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Naimah must read alot of poetry:
Ok so a liberal commentary. What's the big deal, the papers have been saying this for a week now.
It's liberal because it is criticizing a conservative, is that what you're saying?
Because it sounds like common fucking sense to me. 
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Blindy. had this to say about pies:
It's liberal because it is criticizing a conservative, is that what you're saying?Because it sounds like common fucking sense to me.
You think anything criticizing Bush is common sense.
Hell, you think that some publicity-mongering rapper slamming Bush is the must-see political commentary of the year.
That said, though, I agree with a lot of what this reporter is saying, but we've heard it a million times before.
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x--Blindy.O-('-'Q) :
It's liberal because it is criticizing a conservative, is that what you're saying?Because it sounds like common fucking sense to me.
First off, he's not criticizing a conservative. Second, he's wrong about a couple of things.
He tries several times to place the blame for the levy breaking on a lack of federal funding. First off, the party of the levy that broke was a part that had just BEEN upgraded in compliance with state hurricane ordinances, so a lack of funding for upgrades can't possibly be to blame when they GOT the upgrades and they didn't help. Anyways, the last request made for federal funding to improve the levies was denied by the Clinton administration, not the Bush administration, and none have been made since.
The delay in emergency aid was the result of three things: First off, the storm itself. They couldn't move in to assist until the storm had passed, obviously. Second, even once the storm had passed it was widely reported that new orleans had dodged the bullet, and they had, so all the relief headed to areas that had been hit harder. Then the levy broke.
Third, and lastly, was militant looters. The looting, murder, and rape began in inner city new orleans about twenty years ago, all the flood did was distract the cops.
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Maradon! had this to say about Pirotess:
The delay in emergency aid was the result of three things: First off, the storm itself. They couldn't move in to assist until the storm had passed, obviously. Second, even once the storm had passed it was widely reported that new orleans had dodged the bullet, and they had, so all the relief headed to areas that had been hit harder. Then the levy broke.
The storm passed within 6 hours FYI.
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Maradon! obviously shouldn't have said:The delay in emergency aid was the result of three things: First off, the storm itself. They couldn't move in to assist until the storm had passed, obviously. Second, even once the storm had passed it was widely reported that new orleans had dodged the bullet, and they had, so all the relief headed to areas that had been hit harder. Then the levy broke.
I was under the impression that the main reason was that FEMA was gutted when it joined with the Department of Homeland Security.
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Noxhil2 says ta-ma-to, I say to-ma-to:
I was under the impression that the main reason was that FEMA was gutted when it joined with the Department of Homeland Security.
I was under the impression that it was because it's headed buy a guy who's resume involves getting fired from being the lawyer for the arabian horse association and being the roommate of the old FEMA head.
Tell me why we did not have choppers, c-130's etc to bring in supplies to our own city? The news reporters had no problems flying choppers around to cover the storm, I'm pretty sure the armed forces wouldn't have problems brining choppers and troops in right away.
There was NO exuse for the huge dely between the storm passing and the help coming in from the goverment. I think most of the help that did come in right away after the storm where ordnary people driving trucks of supplies down south.
The tv reporter is totaly right, if we can not expect the goverment to help the country after a huge natural event how can we expect them to help us after a bio-terroism attack or something along those lines?
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Noxhil2 had this to say about Duck Tales:
I was under the impression that the main reason was that FEMA was gutted when it joined with the Department of Homeland Security.
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Blindy. probably says this to all the girls:
I was under the impression that it was because it's headed buy a guy who's resume involves getting fired from being the lawyer for the arabian horse association and being the roommate of the old FEMA head.
You're both correct! Its been gutted and the current head is incompetent. Cookies for both of you!
Sustained humanitarian aid is a completely different beast. How were we supposed to get people into the city, pray tell? And for that matter, as I understand it, the President had declared it a federal disaster area, but Louisiana's people didn't take advantage of that. Something about if New Orleans got federal aid it wouldn't get other aid. Hell they wouldn't let the Red Cross in to assist at first. Heard that several times on NPR yesterday.
On the flip side, when the shit did hit the fan, and when Louisiana's people finally DID ask for assistance, FEMA wasn't exactly chomping at the bit, ready and raring to go. Personally I think the head of FEMA (mr "I got fired from being a lawyer for the arabian horse owners association") should never have been appointed (a failing of the Bush administration, I believe), nor should FEMA have ever been subsumed from it's Cabinet-level position to a subordinate sub-unit of the Department of Homeland Security. Adding a layer of bureaucracy to our FEMA people is not a good way to get things done. It only adds insult to injury that FEMA was not just kneecapped with an additional level of bureaucracy, it was also saddled with a head man who is a complete incompetant.
