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I think Snape is a sleeper agent. Dumbledore was no fool. He would never be so taken in to trust Snape as he did unless he really COULD trust Snape. I don't know why he can, but I think Snape is on the good side.

R.A.B my belief is Regelus A. Black. Taeolas mentioned to me in IRC that back when they were at Grimmauld Place there was mention of things that could not be gotten rid of, and one of them was a locket. He was also a Death Eater trying to break free. So I think he found the locket and it's in the HQ.

I think the Big Six will go on to find the other Horcruxes together. Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville and Luna. Harry HAS to get back with Ginny. Ron and Hermione will finally pair up, and despite Rowling sayin gno, I think there will be something between Neville and Luna. He would accept her eccentricities and she would never be mean to him like others are.

I'm fairly sure Godric's sword isn't a Horcrux. Doesn't seem that the diary piece of soul wouldn't have sensed something about it. It still could be, but I think Voldemort got ahold of something belonging to Ravenclaw.

What theories do the rest of you have?

Lyinar Ka`Bael fucked around with this message on 07-21-2005 at 07:10 PM.

And why are you spoiling speculation? Is someone going to come back in two years and say "YOU SPOILED THE BOOK FOR ME BACK IN TWO THOUSAND FIVE, YOU HORRIBLE BITCH!" ?

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Sean wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
It seems to me that with the killing off of characters in the last three books, Rowling's finally running out of ideas.

And why are you spoiling speculation? Is someone going to come back in two years and say "YOU SPOILED THE BOOK FOR ME BACK IN TWO THOUSAND FIVE, YOU HORRIBLE BITCH!" ?

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I imagine some of them would contain spoilers with things currently going on/already happened in the books, and she didn't want to risk the retarded and still useless after three years subtitle to grab any of them as the subtitle.

Flea, on the other hand, is probably just retarded.

Snoota fucked around with this message on 07-21-2005 at 07:19 PM.

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Nobody really understood why Snoota wrote:
Flea, on the other hand, is probably just retarded.

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I included things that happened in the current book in what I said.

But I can blame that on Firefox being a piece of shit.

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Lazzay had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Regalus fits the bill since he has the initials, but I had the impression that he was killed after turning wussy on Voldermort. Was he even that important of an agent to have known about the horcruxes? If he's still alive, I wonder where he's been all this time?

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Never said he was alive, and his note even said he knew he would be dead.

I think she has plenty of ideas left. She has presented a very well put together and intriciate story so far, and has weaved together plots from the previous books into the current conflict.

The deaths that have happened have been necessary, although we didn't always learn why right at that time. I have a lot of confidence that the final book will be a real page-turner.

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Flea obviously shouldn't have said:

I am not too sure about your take on Snape, however. I do beleive that he was infact a double agent working for the dark lord the whole time. The answers he presented to Beatrix in the beggining, as well as his taking on of the unbreakable vow without a seconds thought put him under great suspiscion. However, if he was indeed loyal to dumbledore still, then snape will have a dilema trying to convince others of his loyalty when he killed dumbledore with his own wand.

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I think Dumbledore was dying the whole year from the ring. What he drank may even have furthered it along. From Dumbledore's pleading with Snape and how Rowling describes Snape as in pain (I highly doubt Harry calling him a coward caused him pain), I gleaned that it was a matter to Snape of doing what was necessary, and that Dumbledore knew that he would die one way or another this year.

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There was much rejoicing when Kinanik said this:
My crazy ass theory is that Harry is himself a Horcrux. They said that animals can be used, could humans? It's not beyond the scope of reason that Voldemort could have still had a piece of his soul waiting for a host; perhaps he was waiting to get one of Gryffindor's artifacts. I could be crazy.

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I suspect the same thing. I'm thinking that is why Harry has the Lightning Bolt scar on his forehead and why he seems to be so attuned to Voldemort that they even share thoughts and Harry can speak Parceltongue like Voldie. The scar is housing a piece of Voldemort's soul.

While they both survive, neither can live. Remember the words of the prophecy. As long as Harry is around, Voldemort will have a splintered soul and is immortal, not exactly living a normal whole life. While Voldemort survives, Harry is burdened with a powerful enemy and part of his soul housed in his body.

