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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 06:26:19 PM
I'm having a little trouble with my homework. I can't remember what needs to be done to interpret an integral in terms of area. Here is my problem.

Evalute the integral (what the hell is the alt function for the integral sign, anyway?) from 0 to 1 of (x + (root of) 1 - x^2) by interpreting in terms of areas


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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 07:08:44 PM
I think I might see what they mean. They just mean to take F(b) - F(a) right?


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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 07:12:04 PM
Damnit. Doing it like that gives me - 1/6 for my answer, and an area can't be negative I don't think.

What step am I missing?


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Kinanik
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posted 04-24-2005 07:13:15 PM
If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's trigonomic substitution... You break up the integral so you have the integral form 0-1 of x, and the integral from 0-1 of root (1-x^2)... You can substitute root (1-x^2) with sin(t) and dx with (-sin(t), and get the integral of -sin^2t. Using the half angle formula, you get -(.5-.5cos(2t))... and get -.5t+.25sin2t... you'll need to resubstitute the t (I think it's arccosx) and the sin2t (double angle, you get 2sintcost, substituting back is 2(root(1-x^2) * x). Don't forget about the first x integral either... then you just plug in, I believe.
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posted 04-24-2005 07:17:18 PM
Bah, I plug it in and it's negitive too...
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Nae's Stooge
posted 04-24-2005 07:23:01 PM
Negative area is simply area below the x axis.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 07:24:17 PM
Then -1/6 is the answer?


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posted 04-24-2005 07:45:37 PM
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Then -1/6 is the answer?

Answer is still 1/6. When evaluating a definite integral, I'm almost positive you take the absolute value.

Razor
posted 04-24-2005 07:45:47 PM

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 07:52:40 PM
quote:
Razor stopped beating up furries long enough to write:

GOGO Maple


That tells nothing about the process of getting there and I'm not going to have Maple to use on a test. Where is it getting that pi?

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Razor
posted 04-24-2005 08:08:10 PM
Trig sub. it's the only proper way to do it quickly.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 08:10:42 PM
What about u and du substitution?


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Razor
posted 04-24-2005 08:17:57 PM
quote:
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What about u and du substitution?

I think that the trig substitution is the only way. I went back and pulled up what the integral answer is w/o the values:

the u sub first then the trig sub second

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Noxhil2
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posted 04-24-2005 08:20:34 PM
quote:
We were all impressed when Lyinar Ka`Bael wrote:
What about u and du substitution?

You cannot use that for this problem. In order to use algebraic substitution you need to be able to put the differential back in the equation. In this case there is no term you could substitute that has its differential in here. Although something like u = 1 - x^2 might be incredibly useful, du = -2xdx which is not in the equation.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 08:22:56 PM
How does pi get into things then? From 1/2 pi r^2 for the semicircle? Where does that get applied?


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Kinanik
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posted 04-24-2005 08:28:00 PM
Like in my post

The pi comes from the arcsin

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posted 04-24-2005 08:29:34 PM
AHA!

Got it.


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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 08:31:15 PM
Actually once you split them up, you interpret the second in terms of area by applying the formula for area of a semicircle with radius 1

The answer of the first will be 1/2. It's just a line.

Thanks for the help. I'm sure I'll have more. We sped through these sections.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 08:42:46 PM
Ugh god I hate this class. I hate absolute value, too.

I need to evaluate the integral from 0 to 8 for the absolute value of x^2 - 6x +8

I know you have to get rid of absolute value first. But I can't remember how. Any suggestions?

God I'm stupid. I remember now. Break it separate integrals

Lyinar Ka`Bael fucked around with this message on 04-24-2005 at 08:45 PM.


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Noxhil2
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posted 04-24-2005 08:48:56 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Lyinar Ka`Bael said:
Ugh god I hate this class. I hate absolute value, too.

I need to evaluate the integral from 0 to 8 for the absolute value of x^2 - 6x +8

I know you have to get rid of absolute value first. But I can't remember how. Any suggestions?


You break it up into two functions, one for when the eq is positive, make its domain for all numbers that it is evaluated at to be positive, then another equation that is the opposite of the first, for the domain that the equation would give out negative numbers.

If x < 0 or x > 4 x^2-6x+8

If 2<x<4 -(x^2-6x+8)

That's what I remember at least.

Mr. Crabs
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posted 04-24-2005 09:03:29 PM
After reading this thread I'm relieved that I've filled the math requirement for my major.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 09:16:37 PM
quote:
Noxhil2 had this to say about Captain Planet:
You break it up into two functions, one for when the eq is positive, make its domain for all numbers that it is evaluated at to be positive, then another equation that is the opposite of the first, for the domain that the equation would give out negative numbers.

If x < 0 or x > 4 x^2-6x+8

If 2<x<4 -(x^2-6x+8)

That's what I remember at least.



When I found the zeros for it, I found it has one segment where it's negative and two where it's positive. This coincided with the graph in Maple.


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posted 04-24-2005 09:27:11 PM
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This insanity brought to you by Mr. Crabs:
After reading this thread I'm relieved that I've filled the math requirement for my major.

This stuff isn't too bad. Diff eq is somewhat of a different story, though.

You should see some of the multivariate calculus... the page becomes a total mess.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 09:28:29 PM
Brain fart

What's the indefinite integral for 1/x?

-1/x^2 right?

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Noxhil2
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posted 04-24-2005 09:30:49 PM
dx/x is ln x
Lyinar Ka`Bael
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posted 04-24-2005 09:38:58 PM
Not in first year calc Haven't gotten to that yet

Okay, here's a fun one

Find the derivative of the function f(x) = the integral from sqrt(x) to 3x+1 sin(t^4) dt

I thought the derivative of the integral is just the function again?


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Naimah
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posted 04-25-2005 12:13:53 AM
d/dt or d/dx?

If it is d/dt then it is just sin((3x+1)^4)-sin(x^2).

If it is d/dt then you have to integrate sin(t^4), which I don't know how to do. Then evaluate it as normal.

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Kinanik
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posted 04-25-2005 12:20:03 AM
0 to 1 of (x + (root of) 1 - x^2)

If it's calc one, would it be x times root (1-x^2)? Because then you could do an u substitution.

if it's plus, then it has to be trig substitution and I didn't start that until calc 2...

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posted 04-25-2005 12:54:51 AM
quote:
Naimah got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
d/dt or d/dx?

If it is d/dt then it is just sin((3x+1)^4)-sin(x^2).

If it is d/dt then you have to integrate sin(t^4), which I don't know how to do. Then evaluate it as normal.


It's asking to find the derivative of f(x) and f(x) is the integral between those points of sin(t^4) dt

I took it as taking the derivative of what you get when you evaluate F(B) - F(a) and came up with some weird shit

I really loathe calculus.


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