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I understand you can't do the same thing for the whole area that was effected but atleast it would have been something.
There will be alot of what if's and finger pointing for a long time. The only thing I hope is that everyone can learn from the mistakes made during this time.
I'm not saying I think I could be the head of FEMA or anything but it might have been helpful to at least send those two items into the city. Did you hear about how they did this? They didn't deliver it to people, they dropped the supplies at drop points surronded by National Guards who wouldn't let people get near. And they didn't deliver nearly enough.
Sorry, but I happen to think that FEMA (and Homeland Security, if it's replaced FEMA) need to have this stuff on hand at any moment so that they're prepared. They weren't prepared for this. Why?
Simply put, almost everyone involved with this fucked up. There are way too many departments in our country now and too much redtape and bullshit just to deliver supplies. How long did it take for people's needs to finally be met on a federal scale after that levee broke? 3 days? 5 days?
All this proves is that we aren't anywhere with preparedness at a national level. Think about it; this was FEMA/HLS's moment to shine. And all they did was let everybody down. I totally agree that this single event shows that the new departments in place have done nothing but compromise the integrity of the US.
I do happen to think Bush reacted to this situation itself just fine, and I don't really care about what statements he makes about it. But he certainly played a role in appointing some of the current heads, and they totally fucked up. The new measures put in were supposed to protect people. Instead, as many as 10,000 died in NO. I think putting more measures in for protection is fine and dandy but if they fail on such a large scale then it's time to tear everything down and rebuild from the ground up.
I can tell you that this nearly seals the deal for me for the 2008 election. I thought "No way in hell am I going to vote for Hillary." Now I would definitely have to consider it. IMO the best option would be to reduce the number of government jobs. They are way too compartmentalized. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like anyone is willing to get rid of some of the fat for us. At least, not yet anyway.
Christ, I could go on about this forever. It's just rediculous that the media was able to be there since day 1 while the bureaucracy slowed everything down. It's rediculous that people need to get approval to get approval to send emergency supplies in. There shouldn't be a delay in this. People stayed in NO after evacuation was declared but they didn't leave; naturally you would expect some casualties. But the response seen from this looked like "just let them sit there and die; it's easier to clean up a few thousand corpses than rehouse and remploy a few thousand homeless poor people." Snugglits fucked around with this message on 09-08-2005 at 06:43 PM.
Speaking of Fox news: Segment from Hannity and Colmes. Please don't distribute that link too much. That's my bandwidth. Kegwen fucked around with this message on 09-08-2005 at 07:05 PM.
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We were all impressed when Dave wrote:
We can have a stealth bomber anywhere in the world with in 48 hours droping bombs.Tell me why we did not have choppers, c-130's etc to bring in supplies to our own city? The news reporters had no problems flying choppers around to cover the storm, I'm pretty sure the armed forces wouldn't have problems brining choppers and troops in right away.
There was NO exuse for the huge dely between the storm passing and the help coming in from the goverment. I think most of the help that did come in right away after the storm where ordnary people driving trucks of supplies down south.
The tv reporter is totaly right, if we can not expect the goverment to help the country after a huge natural event how can we expect them to help us after a bio-terroism attack or something along those lines?
First off, you need to understand that the military had evacuated Barksdale AFB in order to save military assets, usually they send everyone and everything up to Ohio. Second of all, Mississipi and Alabama had already declared a State of Emergency before the hurricane hit, thereby obtaining aid almost immediately. Third, the Mayor had close to 300 buses that could have been used teft them sitting in the parking lot. He was given plenty of warning to declare a State of Emergency and failed to do so. President Bush runs the nation, all the Mayor has to worry about is his city, which he failed to do. Saying that this is all racist is a bunch of bullshit, it's the Mayor's fault and he's black. Could the President have stepped forward andpushed things along, yes, but he shouldn't have had to.
Rather than actually helping the country, idiots immediately start pointing the finger at the President saying it was his responsibility and that he caused this whole thing. Funny, last I checked Mayors have ultimate responsibility for their city, that's why they have Mayors. I don't recall President having to step in and take care of New York during 9/11.
Don't forget, FEMA and the president don't exactly have the authority to send troops in right off the bat. The onus for evacuating and getting immediate emergency aid to the people is on the local government. New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin dropped the ball big time in stalling relief and not providing adequate evacuation measures for the inner city.
He basically threw his own evacuation plan out the window. They even distributed fliers and media to low income neighborhoods telling them they were responsible for their own evacuation even though state policy placed the onus on local government. How did he spend the first critical hours of the disaster? On the phone with
[edit: On 08/30/2005, the day the levy broke, the U.S.S. Bataan was already on the scene saving lives Maradon! fucked around with this message on 09-08-2005 at 07:17 PM.
