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Puggy
Pancake
posted 10-22-2004 11:03:15 PM
Since me and my girlfriend started dating, I've picked up on the fact that she absolutely hates her ex-boyfriend. She doesnt like talking about him, me mentioning him, she really just doesnt want to think about him period. Also, Ive noticed that she really doesnt want to do anything sexual at all. I asked her why before, and she just told me it makes her nervous. I respected that but I really didnt believe her, Ive known her for a while and I know that shes never been shy about that. I asked her again recently and she told me that theres a real reson, but she couldnt tell me what it was. I told her that whenever she was ready to tell me, I would listen to what she needed to say.

So today I was in the car with her and the subject came up again. She said she really wanted to tell me but she couldnt get it out, she said she never told anyone before and she just couldnt say it. I gave her a kiss and again told her that was fine. Earlier tonight when I called her, she said she sent me an email explaining everything. She didnt want me to read it while I was on the phone with her so I waited til I got off. It turns out her previous boyfriend raped her. More than once.

He was also a major control freak. He literally controlled pretty much every aspect of her life, who she hung out with, how long she worked, what she wore, what she ate. She says she doesnt know why she put up with it. I dont really understand it. Its obvious that she had some serious self worth problems and probably still does. She broke up with him only six months ago.

Its kind of overwhelming and I feel like I need help talking to her about it. I want to help her feel better about it and I just want to help her in any way I can. I dont know what to tell her. I dont want to say something stupid and make her feel even worse about it. I really just dont know what to say to her. How am I supposed to respond to the things shes told me? She obviously trusts me a lot to tell me about this, Im the only one shes ever told, and I dont want to make her feel like she cant trust me by saying something I shouldnt.

I guess all Im asking is... What do I do?

P.S. This is serious, and I know some people on these forums can be real sarcastic, assish, and immature when it comes to topics like this. I would really appreciate it if those people didnt post.

Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 10-22-2004 11:10:53 PM
I'd say just don't rush it. Act like her almost, don't bring up sex, her ex, anything that she doesn't bring up first.

She's been hurt and doesn't want to happen again, seems almost obvious that you shouldn't pressure her at all. Just be as good of a boyfriend as you can be, and she may start to cling to you. (After being with someone like the other guy) If you try to presure her at all, she'll panic and you'll be dropped.

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Tareshinal
Pancake
posted 10-22-2004 11:15:47 PM
I think you should do what Rodent King said. But I'd also let her know that you read the e-mail and to let her know that your going to let her take the lead for stuff like that in the relationship. Also, maybe reassuring her trust that you wont tell anyone may be a good idea... I guess what I'm trying to say is, its best just to let her know that you care about her and you plan on letting her set the pace and that she can trust on you for anything.

That's my two cents.

Callalron
Hires people with hooks
posted 10-22-2004 11:17:10 PM
Steering her towards some professional help would be a big first step. It's great that you're understanding and that you're willing to be there for her, but this is one of those things that really requires the deft touch of a professional therapist to work things out fully.

Callalron fucked around with this message on 10-22-2004 at 11:19 PM.

Callalron
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Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 10-22-2004 11:19:38 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Callalron was all like:
Steering her towards some professional help would be a big first step. It's great that you're understanding and that you're willing to be there for her, but this one of things that really requires the deft touch of a professional therapist to work things out fully.

This is a good idea. Just remember, steer, gently. Don't push. Be supportive. Some people have hang-ups about that sort of thing.

Letting her know that you told a bunch of people ont he internet would also be a bad thing.

Arttemis
Not Squire... but a guitar!
posted 10-22-2004 11:41:14 PM
I'd say "kill him" and be totally serious, but that would probably be frowned upon.

So, seek professional help.

Demos
Pancake
posted 10-22-2004 11:47:09 PM
There are a lot of support groups for people who are victims of sexual abuse and rape. I'd try to find some in the area. They are very good about secrecy, allowing people to deal with it without outside pressure. They also have good working relationships with local police departments, and usually either have therapists or counselors on staff, or have recommendations.

Hope it all turns out well, at least she has someone genuinely caring like yourself. You seem to be handling this well, and that's all the more respect to ya.

