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Topic: New Avengers #1 and Green Lantern Rebirth #2
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 12-03-2004 01:19:55 AM
Just picked these two up today!

New Avengers #1

Well, this is quite interesting...it looks as though they're re-introducing someone unknown to me. The Sentry. Aparently he's something like, as Spider-Woman says "The Strongest Superhero ever known, according to Reed Richards". I googled the name and he was supposedly created by Lee and Kirby BEFORE the Fantastic Four. Whatever.

Anywho...the new lineup is going to be a little weird. It's looking live Wolverine, Captain America, This Sentry Fellow, SPIDER-MAN (?!), Spider-Woman, Luke Cage and...maybe some others. A bit wonky, but hey, I'm willing to give it a chance.

Cap says Smartass...hrm

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Green Lantern: Rebirth #2

Ok, this one rocks. Pick up Rebirth #1 if you haven't gotten it. It's a fairly decent jumping on point if you're looking to get into GL. They explain quite a bit. Anywho, so Hal went crazy in the last one and brought back Coast City (hrm...) and showed up in Non-Spectre form at the airport, where he met Carol. Interesting. Well, a bunch of shit happens and eventually his ring starts calling for Parrallax, shit fucks up on the JLA lookout and Bats is like, "omg lets go".

So all the Avengers show up at the airport next to Hal and Batman starts taunting him, then all hell breaks loose and Parrallax is about to be awaken. Except the Guardians are all, "No way jose!" and that's where it ends.

EXCELLENCE in Comics I say. I can't fucking wait another month for 3.

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Check these books out, forthcoming reviews on the new X-Men and Spidey books when they come in later this month (to my door, I subscribe)

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Taeolas
Pancake
posted 12-03-2004 10:51:59 AM
Re: Avengers.

Sentry is basically the biggest Retcon ever in Marvel History, and one of the most successful (as in the books it happened in were generally viewed as quite well done).

Basically, The Sentry 'existed' in Classic MU, back when the Avengers and FF were forming and stuff like that. He was a Pre-Crisis Superman type character, able to do just about anything and everything. He had his hands in many of the big events of the Early Marvel Universe, and he was close friends with all the big heroes; Spidey, Reed, Capt, Prof X, etc.... He even attended Reed and Sue's wedding way back when.

But a big hero like that needs a huge villain to fight, especially in the Marvel Universe. In Sentry's case, it was a villain called the Void (I think). The Void was a major baddy, who could basically null out anything and everything around it. And it was tied tightly to the Sentry.

So while helping out the rest of the MU, much of Sentry's time was actually spent trying to keep the Void away, despite the fact that it was constantly drawn to him.

Eventually, the Sentry discovered/realized that the Void was really a big part of himself; his alter ego basically or something like that. The Void was posing to be a huge threat to Earth when he realized that, and he finally concluded that to save the Earth, he basically had to null himself out of existance as Sentry.

So I believe with Reeds, Dr. Strange and Prof X I think, he came up with a way that removed all memory and evidence that The Sentry ever existed from the Marvel Universe. That 'fixed' universe is the one we've been seeing for the past 40 years or so.

And once the spell/device went off, Sentry 'retired' and the Void ceased to be a threat; he took up a civilian life, married someone and became a drunk to avoid remembering what he once was and to avoid the urge to go help since if he ever did that the threat of the Void would return.

(The last bit I'm mostly guessing at based on factoids I've picked up from various other discussions; I missed getting the last few books of the series to see how it went.)

Now how can Sentry be on the Avengers, I have no idea. He must be coming back out but I don't think anyone is sure what this means (is he keeping most of his power in check so he doesn't bring the Void back out? When will the Void return? etc....)
Anyways that's the Sentry.

very important poster
a sweet title
posted 12-03-2004 03:26:51 PM
someone explain what the fuck is going on in the green lantern universe to me

I started reading the Rebirth (1 and 2 so far) series and I like them, but there's a lot of shit I'm going all whaaaaat at

hey
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 12-04-2004 12:43:21 PM
quote:
Taeolas got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Re: Avengers.

Sentry is basically the biggest Retcon ever in Marvel History, and one of the most successful (as in the books it happened in were generally viewed as quite well done).

Basically, The Sentry 'existed' in Classic MU, back when the Avengers and FF were forming and stuff like that. He was a Pre-Crisis Superman type character, able to do just about anything and everything. He had his hands in many of the big events of the Early Marvel Universe, and he was close friends with all the big heroes; Spidey, Reed, Capt, Prof X, etc.... He even attended Reed and Sue's wedding way back when.

But a big hero like that needs a huge villain to fight, especially in the Marvel Universe. In Sentry's case, it was a villain called the Void (I think). The Void was a major baddy, who could basically null out anything and everything around it. And it was tied tightly to the Sentry.

So while helping out the rest of the MU, much of Sentry's time was actually spent trying to keep the Void away, despite the fact that it was constantly drawn to him.

Eventually, the Sentry discovered/realized that the Void was really a big part of himself; his alter ego basically or something like that. The Void was posing to be a huge threat to Earth when he realized that, and he finally concluded that to save the Earth, he basically had to null himself out of existance as Sentry.

So I believe with Reeds, Dr. Strange and Prof X I think, he came up with a way that removed all memory and evidence that The Sentry ever existed from the Marvel Universe. That 'fixed' universe is the one we've been seeing for the past 40 years or so.

And once the spell/device went off, Sentry 'retired' and the Void ceased to be a threat; he took up a civilian life, married someone and became a drunk to avoid remembering what he once was and to avoid the urge to go help since if he ever did that the threat of the Void would return.