Katrinity fucked around with this message on 07-22-2005 at 09:52 AM.

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Dr. Gee thought about the meaning of life:
Is one of the Horcruxes used up every time he dies or something? Or does he just regenerate as long as one is around?

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The second I believe. He can't die as long as a trace of his soul remains anchored to this world.

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Dr. Gee had this to say about pies:
Is one of the Horcruxes used up every time he dies or something? Or does he just regenerate as long as one is around?

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He remains in that last part of his soul, but the Horcruxes aren't used up. They have to be destroyed to destroy that part of his soul.

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Mr. Crabs wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I don't think Snape is a bad guy. I'll bet that Snape made an Unbreakable Oath with Dumbledore that said that he can't break his cover. Remember when Dumbledore took Harry to get the locket Horcrux? Dumbledore basically told Harry that if he was ordered to kill him, he must do so. Plus, Dumbledore's gotta have a better reason to trust Snape than "I feel real bad that Voldemort killed Harry's parents." An Unbreakable Oath would be that reason.

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I thought of that as well. Rowling just set Dumbledore up as too knowing of a person not to know the people around him, whether Snape is good at hiding his thoughts or not. Plus Snape being bad is the obvious answer, and quite a few times in this series she's misled us on purpose. I'm suspicious of the obvious answer now. Remember she set Sirius up as the bad guy before, too.

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Kinanik had this to say about Robocop:
Either way, I don't see Harry and Snape becoming the best of friends... The more I think about it though, the more I agree with you.

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Sirius himself said that the world is not divided into good people and Death Eaters.

Harry mentioned not going back to Hogwarts next year, but five artifacts to destroy (At least two being things he doesn't know what/where they are yet) seems like a lot to cover in one book when the romance between Harry/Ginny Ron/Hermione hasn't been resolved yet too.

Also, I'll agree completely that Harry's the final Horcrux. It wraps everything up pretty well with Harry surviving after killing Voldemort and he winds up without that trademark scar he's always carried. The prophecy is also pretty clear cut with the 'One can't die while the other lives' line.

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Rodent King painfully thought these words up:
Also, I'll agree completely that Harry's the final Horcrux. It wraps everything up pretty well with Harry surviving after killing Voldemort and he winds up without that trademark scar he's always carried. The prophecy is also pretty clear cut with the 'One can't die while the other lives' line.

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Except that's not what the line was. It was to the effect of "While both survive, neither can truly live." Not the same thing at all.

Also, I don't buy the "Dumbledore knew Snape was going to kill him/Snape's still a good guy" thing. Dumbledore has been characterized as someone who's always willing to give a second chance, and has to "believe in the best of people" or something like that (don't have the book in front of me to quote). He also says that everyone make mistakes, and that when one is blessed with Dumbledore's extrordinary brainpower, their mistakes usually end up being proportionally huger.

I also don't think Harry is a horcrux. If he is, it's a little tough to explain why Voldemort's so keen on killing him.

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Everyone wondered WTF when Kinanik wrote:
Either way, I don't see Harry and Snape becoming the best of friends... The more I think about it though, the more I agree with you.

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Oh definitely not. I just don't believe he wants the Dark Lord to succeed

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Also, I don't buy the "Dumbledore knew Snape was going to kill him/Snape's still a good guy" thing. Dumbledore has been characterized as someone who's always willing to give a second chance, and has to "believe in the best of people" or something like that (don't have the book in front of me to quote). He also says that everyone make mistakes, and that when one is blessed with Dumbledore's extrordinary brainpower, their mistakes usually end up being proportionally huger.

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I think Dumbledore knew something was going to happen between him and Snape that year. When he told Harry that the Defense Against the Dark Arts position at the school had not held a teacher for more than one year since Voldemort demanded it twenty some odd years before, it became pretty clear that Dumbledore knew something was up with Snape.

Not only that, but Dumbledore, knowing the history of the positition, would not have given Snape the job if he did not know something was going to happen by the end of the year. I think there was some sort of oath or agreement between Snape and Dumbledore that required Snape to take his life not unlike the promise that Harry made to Dumbledore before they went into the cave.

