Anyone heard of it? Can you tell me what the good/bad of it is?
Bad:
-Pages with 100+ animated GIFs tend to break
-Can take up quite a bit of memory (Supposedly fixed in the latest version)
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Jet impressed everyone with:
Anyone heard of it?
lol
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and DrPaintThinner was all like:
Firefox keeps telling me it has updates. Then when I download the updates it doesn't really download them. It sits there doing nothing for as long as I let it. Is this a common problem?
It is for some of the earlier versions of the 1.0.x series. Try downloading the latest version from the website and you should be fine. Currently this is all the patcher does anyway.
-H
Bad:
-Some pages have broken formatting
-Still no built-in FTP support
-Wants to gank your file associations
I personally used it exclusively for about eight months before switching back due to various pages suffering formatting problems. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 07-06-2005 at 04:31 AM.
Good:
Point 1: You're just being an ass.
Point 2: Well. They work well.
Point 3: You're being an ass, and it's not theory. How many viruses and spyware packages can infect via ANY web browser that lacks the ability to install software that was given to IE by Microsoft? All of them.
Bad:
Point 1: Said pages are using an Internet Explorer ONLY extension to web standards. I have yet to see a place where a page conforms to all W3C standards break in Firefox or any other browser.
Point 2: What is it with people who have to have "kitchen sink" options in things? Use The Right Tool For The Right Job. Quit trying to make a "Jack of all trades" tool for shit when it's not needed. Plus there is a plugin for FTP support if you just *HAVE* to have it.
Point 3: Could you be more specific? I haven't had Firefox reassociate any files that I wasn't expecting it to.
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Random Insanity Generatoring:
Good:
Point 1: You're just being an ass.
Point 2: Well. They work well.
Point 3: You're being an ass, and it's not theory. How many viruses and spyware packages can infect via ANY web browser that lacks the ability to install software that was given to IE by Microsoft? All of them.
1) You can't deny that a portion of firefox users only use firefox for this reason. I'd even go so far as to say that MOST firefox users are either rabid nonconformist fanbois or just trying to stick their thumb in M$'s eye.
2) Ever see someone spell something wrong just to be funny? yeah.
3) Wait a second... wouldn't that mean that firefox ISN'T any more secure than IE?
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Bad:
Point 1: Said pages are using an Internet Explorer ONLY extension to web standards. I have yet to see a place where a page conforms to all W3C standards break in Firefox or any other browser.
Point 2: What is it with people who have to have "kitchen sink" options in things? Use The Right Tool For The Right Job. Quit trying to make a "Jack of all trades" tool for shit when it's not needed. Plus there is a plugin for FTP support if you just *HAVE* to have it.
Point 3: Could you be more specific? I haven't had Firefox reassociate any files that I wasn't expecting it to.
1) They're pretty standard web pages. I'm not talking about any Frontpage geocities sites. I was keeping an extensive list of sites that were fucked up by Firefox, but I deleted it because I was certain this absurd argument wouldn't come up again 
2) You could use the same argument with having the X-Box and PS2 play DVD's. Slice it any way you like, having it as a feature makes it more desireable. Period. I had the FTP plugin and frankly it wasn't anywhere near as useful as just using MSIE. Firefox plugins tend to be buggy and require frequent updating. It's not a huge issue, but it's enough to outweigh any possible compelling reason to use firefox in my opinion.
3) Both times I installed firefox it stole the .htm, .jpg and .gif extensions even though I told it not to. When I uninstalled it, links out of mIRC and AIM stopped working utterly.
Like I said though, it's not a BAD browser. There are just no compelling reasons to use it over MSIE that I've found, but plenty of trivial, minor reasons to use IE over firefox.
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1) You can't deny that a portion of firefox users only use firefox for this reason. I'd even go so far as to say that MOST firefox users are either rabid nonconformist fanbois or just trying to stick their thumb in M$'s eye.2) Ever see someone spell something wrong just to be funny? yeah.
3) Wait a second... wouldn't that mean that firefox ISN'T any more secure than IE?
