However, the new job offer is far, far, far, far less stressful than managing a McDonald's.
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Are you the manager of the McDolalds, or were you just implying that you pretty much do the job of the manager, just without the title and pay?
And the other job probably has a better chance of advancement in the short term. They are opening up 20something new stores in Las Vegas in the next few years, and the guy wants to bump me up to his Assistant Manager as soon as I can do the written tests(which he figures will take two months or so, give or take. the three months was guessing on the slow side), which means in a year or so of doing that I'll be in a spot to grab up one of the new stores they'll be opening at about that time.
Why not wait to test for the Assistant Manager position before working there? I don't like promises of promotions. Oftentimes they don't materialize.
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What kind of company?Why not wait to test for the Assistant Manager position before working there? I don't like promises of promotions. Oftentimes they don't materialize.
It's Einstein Brother's Bagels. A pretty big nationwide bagel shop/cafe chain, though I don't think it's called Einstein's on the East Coast.
And coincidently, that is why I'm even thinking about leaving; my area supervisor is a lying piece of shit that hasn't done one thing for me in four years, so I have no faith in his promise of a promotion at the end of April. But the other guy asked me to come in specifically to fill that spot. The two months is just time for me to learn everything I need to know. He can't hire me on directly as an Assistant Manager, so he's hiring me on with the highest hourly position he can. Which is the Baker, even though I won't even be doing any baking after I learn how to the first week.
It's kind of dumb, though. He can't HIRE an Assistant Manager, but he can promote someone to the position anytime he wants.
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It's Einstein Brother's Bagels. A pretty big nationwide bagel shop/cafe chain, though I don't think it's called Einstein's on the East Coast.
it is.
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It's kind of dumb, though. He can't HIRE an Assistant Manager, but he can promote someone to the position anytime he wants.
Companies do that so they can limit the raise for a promotion to another/higher position by a percentage of your previous pay instead of paying the advertised or prevailing pay range.
The growth potential of a bagel company is dependent on how well the Atkins Diet, et all influences the market. So long as whole wheat and other low carb choices as available, you should be okay. According to their website, they do offer those kind of choices.
Bagel sandwiches are yummy!
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So long as you still have the basic benefits (I.E. Medical), you should be fine with the new place. Less stress is worth a couple K less a year.
My point would be McDonald's isn't going anywhere, and the management experience you get there will be beneficial in the long run. The bagel place might be as well, but at the least I'd hold out for an offer that isn't a step backwards.
So long as you can live on the lower salary (around here $30K is barely scraping by, but costs are lower where you live), I'd say to make the change. If anyone asks in the future, you needn't even mention the possible McD promotion (especially since you doubt the reliability of its source), only that you got offered an assistant manager position at Einstein's following a two-month evaluation period. `Doc fucked around with this message on 03-17-2005 at 07:40 AM.
It's not something people hear about.
first look into how much it would cost to get insurance equal to what you have now w/ McD's (you did say that the new job will NOT have insurance right?)
dont think about your salary/year as what you WILL be making in a few months, but think of it as, "is it better than what I have right now?" Like someone mentioned before, they may say you're going to give you a raise/promotion, but I wouldnt trust anyone. Things happen...
Are there any other bagel franchises in vegas now? If so, go ask them how business is. Remember that if they're adding a bunch of new bagle stores to the area that the business will most likely be less. no bagel shops? look for something similar, like donut shops. just tell them that you're thinking of opening your own and you were curious as to how they're doing (this especially works if you ask a franchise and tell them you're opening in an area that wont impact their business, ie across town).
just a few ideas i had for ya. when you make a career change, it's good to know all the facts before hand. 
good luck!
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Get an agreement in writing, then go for it.
Yeah the big thing here is the forward momentum. Depending on the benefits, this might not be worth it. If it is worth it, the worth is contingent on a promotion in the mid-future. I'd be wanting some guarantees about that promotion before I gave up superior benefits and pay.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael wrote this stupid crap:
It's Einsten's in the Midwest and at least here they're pretty popular. It's THE place to get bagels. Dunno how it is in Vegas.