As for the final Horcrux, it has to be Harry. It is almost too obivious but it was setup perfectly, why else would Dumbledore go to the trouble to detail the fact that Horcrux could be bound into living beings, and then go to the trouble of letting Harry know it was not the creature he suspected. I can only see that as a hook to seed the idea of one of the characters being a Horcrux, when combined with all the connections Harry has to Voldemort then it makes a whole lot of sense. It also makes sense in the context that Voldemort has demanded his minions not kill Harry, since that would destroy the Horcrux inside of him.

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Tyewa Dawnsister Model 2000 was programmed to say:
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I think Dumbledore knew something was going to happen between him and Snape that year. When he told Harry that the Defense Against the Dark Arts position at the school had not held a teacher for more than one year since Voldemort demanded it twenty some odd years before, it became pretty clear that Dumbledore knew something was up with Snape.

Not only that, but Dumbledore, knowing the history of the positition, would not have given Snape the job if he did not know something was going to happen by the end of the year. I think there was some sort of oath or agreement between Snape and Dumbledore that required Snape to take his life not unlike the promise that Harry made to Dumbledore before they went into the cave.

As for the final Horcrux, it has to be Harry. It is almost too obivious but it was setup perfectly, why else would Dumbledore go to the trouble to detail the fact that Horcrux could be bound into living beings, and then go to the trouble of letting Harry know it was not the creature he suspected. I can only see that as a hook to seed the idea of one of the characters being a Horcrux, when combined with all the connections Harry has to Voldemort then it makes a whole lot of sense. It also makes sense in the context that Voldemort has demanded his minions not kill Harry, since that would destroy the Horcrux inside of him.

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In the second Chapter, Snape made an unbreakable vow to Draco's mom that he would protect Draco, help him in any way he could, and finish his job if Draco couldn't perform it. Since Draco was a f'n pussy, snape had to kill dumbledore or die himself from the vow.

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Everyone wondered WTF when Tyewa Dawnsister wrote:

As for the final Horcrux, it has to be Harry. It is almost too obivious but it was setup perfectly, why else would Dumbledore go to the trouble to detail the fact that Horcrux could be bound into living beings, and then go to the trouble of letting Harry know it was not the creature he suspected. I can only see that as a hook to seed the idea of one of the characters being a Horcrux, when combined with all the connections Harry has to Voldemort then it makes a whole lot of sense. It also makes sense in the context that Voldemort has demanded his minions not kill Harry, since that would destroy the Horcrux inside of him.

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I thought the same thing until I remembered that Voldemort definitely tried to kill Harry twice using the Avada Kedavra curse. I think the reason why Voldemort forbids his minions from killing Harry is because of the prophecy. As Dumbledore said, it is Voldemort himself that gives the prophecy power. By putting so much trust into it and marking Harry as his equal, he is inadvertantly causing it to come true.

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Delphi Aegis had this to say about the Spice Girls:
In the second Chapter, Snape made an unbreakable vow to Draco's mom that he would protect Draco, help him in any way he could, and finish his job if Draco couldn't perform it. Since Draco was a f'n pussy, snape had to kill dumbledore or die himself from the vow.

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I know, I think the only reason Snape made such oath was because he knew that it would not change the course of action he was going to be required to take.

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Tyewa Dawnsister probably says this to all the girls:
I know, I think the only reason Snape made such oath was because he knew that it would not change the course of action he was going to be required to take.

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Greetings.

I also believe that Dumbledore begged Serverus (who is truly good) "Serverus, please" to actually fulfill the act of killing him. Dumbledore was weak for the whole year, he knew he had to risk his life to save Snape, Draco and Harry's lives. Which leaves perfect opportunity for Snape to stay with the Dark Lord and ultimately save Harry in the end (via actually risking his life, or by feeding him information).... and I see a silver lining for Draco... he was far too afraid to kill Dumbledore himself, he seems to be doubting the DarkSide. Draco is a young Snape... Harry is a young James... History, I believe, will repeat itself and James (Harry) will save Snape's (Draco's) life...

