I really don't want it to be Sandman. He's not even one of the better-known villains of Spider-Man.
Let it be Mysterio, Vulture, Lizard, Kraven, Electro, or even Rhino (though he's really more of a grunt than a villain mastermind).
I'd be equally upset if it were Shocker, Hydroman or Scorpion.
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What about Venom? Was Venom in Spider-Man at all, or was that just in a video game I played when I was little?
No, Venom is a very real part of Spider-Man, but he needs a lot of buildup to be made into a movie.
More than likely we'll see Harry don the Goblin suit, possibly as the Hobgoblin in a small breach of continuity (Harry operated only as the Green Goblin; in fact, one of the first times he became the Green Goblin was with the intent of kicking Hobgoblin's ass!).
However, since this would be stylistically redundant, we can probably assume that Harry will have another villain working with or for him to fill the new villain quota. In my opinion it should be a relatively minor rogue with a straightforward superpower, like Man-Wolf ( 
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But personally, I hope it doesn't go down this way. Give us Kraven!
EDIT: Not entirely sure how that would've been ideal Sentow, Maybe fucked around with this message on 04-03-2005 at 01:30 AM.
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Like Parcelan said, Venom's story is very long and complex, so I wouldn't expect to see him in the next flick unless there are some massive changes to his origin (which probably wouldn't fly with the fanbase).
They already have a built in way to bring in the symbiote in the movies; JJJ's son just returned from space.
It actually kind of scares me that they're going to take out Brock entirely. The first step was having someone that came from outerspace that could have somehow snuck the symbiote to earth. JJJ's son just returned from a moon mission. The second step is having someone who will come to hate Peter Parker. And JJJ's son just happens to be engaged to a woman who is in love with Peter Parker.
If they bring Venom into the series, and let's face it; he's too much of a huge part of Spiderman's history to not get involved somewhere down the line if they keep making movies, they may think that's the easiest way to bring him in, instead of setting up Brock.(Even though Brock was mentioned in the first movie)
p.s. there was some story on CNN.com a few days, maybe a week, ago in the entertainment section about some chick trying out for the role of a villain in the movie. BLACKCAT, PERCHANCE!? she made my peepee tingle when i was a little one
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NO BROCK!?Jeez
I didn't say they wouldn't use him, just that from the previous movies JJJ's son is a more obvious choice for Venom if they go that way.
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I didn't say they wouldn't use him, just that from the previous movies JJJ's son is a more obvious choice for Venom if they go that way.
I guess in the grand scheme of things, Brock isn't all that important, or at least, not as important as the symbiote. You could just replace him with someone that has a reason to hate Peter Parker and the rest of the script writes itself.
Then again...don't you need Spidey to wear the symbiote? That's how it learned how to avoid the Spider Sense.
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I guess in the grand scheme of things, Brock isn't all that important, or at least, not as important as the symbiote. You could just replace him with someone that has a reason to hate Peter Parker and the rest of the script writes itself.Then again...don't you need Spidey to wear the symbiote? That's how it learned how to avoid the Spider Sense.
Yeah. Symbiote comes down with JJJ's son, joins with Spidey, Spidey uses it for a while then realizes it's making him crazy and throws it out, at which point it finds JJJ's son who hates Peter Parker again, tells him that Peter Parker = Spiderman, and the rest is history!
Though, honestly, the fans let Raimi get away with the organic web, I don't think they'd let him get away with writing Brock Lesnar, err... Eddie Brock out of the story entirely. It just seems to make more sense to me, from what's already been shown in the movies.
I just hope he has the good sense not to try to turn Venom into a good guy like they did towards the end of his run in the comics. God, that sucked. Totally killed his character. 
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Then again...don't you need Spidey to wear the symbiote? That's how it learned how to avoid the Spider Sense.
Indeed. For that matter, Peter's brief bond with the symbiote is where all of Venom's powers stem from (though his enormous strength was due in part to Brock's weight-lifting regimen).
Isn't it sad that I know this stuff? ><
If nothing else, Harry as the Goblin seems the most likely choice because of the discovery scene at the end of Spider-Man 2. If you put a gun above the mantle in Act 1, you must fire it by the end of Act 3.
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Indeed. For that matter, Peter's brief bond with the symbiote is where all of Venom's powers stem from (though his enormous strength was due in part to Brock's weight-lifting regimen).
