn't constitute the opening volley in a war against modern civilization. It's hypocritical to decry the absence of action against Sudan and the war in Iraq in the same breath--either you're for action, or inaction in cases of internal government repression; you can't be both
Third, the sanctions against Iraq hurt exactly zero civilians. Any civilians who suffered during that time did so at the hand of Saddam, who bears exclusive responsibility for their fates.
Fourth, as for war itself killing civilians, there's no comparison. You've taken the logically indefensible position that there is no difference between unintended and intended consequences, regardless of the goal or any precautions taken. Doesn't wash.
If you can't distinguish between war and terrorism, then you're not thinking. Or is it really your contention that we should just roll over and let evil dictators rule the world because anything we might do in defense is just as bad as what they would?
Edit: obtw nice transition from, "Everyone should be indifferent," to, "It's all so very tragic there's no way to tell the difference."
You're oversimplifying the issue of intervention. A military campaign against an oppressive government will have completely different outcomes in different situations. Trying to stabilize a country hostile to the west which is already on the brink of dissolution and civil war by establishing a completely new government is vastly different from, say, moving into the Kurdish areas of Iraq back when Saddam was actually gassing them, establishing protected sectors in Dafur or supporting a Northern Alliance takeover of Afghanistan. It's perfectly reasonable to, for example, say that a full takeover of Iraq has created more issues than it solved while maintainging that supporting a theoretical democratic insurgency in Iran would be a good idea.
Bin Laden has been waging his war against western civilization (although in practice it's more of a war on US involvment in the Middle East) for decades already. Yes he managed to murder a bunch of people, but when it comes down to it so did the Hutu, Augusto Pinochet and Slobodan Milosevic and yet their victims were seen as tragic deaths during the course of a social or political conflict, not the end of the world order as we know it.
Intent is only relevant when trying to judge the morality of the actor, to the victim it makes little difference whether he is considered an acceptable loss, tragic accident or deliberate target. 4000 people killed by suicide bombers is no more of a tragedy than 4000 people killed by a chemical spill or wild boars.
As for your edit, yeah, I should have written something like "... any less indifferent than to any other loss of life in that scale".
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Maradon! was all like:
It's been FIVE YEARS man how long do you want.
It took 20 years after WW2 for a movie to come out.
I'm not a big fan of historical fictions.
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FUCK. MOTHERFUCKING SHIT. DO YOU FUCKING KNOW HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE? SHIT. FUCK. It's not your fault, TheOriginalZane.
It took 20 years after WW2 for a movie to come out.
FUCK. MOTHERFUCKING SHIT. DO YOU FUCKING KNOW HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE? SHIT. FUCK.
It's not something people hear about.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Sean said:
FUCK. MOTHERFUCKING SHIT. DO YOU FUCKING KNOW HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE? SHIT. FUCK.
whoops TheOriginalZane fucked around with this message on 05-02-2006 at 12:41 AM.
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TheOriginalZane had this to say about Pirotess:
It took 20 years after WW2 for a movie to come out.
I'm not a big fan of historical fictions.
a better comparison would have been when was the first movie about the holocaust, specifically the experiences of the Death Camps
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Malbi stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
a better comparison would have been when was the first movie about the holocaust, specifically the experiences of the Death Camps
No, actually comparing like...several million people getting tortured and killed is very different from a terrorist attack killing ~3000 people.
Comparing it to Pearl Harbor is more realistic. Mr. John Q. Gainsborough Esq. III fucked around with this message on 05-03-2006 at 12:12 AM.
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How.... Malbi.... uughhhhhh:
ahh true...so when did "Tora! Tora!" hit Theaters?
Never. "Tora! Tora! Tora!" came out in 1970 though.