(The last bit I'm mostly guessing at based on factoids I've picked up from various other discussions; I missed getting the last few books of the series to see how it went.)

Now how can Sentry be on the Avengers, I have no idea. He must be coming back out but I don't think anyone is sure what this means (is he keeping most of his power in check so he doesn't bring the Void back out? When will the Void return? etc....)
Anyways that's the Sentry.


That's fucking dumb.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 12-05-2004 09:30:20 AM
FYI: Spider-Man was a reserve Avenger in the past.


And the Sentry thing isn't nearly as lame as the Hal/Green Lantern thing.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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very important poster
a sweet title
posted 12-05-2004 11:31:52 AM
Hal coming back really isn't lame at all.
hey
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 12-05-2004 12:14:17 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:
FYI: Spider-Man was a reserve Avenger in the past.


And the Sentry thing isn't nearly as lame as the Hal/Green Lantern thing.


Actually, Hal coming back fucking RULES.

Hal is

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 12-05-2004 12:15:59 PM
quote:
Jens spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Hal coming back really isn't lame at all.

No it wouldn't have been lame if they brought him back a year or two after he was gone. However, they didn't do that. They had Parallax almost destroy the universe. They had Parallax resolve the "Final Night" crisis as his big good-bye. They brought Hal back as the Spectre. Hal was even a pseudo-mentor to Kyle when Kyle had absorbed the power of Ion. But Hal was settled. For nearly a decade, or at least half a decade (it's actually closer to a decade) Hal was out. Done. Finito. Out. He wiped out the previous GL Corp.

Now they've re-created his city (invalidating a significant incident in recent DC history) and he's back as Earth's GL (invalidating things in at least three different comic books) Give me a break. When you make a story decision, you either stick to it (like they did when Barry Allen died), or you change it and bury it fast (Spider-Clone). You don't follow a line of story for close to a decade then on the spur of the moment change things back to how they were before hand.

But frankly, DC's made a number of stupid choices lately in several other comics. It's going to bite them on the ass in the end.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 12-05-2004 12:47:57 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael wrote this stupid crap:
No it wouldn't have been lame if they brought him back a year or two after he was gone. However, they didn't do that. They had Parallax almost destroy the universe. They had Parallax resolve the "Final Night" crisis as his big good-bye. They brought Hal back as the Spectre. Hal was even a pseudo-mentor to Kyle when Kyle had absorbed the power of Ion. But Hal was settled. For nearly a decade, or at least half a decade (it's actually closer to a decade) Hal was out. Done. Finito. Out. He wiped out the previous GL Corp.

Now they've re-created his city (invalidating a significant incident in recent DC history) and he's back as Earth's GL (invalidating things in at least three different comic books) Give me a break. When you make a story decision, you either stick to it (like they did when Barry Allen died), or you change it and bury it fast (Spider-Clone). You don't follow a line of story for close to a decade then on the spur of the moment change things back to how they were before hand.

But frankly, DC's made a number of stupid choices lately in several other comics. It's going to bite them on the ass in the end.


I've only been following Rebirth...so I don't know that he's the Earth's GL again...is this true?

Rebirth 2 ends with the Guardians going, "We've got Parralax's body, bitches, bring it" because Kyle's ring keeps warning, "Parralax is coming"

And I hate Guy Gardner, ugh.

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Taeolas
Pancake
posted 12-05-2004 04:18:45 PM
Re: Sentry

quote:
OtakuPenguin wrote this stupid crap:
That's fucking dumb.

It sounds dumb, but it was done acceptably well at least from what I gather. When it came out and when it was announced that Sentry was joining the Avengers, the reaction on the boards I'm on ranged from Excitement to curiousity with very little vehemence towards the character and the big retcon that he really is.

Considering this is the same board that can come right out and scream when stuff is done unacceptably, and has at least 4 terms for stuff that can void out parts of comic continuity from consideration, I take this acceptance of The Sentry as a good sign.

(FYI, the board I'm speaking of is the Comic Book Rumbles board: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25 ; it's a board where we debate various what if fights in various situations. To make things run easier we've over the years come up with a common agreement for what is canon in a setting, and we've got terms that apply for when a fight is being set up and when some events are being tossed out from consideration.

and the 4 terms are:

Plot Induced Stupidity (PIS): When a character does something stupid just to make the plot continue or drag out longer. Flash not speedblitzing and ending most of his comics in 5 panels is an example of this.

Character Induced Stupidity (CIS): When the character acts more stupidly than you would think anyone could possibly be and still be in that position. (Captain Janeway is the #1 example of that).

Spidey vs Firelord (SvsFl): When an event occurs between 2 characters, and the EXTREMELY weaker character somehow pulls off a win without some technobabble or outside help. Named after an infamous scene a few years back when Spiderman beat the Galactus Herald Firelord in a fist fight.

Hama'ed: This is a term used when people are ignoring an entire run of a comics because the events that happened therein are just so extremely out of character for all the party's involved to have ever happened. This was named after Larry Hama's run on Batman a few years back where one of the bigger events had batman take a pointblank gunshot to his forehead and had the bullet stopped by his cowl. More recently, I think the recent run of Nightwing is being removed which had a blatant Mary Sue character, as is recent Batman and Superman teamup book which lead to Waynecorp buying up Lexcorp among other things. (I haven't read either lines so I'm not sure just HOW bad they were but the discussions about them were VERY vocal)

Anyways, I've gone way off topic. Back on topic mostly, the boards over there haven't exploded about the addition of Sentry so he seems to have been dovetailed into the past surprisingly well.

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