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Maradon! had this to say about (_|_):
(RE: the testimony of Lt. Commander Sean Kelly)
Boy, a name like that is just oozing with credibility. 
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UBT had this to say about Knight Rider:
Could the President have stepped forward andpushed things along, yes, but he shouldn't have had to.
This is the biggest disaster in at least 100 years to strike the US. I think that anybody who could have done something and didn't failed.
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Maradon! had this to say about Duck Tales:
Katrina made landfall 7am on Monday, the 29th. Military helicopters from the U.S.S. Bataan were beginning damage assessment on Tuesday, the 30th. (RE: the testimony of Lt. Commander Sean Kelly)Don't forget, FEMA and the president don't exactly have the authority to send troops in right off the bat. The onus for evacuating and getting immediate emergency aid to the people is on the local government. New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin dropped the ball big time in stalling relief and not providing adequate evacuation measures for the inner city.
He basically threw his own evacuation plan out the window. They even distributed fliers and media to low income neighborhoods telling them they were responsible for their own evacuation even though state policy placed the onus on local government. How did he spend the first critical hours of the disaster? On the phone with
No doubt there, the guy fucked up big time. But with an emergency of this scale, there shouldn't be any sitting around talking about dinner plans and having ice cream socials if the local guy won't do anything. This goes back to the overcompartmentalization. If I didn't know any better I would think the government was a bunch of Union Laborers.
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JooJooFloping:
Boy, a name like that is just oozing with credibility.
Can you do anything but cry conspiracy theory?
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Check out the big brain on UBT!
Rather than actually helping the country, idiots immediately start pointing the finger at the President saying it was his responsibility and that he caused this whole thing. Funny, last I checked Mayors have ultimate responsibility for their city, that's why they have Mayors. I don't recall President having to step in and take care of New York during 9/11.
A lot of the blame goes to Bush for appointing the woefully incompetent Brown as head of FEMA and merging FEMA into Homeland Security, where FEMA's budget was slashed. You can't put the blame elsewhere for this. Somehow, Bush even thinks Brown handled NO well. I don't see how anyone could be saying that.
As far as the 9/11 comparison goes, you should know better. 9/11 revolved around a few city blocks. You didn't have mass destruction, large areas that couldn't be entered by foots, a destroyed communications infrastructure, large amounts of refugees, etc. 9/11 is nothing compared to Katrina. Oh, and standing equal to Giuliani isn't exactly an easy job (even those who hate him have to admit that).
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Maradon! enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
A lot of the blame goes to Bush because he's our political opponent and we think we might finally get some mud to stick this time.
That's the whole point I was trying to get at. Thank you!
Conservative victim complex! the liberals are everywhere!
edit: sorry maradon isn't conservative, he just defends them tooth and nail on almost every issue that comes up here. silly me! Kegwen fucked around with this message on 09-08-2005 at 07:43 PM.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Kegwen said:
I'm pretty sure the video attacked the entire government's response. The whole "this is what Bush will be remembered for" is true regardless of what political side he's on. If he did everything in his power to provide aid, he'd STILL be remembered for failing to do enough.Conservative victim complex! the liberals are everywhere!
edit: sorry maradon isn't conservative, he just defends them tooth and nail on almost every issue that comes up here. silly me!
That's the whole point I was trying to get at. Thank you!
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Maradon! had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
A lot of the blame goes to Bush because he's our political opponent and we think we might finally get some mud to stick this time.
I'm a Republican, so he's not my political opponent. I'm a fiscal conservative/ isolationist Republican though, so maybe he is my political opponent.
Of course, that really doesn't matter. You can't simply slither out of the blame by calling it partisan politics. You had no problem placing the blame on Clinton in an earlier post. Why is Bush the golden child who can do no wrong?
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Everyone wondered WTF when Kegwen wrote:
Conservative victim complex! the liberals are everywhere!
This is pretty much what my IB extended essay is about.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Noxhil2 said:
This is pretty much what my IB extended essay is about.
Fucking IB kids and their self-important extended essays. The extended essay is a total bullshit assignment. Don't bother putting too much time into it.
No matter how hard you work on it, you're still only going to get a C on it, especially if you fall under History, since everyone does History EEs and it's extremely tough to be original. (Is there another category that yours falls under? I wrote mine a long time ago, so I don't remember all the different topics.) It's a bitch to get anything above a C from what I remember, which doesn't get you any additional points unless you do well in TOK. Do you guys still do TOK? Arttemis fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 12:12 AM.
A couple of things bother me about this whole thing. The first being how unprepared the southeast was for this in general. They went though the exact same thing in 1969 and learned nothing from that diaster. So even being fully aware of the extent of damage a CAT 5 Hurricane would cause they were very slow to pull the trigger to set the wheels in motion.
