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Topic: Good fantasy books?
Mr. Parcelan
posted 02-23-2005 05:26:38 AM
I'm lacking in appreciable stories. Recommend me some books.

A general outline of what I like:
-I liked George R.R. Martin
-Brian Jacques is okay
-Robert Jordan is shit

Vernaltemptress
Withered and Alone
posted 02-23-2005 05:37:02 AM
One question: what do you think of Crytonomicron, Snow Crash, Tigana, and/or American Gods?
Obamanomics: spend, tax, and borrow.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 02-23-2005 05:39:46 AM
quote:
Vernaltemptress got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
One question: what do you think of Crytonomicron, Snow Crash, Tigana, and/or American Gods?

My ma recommends American Gods. Never hoid of the others.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 02-23-2005 05:45:21 AM
Everything Terry Pratchett; David Eddings' Belgariad and Mallorean series; and give some of Piers Anthony's stuff a go.
Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 02-23-2005 05:45:33 AM
I've heard that the American Gods book is very well done and well worth the read. And as I suggested in the IRC.. the Amber series is also excelent to read.
Vernaltemptress
Withered and Alone
posted 02-23-2005 05:47:18 AM
Try

  • Robin Hobb
  • Elizabeth Moon - Deed of Paksennarion or the series beginning with "Rules of Engagement"
  • George R.R. Martin - series beginning with "A Game of Thrones"

    I'm sure others here will chime in with their choices.

  • Obamanomics: spend, tax, and borrow.
    Peter
    Pancake
    posted 02-23-2005 05:53:38 AM
    I Think Feast of Crows is Due out soon, if not already out.

    Try Sir ApSir Apropos Of Nothing For something a bit lighter.

    Azakias
    Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
    posted 02-23-2005 09:05:51 AM
    If you want something that is a rather... 'makes you think' type read, go for the Second Sons trilogy by Jennifer Fallon.

    Those books blew me away. They are, in order:

    Lion of Senet
    Eye of the Labyrinth
    Lord of Shadows

    Her talent at writing is amazing.

    "Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
    Lyinar Ka`Bael
    Are you looking at my pine tree again?
    posted 02-23-2005 10:03:16 AM
    quote:
    Vernaltemptress had this to say about Punky Brewster:
    One question: what do you think of Crytonomicron, Snow Crash, Tigana, and/or American Gods?

    The first two also aren't fantasy, but cyberpunk. Still, Neal Stephenson, their author, is a great writer. Snow Crash is THE book to read if you like the cyberpunk genre.

    Have you tried steampunk? There are some good stories out there for that sort of thing. Mercedes Lackey has a nice series of retold fairy tales that also involve Elemental Magic. I don't think the series has a real title, but some books are The Gates of Sleep (Sleeping Beauty), The Fire Rose (Beauty and the Beast), The Serpent's Shadow (An excellent Snow White adaptation involving Hindu gods and with a half-Hindu protagonist), and I've drawn a blank on the others. Also, her The Black Swan, an adaptation of Swan Lake, is one of my favorite books.


    Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

    Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
    I posted in a title changing thread.
    posted 02-23-2005 10:15:26 AM
    Eh...Snow Crash is NEWER cyberpunk, and if it's anything like Cryptonomicon, Stephenson probably filled it with an assload of technical details, which makes it more pertinent in relation to today's technology...

    But it's generally accepted that the keynote novel of the true "Cyberpunk" genre (and be careful with your definition) is still "Neuromancer" by William Gibson.


    That's just me the literature guy splitting hairs, though. I *HIGHLY* recommend Stephenson. I had trouble with Cryptonomicon at the start...he walks you through a lot of number theory and cryptography, which to a non-math guy like me was a major turn-off, but it was an IMMENSELY satisfying read. From what Lyinar and our friend Quin tell me, Snow Crash is a much easier read.

    As for Steampunk, I highly recommend it for the fantasy/history buff. I enjoy steampunk fantasy, but no one really seems to write Steampunk fantasy. It's either fantasy with disguised technology (the very enjoyable Archangel line of books was like that) or it's science with an element of fantasy (a la the Force in Star Wars). Again, my literature critic is cropping up.

    And now my comic nerd is cropping up. Snoota and I can recommend some truly enjoyable comics that will run you about $10-$15 a pop that you'll enjoy and re-read time and again. Here's a few:

    Watchmen by Alan Moore: Political, Superheroic, EXTREMELY realistic, pulls no punches. If you get through it without liking Rorschach you're a freak.

    League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Volumes 1 and 2 by Alan Moore and some other guy: One of the only steampunk tales I've seen done that got it right. Ignore the movie. The comic was so much better, more in-depth, and is full of literary references that will tickle the literature fancier in you

    Batman: The Dark Knight Returns: Quintessential Batman tale. It redefined comics, helping pull them out of the public's opinion of them being kid stuff into the realm of being legitimate literature for a more mature audience. Very noirish, with the internal dialogue of Batman running at all times

    Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
    "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
    *Also Lyinar's attack panda

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    Fizodeth
    an unflattering title
    posted 02-23-2005 10:15:49 AM
    The Belgariad and the Mallorean are great, but some people don't like em as much as his other series, The Elenium.