(1) No, I can't. That doesn't mean you get to be an ass about stating it however.
(2) Yer point?
(3) Any and ALL software is a security risk. Fuck, BREATHING is a security risk. It's all a question of what's at stake and how much is it worth finding a way to bypass whatever security is there. Given what's at risk by using IE (potentially full control of the system since any piece of software can be installed and there are multiple rootkits and other various "take over" goodies for windows available) ANYTHING that performed the major function of IE (viewing rendered HTML) is a better alternative from a security aspect. However given that there are *no* bug free programs beyond "Hello World" you're delusional if you think that anything is the end-all fix. Best you can hope for is to make things too difficult to be worth 'stealing'.
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So quoth Maradon!:
1) They're pretty standard web pages. I'm not talking about any Frontpage geocities sites. I was keeping an extensive list of sites that were fucked up by Firefox, but I deleted it because I was certain this absurd argument wouldn't come up again2) You could use the same argument with having the X-Box and PS2 play DVD's. Slice it any way you like, having it as a feature makes it more desireable. Period. I had the FTP plugin and frankly it wasn't anywhere near as useful as just using MSIE. Firefox plugins tend to be buggy and require frequent updating. It's not a huge issue, but it's enough to outweigh any possible compelling reason to use firefox in my opinion.
3) Both times I installed firefox it stole the .htm, .jpg and .gif extensions even though I told it not to. When I uninstalled it, links out of mIRC and AIM stopped working utterly.
Like I said though, it's not a BAD browser. There are just no compelling reasons to use it over MSIE that I've found, but plenty of trivial, minor reasons to use IE over firefox.
(1) The only pages I've *had* to use through IE are pages that simply rely on certain (broken, misimplemented, proprietary, whatever) features present in only IE. Ingram Micro's website is a major offender on this list for me. I have to resort to IE because their website won't work in anything else. 95% of other pages that I've seen that claim "Internet Explorer Only" and deny you when using any other browser still work just fine under Firefox if you grab the addon that makes Firefox forge it's User-Agent string. The website is coded itself to deny you for whatever reason, but the page works just fine.
(2) That's why I have a DVD player in the living room and my PS2 in my bedroom. Again, Jack-of-all-trades, master of none. If you want good quality playback from your DVDs (ie: you spent a good chunk of cash on a TV and probably have a decent stereo sound system) then you're being stupid playing it from an XBox or PS2.
(3) .htm/html should be associated to your web browser. It is when IE is the default anyway. I don't see the issue there. .jpg/gif I've never had it steal, but that also may be because FF is one of the first things I install while irfanview is a bit further down the list and assumes the associations anyway. mIRC and AIM both have a place to configure the default browser if memory serves. If you installed them AFTER FF was installed and then removed FF... well.. I see that being User Error and Bad Programing on the part of mIRC and AIM. Might check the registry though. Probably stored in there somewhere.
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Nobody really understood why Maradon! wrote:
Like I said though, it's not a BAD browser. There are just no compelling reasons to use it over MSIE that I've found, but plenty of trivial, minor reasons to use IE over firefox.
Extensions, speed (with the new memory caching engine), customizable user interface (no keeping a whole toolbar full of crap around for a google search box and another whole toolbar for bookmarks), regular updates (security and feature), security, less of a risk of blowing up the whole system through user error (for you and me that might not be an issue, but for most of the people whom I install FF for while working on their computers it's a godsend), no ActiveX, I consider all of those compelling reasons to use FF over IE and extensions are pretty much why I use it over Opera (which is a better out of the Box browser imo, but costs money and doesn't support extensions). IE6 was a good browser when it was competing against Netscape, but Microsoft has let it lie dormant for a long while and has just now started catching up with very basic things like popup blocking.
Also I remember your complaints with formatting being some bars showing up differently on EC than they do on IE and similar stuff, that only works if you consider the IE way of rendering them the 'correct' one.
Some of the things are just pure preference, I hated IE trying to be a shitty FTP client that would not work on half of all servers and be slow and not resume downloads on most of the others.