Isn't it sad that I know this stuff? ><
Well, actually, I think the symbiote's camouflage and ability to breathe underwater was the symbiote's power alone. Webspinning, wallcrawling and spider-sense-avoidance came from Spidey. Brock was a bodybuilder extraordinaire and the symbiote added its natural strength to his own. So the stronger Brock got, the stronger the symbiote got and it multiplied his strength, so...
But yeah, Snoota, they ruined Venom when they turned him into a good guy. The best part about Venom was that he was the ultimate spider-killer. He had strength and powers and a twisted sense of honor, but at his heart, he was still completely insane and loathed Spider-Man with a vengeance.
I mean, back in his heyday, Venom didn't hesitate to kill anyone that so much as lifted a finger to get in his path (since they were no longer "innocent" at that point), but then he just started protecting everyone and blah.
Likewise, I've heard next to no solid buzz on Venom. The last I heard, they were saving Venom for a later movie and were going to build him up in the film before he actually suits up.
Also why even mention Brock in the first film if all they were going to do is never have him be Venom? I hated how the comics relied on Venom in the mid-late nineties, and I hope they WAIT to bring him into the movies, at least until Pete and MJ are married, but I do want to see him done properly. Brock's story deserves to be the undercurrent of a movie unto itself; he has a great origin. They could even downplay Pete having the symbiote costume an Brock's loathing of Spidey still works to make Venom in and of itself.
2. Harry will NOT apparently be the Hobgoblin in this movie. Harry will begin plotting his vengeance in this film (as the OsCorp copters at the end of 2 suggested) but he's not going to Goblin up for 3, apparently.
3. Rumors are that Mysterio may be the villain, or at least they'll lay the groundwork with him, based on the fact MJ is an actress and Mysterio started out as a special effects guy.
Sandman is something of a surprise. Granted he's a classic villain (plus for makers), with interesting powers (another plus) and a fairly basic origin (a third plus), but they'd have to do some work on him for him to be a villain worth basing a movie around. On the other hand, if Harry has something to do with his origin, anything's possible.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Now that I think about it, they're a little strapped for villains to base a movie around.
Mysterio works well enough. Venom works well, too. Doc Oc and Green Goblin have already been done... I guess Electro or Vulture might work.
Lizard, Rhino, Shocker, and maybe even Kraven are too one-dimensional.
And if they ever do Carnage, I'll shit myself and leap off a bridge.
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It won't be Lizard, unless they change his story drastically. Thomas Haden Church has been named for the villain in 3, they just haven't said who he is yet.
Is he missing an arm? 
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Is he missing an arm?
Azymyth fucked around with this message on 04-03-2005 at 05:48 AM.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Azymyth said:
Dr. Conners was introduced in the first movie. He was Peter's one-armed college instructor and played by someone other than Thomas Haden Church.
Bingo, and you see him actually in the second, and he IS missing an arm. So they have the basis for Lizard, just apparently not going with it for 3.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Manticore don't surf!
I heard the actor playing SpiderMan has a bad back and may need to retire from the movie industry soon--- is that true?
Gullible isn't in the dictionary.
It's not something people hear about.
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Gullible isn't in the dictionary.
Yes it is, shows what you know.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael said this about your mom:
1. JJJ's son, on a trip into space, got a gemstone lodged in the base of his neck. He became the Man-Wolf, against his will, at certain regular intervals. JJJ's son doesn't have to do anything more than bring the Symbiote to Earth. He has his own story.
Does no one actually know the origin of the black costume, aka Venom? JJJ's son had nothing to do with the symbiote. The symbiote came from a machine that had given Parker a new costume (the black one) during the Secret Wars. With Mr. Fantastic's help, Spidey found out that his costume was alive and taking over his body while he slept. One thing lead to another and Vemon was born.
I could go on and on about him, since he was and is one of my favorite characters. If you need to know more, let me know.
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Did they say why, UBT, why they want to terminate my command?
Does no one actually know the origin of the black costume, aka Venom? JJJ's son had nothing to do with the symbiote. The symbiote came from a machine that had given Parker a new costume (the black one) during the Secret Wars. With Mr. Fantastic's help, Spidey found out that his costume was alive and taking over his body while he slept. One thing lead to another and Vemon was born.I could go on and on about him, since he was and is one of my favorite characters. If you need to know more, let me know.