The second thing that really bothers me is why were there no National Guard in New Orleans before the Hurricane? If the governers of Louisana, Mississippi, and Alabama were unwilling to activate their state's National Guard why did the President not do it for them? The President can federalize the NG on a whim, there is no excuse for it at all. If the NG can be federalized to quell riots in Los Angeles, if the NG can be federalized to ensure that school students can go to school, why can it not be federalized in order to help avoid the human diaster that is New Orleans right now?
Government on every level failed in this case, they had ample warnings, they just did not act until it was too late. Trying to place blame on a screw up this big is pointless, no single person was at fault. It was a failure on all levels, federal, state, and local.
Let's face it: people capable of direct, timely action don't become career bureaucrats.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
And because you used the word 'sacked,' I cannot help but say:
We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Anakha booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Ok, well, im not trying to sound crazy here, but don't you think this slow reaction may have been a little planned so we could cut down on the population?
that's pretty much the stupidest conspiracy theory I've heard come out of this whole mess. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 02:53 PM.
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This insanity brought to you by Arttemis:
Fucking IB kids and their self-important extended essays.The extended essay is a total bullshit assignment. Don't bother putting too much time into it.
No matter how hard you work on it, you're still only going to get a C on it, especially if you fall under History, since everyone does History EEs and it's extremely tough to be original. (Is there another category that yours falls under? I wrote mine a long time ago, so I don't remember all the different topics.) It's a bitch to get anything above a C from what I remember, which doesn't get you any additional points unless you do well in TOK. Do you guys still do TOK?
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I'm hoping I'll get a B or A level on it. History is way overdone; I was going to do Chemistry or Physics but the all the marxists who teach suggested I go the History route instead. There are a ton of EE topics, but you can (or rather, should) only do one in a topic that your program has a qualified teacher for. (IE if your program doen't teach Environmental Science, it's a bad idea to do it there)
I'm not sure how good my TOK essay is. (My program does TOK in the first year-- it's still required) Our TOK teacher is well-known for being unable to predict with any accuracy our essay grades, so we'll see. If one gets an A level on either their EE or TOK essay, it's 2 extra points towards the diploma, so that's my goal.
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Maradon! obviously shouldn't have said:
this just in - the Red Cross has caravans of aid available on monday to go to the superdome and the convention center, but was refused admittance by order of the mayor's administration because they didn't want people at the superdome or convention center.
New Orleans is a disaster zone and is under a forced evacuation order. There should be no victims still in the area.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Noxhil2 wrote:
New Orleans is a disaster zone and is under a forced evacuation order. There should be no victims still in the area.
I believe he's making the point that it was the mayor's fuck up that left the people stuck there in the first place. Also, what should be and what is are two vastly different things.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Karnaj gently hums:
Well, he wasn't really sacked. Just shuffled the fuck out of the way so someone qualified could do the job. He's still head of FEMA.And because you used the word 'sacked,' I cannot help but say:
We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.
We apologize again. The people who replaced the people who were previously sacked, have been sacked.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Tyewa Dawnsister had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
The second thing that really bothers me is why were there no National Guard in New Orleans before the Hurricane? If the governers of Louisana, Mississippi, and Alabama were unwilling to activate their state's National Guard why did the President not do it for them? The President can federalize the NG on a whim, there is no excuse for it at all. If the NG can be federalized to quell riots in Los Angeles, if the NG can be federalized to ensure that school students can go to school, why can it not be federalized in order to help avoid the human diaster that is New Orleans right now?
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This one time, at Noxhil2 camp:
[derail]I'm hoping I'll get a B or A level on it. History is way overdone; I was going to do Chemistry or Physics but the all the marxists who teach suggested I go the History route instead. There are a ton of EE topics, but you can (or rather, should) only do one in a topic that your program has a qualified teacher for. (IE if your program doen't teach Environmental Science, it's a bad idea to do it there)
I'm not sure how good my TOK essay is. (My program does TOK in the first year-- it's still required) Our TOK teacher is well-known for being unable to predict with any accuracy our essay grades, so we'll see. If one gets an A level on either their EE or TOK essay, it's 2 extra points towards the diploma, so that's my goal.
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As long as you attempt to have an actual viewpoint, the TOK essay isn't too tough. Most of my friends (and most of the class, for that matter) thought that the easy way out was the way of the nihilist, and attempted to dismiss the whole thing via the phrase "everything is relative anyway, so the question is irrelevent". They filled the 1000 words or however much it was, but I don't think any of them did very well. I got a B, I believe.
Have you already taken some of your exams? It sounds like you're getting ready for the EE so I would assume so, but I don't know. We never really got into the EE until the very end of our Junior year, when we all had to scramble to find supervisors and get topics approved.