Rowling mentioned that the last book was going to be relatively short, I hope it isn't... there are too many unanswered questions that will arise, with the "new found" romances amongst the Mini-Order of the Phoenix (Harry, Herm, Ron, Ginny, Nevile and Luna).

Speaking of HP... I dressed up as a Slytherin (along with my younger sis and brother) for the midnight party at Chapters... I was quite stylish

Nike fucked around with this message on 07-24-2005 at 11:23 PM.

I do believe it was the "locket no one could open" found in Grimmauld place by the kids in Order of the Phoenix. Remember, Grimmauld Place is unplottable - if you don't know where it is or who is the secret keeper, then you can't get to it... perfect hiding place for Voldemort's horcrux, if you ask me. Regulus died before he could destroy it - and possibly from drinking the potion Dumbledore had to drink to get it out.

I do think DD (Dumbledore) is dead. It's closure for once and I like it, unlike Sirius. We're still not certain what exactly happened to him. No closure. I think he wanted/wants to save Draco, so he tells him what he told him. He knew all about Draco's plans (and therefore Snape's vow) and froze Harry so he could prove to Harry that Draco wasn't completely evil. Then more Death Eaters show up and then DD realises what he needs to do. If he didn't die, then the DE's would kill Draco AND DD. Then Snape shows up and the two use that Legilimens (mind reading) ability to talk for a second, hence Snape's 'gaze at DD.' I think this is why Snape and DD got into an argument that Hagrid overheard part of. DD was telling Snape to kill him if he had to fulfill his Unbreakable Vow. SO, DD let himself get killed to save Harry, Draco, AND Snape. If the man who trusted you, gave you a second chance, and was likely your only friend asked you to kill him, wouldn't YOU be upset and angry? And now Snape and Draco are even in a better position to help Harry in book 7. Though, I think the only way Snape can prove it Harry and the Order would be to die saving them from Voldemort. Otherwise no one will believe him since he killed DD - Unless DD says otherwise. I mean, there IS a painting of him in the Headmaster's office now. Would that painting be there if he wasn't dead? I don't think so.

As for possessions of Godric Gryffindor? Remember, the Sorting Hat itself was the hat of Godric Gryffindor. I believe it was said that the sword was thought lost until Harry pulled it from the hat. That doesn't mean it's the only possessions of Godric. I do think that the Horcruxes can be found in the rubble of Potter's old home. I think his giant snake might be one. I think Harry was intended to be a final Horcrux, but it backfired since the killing curse didn't work. If the kill wasn't made, the soul wasn't ripped, and therefore the horcrux couldn't have been made. The scar is likely a remnant or the beginnings of a horcrux, but I do not think it's a completed horcrux.

And as for Harry and Ginny? Let me post what a friend of mine said, because I agree 100%.

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Harry/Ginny: First of all, I don't even know who Ginny is. At all. It's not because she's a bad character, necessarily; it's because Harry hasn't told us anything about her other than the fact that she has red-hair, is Ron's sister, and somehow suddenly puts a monster in his belly. Now, whether or not Ginny is one big honking godmod character is a whole 'nother post, but for the purposes of the Harry/Ginny relationship, her character suddenly seemed to be a blank wall. She was anything that Harry needed at the time, even if Harry was being wrong or obnoxious. For example? Harry's annoyed at Zacharias. Ginny promptly slams herself into him post-game, and ha ha ha! Isn't that clever? Well, no. Not really. If a Slytherin player had done something similar to Lee Jordan, they would have been vilified for chapters. Ginny can get away with being a bully, because she is Harry's little wish fulfiller for the purposes of their relationship. As a result, I didn't really care about their relationship. I was more interested in Ginny outside of that relationship, because it was then that I saw glimpses of a true character. In her quiet reminder to Harry not to follow the instructions of a book, in her repartee with the arrogant Blaise on the train, in her thoroughly typical dating around the school - there was an actual character. The Harry/Ginny ship... sorry. I'm just not sold.

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Blindy.'s fortune cookie read:
We never found out how DD got the hurt hand I was hoping that would be a good story.

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The Weasly Bro's firecrackers. Thus the school ban