    Personally I enjoyed both.

    Another good series is the Myth Adventures series by Robert Aspirin, 12 books in all, sorta short. It's more of a light, humorous series with a lot of tounge-in-cheek humor. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
    I posted in a title changing thread.
    posted 02-23-2005 10:16:25 AM
    Also the Fables collections (of the ongoing series) kick serious ass. Lyinar turned me on to those.
    Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
    "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
    *Also Lyinar's attack panda

    sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

    Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
    I posted in a title changing thread.
    posted 02-23-2005 10:19:04 AM
    quote:
    Fizodeth spewed forth this undeniable truth:
    The Belgariad and the Mallorean are great, but some people don't like em as much as his other series, The Elenium.

    Personally I enjoyed both.

    Another good series is the Myth Adventures series by Robert Aspirin, 12 books in all, sorta short. It's more of a light, humorous series with a lot of tounge-in-cheek humor. I thoroughly enjoyed it.


    Myth Adventures kicks ass. Aahz rocks. If you can find the Phil Foglio-drawn "Myth Adventures" volume 1 and 2 (covers the first novel) it is SUPREMELY worth it. But the novels in and of themselves kick serious booty.

    Foglio's "Girl Genius" is also good.

    Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
    "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
    *Also Lyinar's attack panda

    sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

    Alaan
    posted 02-23-2005 10:31:15 AM
    If you like R.R. Martin you'll probably like The Black Company(Me and MorbId will never stop pushing this) series. The darker, grittier side of soldiering in a fantasy world.
    Big Easy
    Pancake
    posted 02-23-2005 05:15:15 PM
    For fantasy, I'd recommend just about anything by Roger Zelazny, including the aforementioned Amber series.

    Sci-fi, gotta go for the classics like Robert Heinlein or Isaac Asimov. I've read most of their books more than once. Time Enough For Love or Job: A Comedy of Justice are two of Heinlein's I've read through at least 4 times. Asimov's Robot series is great and defined the genre, while his Foundation series won the 1960 Hugo Award as the Best Science Fiction Series Ever.

    If you're not into classics, David Webber or Johnny Ringo write some pretty good books, too, though I can't remember any off-hand.

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    Ferret
    Poing! Poing!
    posted 02-23-2005 05:26:18 PM
    Neil Gaiman - American Gods is a definite, and Elizabeth Haydon's Rhapsody, Prophesy, and Destiny are a good trilogy.
    Fippy
    I am da law!
    posted 02-23-2005 05:30:17 PM
    Try Steven Brust's Taltos series. Excellent urban fantasy.
    baaaaarrrrrks,
    Fippy.
    Nicole
    The hip-hop-happiest bunny in all of marshmallow woods
    posted 02-24-2005 12:28:29 AM
    My reccomendations: forget what everyone else said, avoid Eddings. He/they have this annoying habit wherein, while not ALL the good guys are uberpowered, they all have perfect reasoning and flawless logic and can easily plan and strategize their way out of every situation. I've read the Belgariad and The Malloreon, STARTED on the Elenium but then I lost my library card, and this trend is sadly pretty much prevalent throughout. I'd like to read a bit more just to check, but then again, I sort of DON'T because it feels like a slog, especially with big giant books.

    As always I'm reccomending Sean Stewart, but nobody listens to me. (digression: Has anyone read the Star Wars book he wrote? I am intrigued, because I absolutely love this author, but again I am checked, as all I know of Star Wars is from the first three movies and Episode 1 - I have never read the books and know NOTHING of the lore beyond that. Still, reading the blurbs about it I smile, as it IS textbook Stewart, but then again, I kinda want to know if I'm going to drown and die in a sea of undone homework.)

    Also: I have a copy of Cryptonomicon in my room and I did, in fact, get stuck right at the beginning. Or should I say, read a bit, then discovered a copy of Tex & Molly in the Afterlife under my bookcase and proceeded to be engrossed. I should probably get back into it, but then again... I sort of don't want to read the beginning-stuff I've already read, and sort of don't want to jump in after a bit of forgetting everything. Fleh.



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    Damnati
    Filthy
    posted 02-24-2005 12:37:45 AM
    Read anything by Sara Douglass or Jacqueline Carey (Wayfarer Redemption series and Kushiel series respectively)? Both are pretty good, imo. Just avoid stuff by Goodkind. If you don't like Jordan, Goodkind will suck even worse ass than normal; if his Sword of Truth series was called, instead, the Plot Device series, it wouldn't suffer a bit...
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    Tarquinn
    Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
    posted 02-24-2005 02:15:20 AM
    quote:
    Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Duck Tales:
    Snow Crash is THE book to read if you like the cyberpunk genre.

    Whatever happened to Neuromancer, huh?


    Edit: Ja'deth beat me to it. Have a cookie.

    Also: I never really enjoyed The Dark Knight returns because I loathe the artwork. It's really, really ugly. And the story was only ok.

    Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 02-24-2005 at 02:18 AM.

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    very important poster
    a sweet title
    posted 02-24-2005 02:24:40 AM
    You want the Malazan books by Steven Erikson. There's five or so so far, and they're all rad as hell.

    First one is Gardens of the Moon.

    hey
    Katrinity
    Cookie Goddess!
    posted 02-24-2005 09:39:14 AM
    quote:
    Jens had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
    You want the Malazan books by Steven Erikson. There's five or so so far, and they're all rad as hell.

    First one is Gardens of the Moon.


    I've read Gardens of the Moon so far. Its a pretty good series..but doesn't make sense for most of the series!

    They don't explain much to you in the first book.

    Cookie Goddess Supreme
    Furry Kitsune of Power!
    Pouncer of the 12th degree!
    "Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
    Translated: "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
    Lyinar Ka`Bael
    Are you looking at my pine tree again?
    posted 02-24-2005 10:00:40 AM
    quote:
    Tarquinn had this to say about the Spice Girls:
    Whatever happened to Neuromancer, huh?



    General consensus these days seems to be that Neuromancer paved the way, and Snow Crash perfected it.

    I think Snow Crash is a great book anyway, so whether you like cyberpunk or not, it's a nice read. So's the follow-up, The Diamond Age.


    Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

    Katrinity
    Cookie Goddess!
    posted 02-24-2005 10:52:15 AM
    Since we seem to be on a cyber theme, I recommend Tad Williams' 'Otherland' trilogy. Takes place in the not very distance future where people jack into the web instead of using a computer. Children while on the web seem to start disappearing one day, leaving their bodies empty living husks back in the real world. Very good series with fantasy, scifi, cyberpunk, and mystery themes.
    Cookie Goddess Supreme
    Furry Kitsune of Power!
    Pouncer of the 12th degree!
    "Cxularath ftombn gonoragh pv'iornw hqxoxon targh!"
    Translated: "Sell your soul for a cookie?"
    Alaan
    posted 02-24-2005 06:28:33 PM
    quote:
    Katrinity's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
    Since we seem to be on a cyber theme, I recommend Tad Williams' 'Otherland' trilogy. Takes place in the not very distance future where people jack into the web instead of using a computer. Children while on the web seem to start disappearing one day, leaving their bodies empty living husks back in the real world. Very good series with fantasy, scifi, cyberpunk, and mystery themes.

    For whatever reason I just could NOT get into the first book at all. One of the few books I haven't found the will to go on with. /shrug

    MorbId
    Pancake
    posted 02-24-2005 06:56:38 PM
    As Alaan said, Black Company. They're not quite the same kind of thing as Martin's Westeros books, but they have a similar dark outlook, willingness to kill off characters, and grim humor. Well worth reading. They can be a little hard to find, though.

    Not just American Gods, but virtually anything by Gaiman is good.

    I've recently been reading through some of Elaine Cunningham's Forgotten Relams books. They're good.

    On the note of franchises, might pick up the WarCraft books if you haven't already. All the ones out are pretty good.

    Eddings books are alright, but they don't mind telling the same story over and over at all. If you thought Jordan used too many literary cliches, then possibly the Belgariad, Mallorean, and definitely The Redemption of Althalus are better avoided.

    MorbId fucked around with this message on 02-24-2005 at 06:57 PM.

    Ozimander
    $$$$$$$$$$$
    posted 02-24-2005 09:30:49 PM
    Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susan Clarke.

    I like it, and if you do a search on google you can read a synopsis.

    Taeldian
    Pancake
    posted 02-25-2005 03:01:17 AM
    quote:
    We were all impressed when Nicole wrote:
    My reccomendations: forget what everyone else said, avoid Eddings. He/they have this annoying habit wherein, while not ALL the good guys are uberpowered, they all have perfect reasoning and flawless logic and can easily plan and strategize their way out of every situation. I've read the Belgariad and The Malloreon, STARTED on the Elenium but then I lost my library card, and this trend is sadly pretty much prevalent throughout. I'd like to read a bit more just to check, but then again, I sort of DON'T because it feels like a slog, especially with big giant books.

    The Elenium is way better than the Belgariad.

    Alaan
    posted 02-25-2005 09:07:14 PM
    For something different The Magic of Recluse by L. E. Modesitt Jr. might be worth the read. Instead of just, "There is magic here!", the magic in that world is based at least loosely on real science. To go invisible, you bend light around you. Which means that while they can't see you, you can't see jack shit either because no light is reaching you. Healers don't just go "Poof! You are fixed!", they either forcefully kill virii in you, or just give your cell regeneration a big boost. Also the Black Mages are healers and White Mages blow shit up!
    Fizodeth
    an unflattering title
    posted 02-25-2005 10:09:52 PM
    The Belgariad was an interesting story, but it seemed like Eddings' debut in writing. Great story, but there were a few things that he could have done better, like overuse of metaphors. The same metaphor.

    However he's a lot better in the Elenium.

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