I've never evern heard of Einstein's.. In Seattle, it's all about Noah's Bagels.
In any case, I very strongly dislike McDonalds, so I'd personally suggest the bagel joint 
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This one time, at Cobalt Katze camp:
I've never evern heard of Einstein's.. In Seattle, it's all about Noah's Bagels.
I'm almost positive that Noah's and Einstein's are the same company.
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Cobalt Katze said this about your mom:
I've never evern heard of Einstein's.. In Seattle, it's all about Noah's Bagels.
noah's rules yoo F00!
and they have good bagels
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Never seen an Einstein's here, but we have bagel shoppes up the wazoo (and everywhere else). Probably we just don't have the same niche open to them as most of the country does.
Bagels started in New York as a local novelty. It was these enterprises that brought bagels to the rest of the country.
quote:It was pretty much the same thing with pizza, except that pizza also had a foothold in the Chicago area. Hence the two well-known styles of pizza: the New York pie and the Chicago deep dish.
Vernaltemptress really knows where her towel is...
Bagels started in New York as a local novelty. It was these enterprises that brought bagels to the rest of the country.
But I digress.
The pay's better, and you have opportunities to move up in a huge corporation, making your ultimate earnings potential fairly unlimited.
Stress is simply a by-product of success. If you're not stressed, you're not trying.
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Stay with McDonald's.The pay's better, and you have opportunities to move up in a huge corporation, making your ultimate earnings potential fairly unlimited.
Stress is simply a by-product of success. If you're not stressed, you're not trying.
Actually, McDonald's offers little to no chance of moving up. Without getting a Doctorate in Business or some related field, I'm about three steps below the glass ceiling.
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Snoota was naked while typing this:
Actually, McDonald's offers little to no chance of moving up. Without getting a Doctorate in Business or some related field, I'm about three steps below the glass ceiling.
Sounds like you've made up your mind.
Go with the way that makes you happy, my child. To live through life without living with what you want to do is to live a half-life.
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Sounds like you've made up your mind.Go with the way that makes you happy, my child. To live through life without living with what you want to do is to live a half-life.
Well, neither making bagels nor making hamburgers is going to exactly make me happy.
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Well, neither making bagels nor making hamburgers is going to exactly make me happy.
Herpes or syphilis, then
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Never seen an Einstein's here, but we have bagel shoppes up the wazoo (and everywhere else). Probably we just don't have the same niche open to them as most of the country does.
There is an Einstein bagels in my area, and one in Redbank I belive. But the local guys make them much better, the best local on is in Belmar.
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Stay with McDonald's.The pay's better, and you have opportunities to move up in a huge corporation, making your ultimate earnings potential fairly unlimited.
Stress is simply a by-product of success. If you're not stressed, you're not trying.
A little stress I would agree with but as an ex employee of a huge corporation the stress there is oftentimes not a healthy thing. The stress in the large corporation was due to the fact that, although I was a good worker, they felt I made too much because I had been in my position for three years and made about 65 cents more an hour then a brand new promotee. Therefore I was asked to continuously go above and beyond to justify my existence since I didn't fit their average pay scale. I was passed over for promotion and a raise three times and the store ended up without anyone in that position and I was doing the work anyway. I always got good reviews but when it came right down to it they forced me out in favor of someone who fit the scale. Their employee relations philosophy, quoted to me several times, was "If you don't we'll find someone who will." I was expected to relay that to my employees as well. In short, I could go to work, work my ass off and come home feeling like a failure.
McDonalds may or may not be this way, but if you find that it is, Snoota, then I wouldn't wait around for it to change.
Now I work for a small company and if I feel stressed it's because I have a desire to please the management (Who are all on site and who all once occupied my position) and carry the business. Plus, if I work hard and please the customer then I hear about it. Conversely, if I don't work hard and the customer is angry, I also hear about it. It's a much more normal situation in my eyes.
