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Topic: The Ultimate Fighter: Ultimate Finale
Kaglaaz How'ler
Pancake
posted 04-10-2005 02:38:47 AM
Normally, I HATE all of the "reality television" that are on TV. But as a fan of UFC and as a student of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (for all of two or three months) I've slowly became hooked on this TV show. It finally came down to some great fighters, though in my opinion, Chris Leben should have been fighting the middlewieght final instead of Kenny Florian, but Kenny got in that lucky elbow that put a 2 inch gash in Chris' eyebrow and they stopped the fight

So of course, Diego Sanchez beats Kenny Florian handily...

But OMFG what a war between Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar!!! I had picked Griffin before the fight started, I loved his dry wit and hamming it up for the camera, he didn't take himself too seriously. (unlike the flamboyant Sanchez

Griffin and Bonnar went the entire 3 rounds, trading blows like thier lives depended on it! Griffin seemed to dominate the first round and the two remaining rounds looked to be fairly evenly matched but by the end of the 3rd round I had figured that Bonnar was going to walk away with it. When the judges scorecards were read and Griffin's arm was raised I was floored!!

My GOD what a fight!! Everyone was on thier feet at the venue it was at, hell even I was on my feet alone in my living room with my wife laughing a bit from the computer room as I paced the floor watching the Griffin - Bonnar fight.

These two fighters going the full 3 rounds in the Light Heavywieght division really paid off for the UFC as a whole. Some people were calling "bullshit" from the stands, you could hear them when the winner was announced. I thought it was quite gracious of the owners and the President of the UFC to award Kenny Bonnar a contract as well as the two winners. Damned impressive!!

The "feature fight" of Ken Shamrock and Rich Franklin was pretty lackluster after that 3 round brawl!

The Ultimate Fighter: Season 2 will include Heavyweights (over 205 lbs) and Welterweights (170 lb division)

Now for next week and UFC 52. Randy Couture vs. Chuck Liddel!! I'm a huge fan of Randy "The Natural" Couture and hope to see him keep his championship belt. But Liddel is a hell of a guy too and quite a contender! Also there's a Welterwieght Title fight that night too between Welterwieght champ Matt Hughes and Frank Trigg. These little guys are so damned fast and scrappy that it might be a better fight than the Light Heavyweight fight of Couture and Liddel! My pick is Hughes to retain the title...

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nem-x
posted 04-10-2005 08:16:10 AM
This is like that one Conan skit.
Liam
Swims in Erotic Circles
posted 04-10-2005 08:20:01 AM
Randy's going to maul Lidell again
Kaglaaz How'ler
Pancake
posted 04-10-2005 12:24:56 PM
quote:
nem-x said this about your mom:
This is like that one Conan skit.

Don't watch him, no idea WTF you're talking about...

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UBT
Pancake
posted 04-10-2005 03:09:25 PM
All I want to know is..... did Ken Shamrock win?
Liam
Swims in Erotic Circles
posted 04-10-2005 03:42:10 PM
quote:
UBT got a whole lot of nerve:
All I want to know is..... did Ken Shamrock win?

Lost. He's way too rusty and jumped into a fight expecting his skills to be the same as always. He tripped twice trying high round kicks, and the 2nd time he was put down for good.

Sean
posted 04-10-2005 04:56:15 PM
I can't believe I missed that last night,
A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 04-10-2005 05:11:43 PM
Ken Shamrock used to be so bad ass.

I'd have loved to see Ken Shamrock in his prime, his pre WWF days, go against Tito Ortiz.

UBT
Pancake
posted 04-10-2005 05:58:53 PM
Ken Shamrock would have totally owned him, I remember watching some of his old matches.... he was the man. I can't believe he lost =(
Kaglaaz How'ler
Pancake
posted 04-10-2005 07:12:19 PM
He wasn't the only one to slip. From the looks of things, the mat had a bit more padding than usual and looked a bit different to me.

I recall the previous fight having a lot of slips, granted that might be from all the blood from the HUGE gash on Griffin's nose.

Fret not, it's on again tonight at 10pm EDT on Spike.

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UBT
Pancake
posted 04-11-2005 12:38:21 PM
but I was alseep again !
Kaglaaz How'ler
Pancake
posted 04-11-2005 12:44:25 PM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when UBT said this:
but I was alseep again !

It's on yet again tonight at 11:05 EDT!! Guess they're really pushing for season 2 and for the Pay Per View fight this weekend.