You just.. said exactly what he did.
It's not something people hear about.
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We were all impressed when Sean wrote:
You just.. said exactly what he did.
No, I actually didn't. To me it sounded as if he was stating that the symbiote was brought down to earth by JJJ's son, which never happened.
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Because UBT is my friend.
No, I actually didn't. To me it sounded as if he was stating that the symbiote was brought down to earth by JJJ's son, which never happened.
He said that no, that did not happen in the past, but it would be viable if done for the movies.
It's not something people hear about.
I always thought a shaved-head Church looked just wrinkly and leathery enough to be the Vulture, though.
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Verily, UBT doth proclaim:
Does no one actually know the origin of the black costume, aka Venom? JJJ's son had nothing to do with the symbiote. The symbiote came from a machine that had given Parker a new costume (the black one) during the Secret Wars. With Mr. Fantastic's help, Spidey found out that his costume was alive and taking over his body while he slept. One thing lead to another and Vemon was born.I could go on and on about him, since he was and is one of my favorite characters. If you need to know more, let me know.
Ooookay I think you misunderstood me.
I know where the Symbiote comes from. I have the comic run. I have most of the run of that particular "Secret Wars" (there were several).
However...Marvel is NEVER GOING TO RUN A SECRET WARS MOVIE. For one thing, their pertinent characters are licensed to different companies. For another, it runs counter to the whole realistic approach to the movies they've been going with.
So if you want Venom, you have to come up with a more reasonable way to get the symbiote to Earth. In the cartoon, they had Jameson's shuttle bring it back by mistake and went from there. The origin of the symbiote (IE where it comes from, specifically) is fairly pointless. It's otherworldly, that's all there needs to be.
So...I dunno. Maybe you didn't get what I was going for with my comments. You want Venom in a movie, you're going to have to make certain allowances, just like every other comic book character and movie brought to the big screen.
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Carnage was always my favourite villian from Spiderman.. But you need Venom to have Carnage really...
The Lizard WAS my bet.. But after reading what everyone has to say, I agree.. It won't be him..
I think it's going to be Mysterio.. I always hated Mysterio.. Wanker.
Sandman is a cool character, but as a villian for a movie, he sucks.
Sandman is the closest thing we'll get, I think.
Am I to assume Sandman is some sort of shapeshifter as well?
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Clayface was coolAm I to assume Sandman is some sort of shapeshifter as well?
He can turn into living sand.
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I don't really know much about all this, but story points aside, Sandman would be sort of neat to see in a movie just to see how they did the special effects
The Mummy.
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I loved Venom before they fucked him up.
I liked Brock early on. Brock HATED Spidey/Parker. And he used his abilities creatively. Yes he has the tendrils. Yes he has EVERY FUCKING ONE OF SPIDEY'S POWERS. That isn't what made him cool. What made Brock cool was that more than any other villain, Brock scared Parker. He knows ALL of Peter's secrets up to the point the symbiote separated from Parker. Secret identity, loved ones, etc. Brock won't actually hurt them, but Parker can't dare take that risk.
Likewise, Venom can get around Parker's one major ace in the hole: The Spidey-Sense. And Brock didn't just use it to sneak up on Parker and attack him. Brock used it to SCARE Parker. Walk up to him on a subway platform and push him in front of an approaching subway...Parker doesn't see it coming, and when he looks into the crowd, Brock can be standing right in front of him in disguise and Spidey can't tell.
That's the Brock they need to have. The scary mofo. Not the Crazy "Lethal Protector" crap from later on. They need to keep Brock the scary guy he was before they wussified him. Frankly I wish they'd done that in the comic so there wouldn't have been a need for Carnage.
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Aunt May didn't know Parker was Spider-Man, so Venom didn't do much more than show up asking for Parker. Mary Jane did know and Venom scared the shit out of her. A child at the zoo was innocent, but an employee at the Vault using a computer that Brock wanted to use was fair game.
All in all, as Lethal Protector came around, they forgot that Brock that was stark raving looney and could kill anyone he saw fit as being "not innocent."
but i bought a bad ass spiderman shirt at the thrift store friday.
bad. ass.
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yeah well i'm not sure what ya'll are going on aboutbut i bought a bad ass spiderman shirt at the thrift store friday.
bad. ass.
*strangles Monica in the tendrils of his symbiotic suit*