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Leopold
Porn maniac
posted 04-11-2005 02:25:38 PM
I was pulling for Leben initially, but it became apparent pretty quickly that a) he's batshit crazy, and b) he's way too lackluster as a fighter. He's a good striker, but he's not good enough of one to have absolutely no grappling skill. His fight with Koscheck proved that well enough; Koscheck murdered him with basic grappling techniques. If Leben were the striker he made himself out to be, he should have taken Florian down with ease, since for all of his BJJ training he wasn't fighting a very technical match; instead, Leben barely guarded, he didn't follow up when he had the chance, and he paid for it. Cryin' shame.

It's also unfortunate that Diego is such a tool personality-wise, since he was easily the best fighter on the show.

But yeah, the Griffin/Bonnar fight was amazing. The UFC should be orally pleasuring them daily, because they saved the program; were it not for them, the highlights of the UFC's BIG HUGE OH MY GOD CABLE PREMIERE would have been 90 minutes of promo, one match between two unknowns that went all of a minute and a half (if you ignore the full minute they spent circling each other), and Ken Shamrock, probably their biggest legend (in the public eye, anyhow)/veteran/ace/etc. getting utterly curbed. I clapped myself when Bonnar got the second contract; after that war, he deserved it, and they'll make good money on a rematch later, given proper hype.

I don't think Shamrock's slips were due to the mat, though. The first one seemed like a defensive measure; Franklin was going for a second punch, Shamrock dropped down to try a leglock. The second I'd attribute to a fucked-up equilibrium, as Franklin caught him with a pretty good kick to the side of the head just beforehand; he looked a bit shaky afterwards. Hate to say it, but his time may just be up; he's lost four of his seven fights in the last five years, and of the three he won, two matches were against outmatched opponents (Alexander Otsuka, who after a decade in the business is 3-12-0, and Sam Adkins, who in just over six years is 6-16-2).

In either case, it definitely showed both sides of the UFC; on one hand, the more common quick-and-dirty fights, and on the other hand, the ugly, ugly wars of attrition that come up every now and then. White and Azzarello are probably happy.

"Leopold said it best. This is one of the few times someone besides me is right." -Mr. Parcelan
UBT
Pancake
posted 04-11-2005 03:27:02 PM
quote:
Kaglaaz How'ler thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
It's on yet again tonight at 11:05 EDT!! Guess they're really pushing for season 2 and for the Pay Per View fight this weekend.

Dammit, and I have to go to work at 11pm ! =(

Norim Stumpfighter
Milkmaid
posted 04-11-2005 07:31:56 PM
i know they're old and outdated, but buy a VCR dammit!
Death of Rats
Pancake
posted 04-11-2005 10:02:48 PM
Damn, Diego can really do some damage. Once he got on top, and just started pounding, I thought the other guys head was going to explode.
A particularly crafty sea lion is befuddling the Army Corps of Engineers, who have come to believe the 1,000-pound mammal is either from hell -- or from Harvard.
Cebreu
Pancake
posted 04-11-2005 10:51:56 PM
I was lucky enough to get free tickets to the Ultimate Finale. I didn't know anything about it going in, other than that I like watching UFC. The live portion of it was kinda lame for most of the evening, seeing as there wasn't one fight that went into the second round till the fifth or so. The fights after that weren't bad.
Diego whomped on that poor bastard Florian. I dunno what knocked him out, the punch or his head bouncing off the mat. The Griffin/Bonnar fight was incredible. I've never seen anything like that, especially live. When Griffin got cut everyone was screaming to let them finish and the doc did, which was awesome. When they finished up the ENTIRE place was on their feet. For as small as the venue was it was deafening.
The Shamrock fight was so anti climatic it was retarded. I happened to be sitting next to the whole Shamrock family, who were less than pleased with the result, but it just looked to me like Ken was a bit too slow. Age gets us all I suppose. Anyway, if any of you happen to have the chance to see UFC live, I highly recommend it. WELL worth going to.
UBT
Pancake
posted 04-12-2005 04:00:58 PM
You mean you came to Las Vegas and didn't tell anyone here ?
Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 04-12-2005 06:58:29 PM
quote:
UBT stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
You mean you came to Las Vegas and didn't tell anyone here ?

I'm pretty sure I remember reading when he first started posting(not that that's saying much; he's been a member for two years and has made forty-two posts ) that he lives in Vegas.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think he's actually in the Air Force and stationed at Nellis.

Snoota fucked around with this message on 04-12-2005 at 07:01 PM.

Cebreu
Pancake
posted 04-13-2005 03:58:50 AM
Yar, all that be correct sir. I live in Vegas and am in the Air Force here. I'm what some might call a 'lurker', hence the small amount of posts.
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