"Jesus saves, Buddha enlightens, Cthulhu thinks you'll make a nice sandwich."
Vernaltemptress
Withered and Alone
posted 10-23-2004 12:27:21 AM
I ditto Callalron's statement.

quote:
Callalron's account was hax0red to write:
Steering her towards some professional help would be a big first step. It's great that you're understanding and that you're willing to be there for her, but this is one of those things that really requires the deft touch of a professional therapist to work things out fully.
Obamanomics: spend, tax, and borrow.
Nae
Fun with Chocolate
posted 10-23-2004 12:37:59 AM
What Callalron said, and.. have her read this LJ, it has helped a lot of women that have been through that.

doot

Personally, as a woman that was raped by exes, I don't feel like a victim, I think the rapists were sick in the head and treated me in a way that I didn't deserve. I really pity them for thinking that that is the way to treat a person.

She needs to talk to a pro at these things, get it off her chest. Being silent about it doesn't help her. I hope you two can get her the help she deserves.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 10-23-2004 12:38:08 AM
quote:

There are a lot of support groups for people who are victims of sexual abuse and rape. I'd try to find some in the area. They are very good about secrecy, allowing people to deal with it without outside pressure. They also have good working relationships with local police departments, and usually either have therapists or counselors on staff, or have recommendations.

Hope it all turns out well, at least she has someone genuinely caring like yourself. You seem to be handling this well, and that's all the more respect to ya.



quote:
Steering her towards some professional help would be a big first step. It's great that you're understanding and that you're willing to be there for her, but this is one of those things that really requires the deft touch of a professional therapist to work things out fully.

Couldn't say it better myself. Folks like you allow me to have a little more faith in humanity.

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Burger
BANNED!
posted 10-23-2004 02:10:19 AM
I've never been through anything like this, but someone I'm very close to was in the same situation as you are now (only to a lesser extent).

She leaned on him so hard that he had to lean on me. If you love her, then you need to be there for her, and find people to be there for you, because it wasn't easy, even for me.

I'd say not to push the issue, not to try to "fix" her. Just be there for her, love her, care for her, and have the patience of a saint. She'll eventually open up to you, but it'll be a long time before she feels she can trust anyone. You just have to keep being there, and when she wants to deal with the deamons from her past, she will.

Bite me.

No, Really. Bite me.

Nike
Pancake
posted 10-23-2004 02:11:43 AM
She obviously doesn't feel comfortable talking to Puggy about it... all this "seek professional help" might NOT be what she needs. 6 months isn't enough time to heal the inflicted wounds... emotionally scarring... give her a much longer time before you engage in a conversation about anything sexual OR anything about her past.

She doesn't want "professional help", what she needs is Puggy to support her in any way he can, she will eventually open up, once she does everything will be ok. Now though, you really have a lot to deal with and you have the responsibility to undo the damage that had been bestowed upon her. The image of what a boyfriend is, and how a relationship should be is skewed, you have a lot to remedy Puggy... I sincerely hope you have the patience and understanding to help her.

Rape is a serious offence, when she does talk to you about it (or if you know who the guy is), persuade her to become stronger, and grow from this. LEt the image of what he is be clear to her. In time your girlfriend will look upon him and yes, maybe still feel sick... or maybe she will overlook him. She can grow stronger.

She will, all in time.

Time heals all wounds, there will always be a scar. The battle was lost for her, and it's really unfortunate, but she can still win the war. Give her time, it will all come out slowly. Trust me, and let her know she can trust you.

Winning IS everything
Mod
Pancake
posted 10-23-2004 03:07:46 AM
While this will sound weird, do consider the possibility that she's vastly exaggerating the whole thing out of hate for the guy. A girl told me pretty much that exact story once and I got all in a huff about it, a moth later it turned out that while her ex was a royal-grade asshole there was no rape or beatings involved and that she hated him because he used to cheat on her a lot. Depending on how old she is maybe she also just doesn't want to do anything sexual and is trying to pull it off without hurting your feelings.

Not saying that you should start doubting her every word but don't challenge that guy to a duel at high noon just yet, get her some professional help as people said, etc.

Mod fucked around with this message on 10-23-2004 at 03:08 AM.

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Maradon!
posted 10-23-2004 03:24:48 AM
quote:
Arttemis probably says this to all the girls:
I'd say "kill him" and be totally serious, but that would probably be frowned upon.

Weird, that's the first thing that went through my head, too.

If you think it's serious enough to warrant professional help, suggest that. Most insurance plans don't cover mental health, though, and personal therapists are fucking expensive, so she may simply be unable to do so.

Time heals all wounds. Give her a bit to warm up. Don't talk about the sexual things she doesn't want to, ever, but be playful when you're together, don't let her forget that you still want those things. Talking and outright asking can seem too much like forcing.

I also second the notion that she may be blowing everything out of proportion. She may be treating you like a rebound guy, using you for companionship and comfort but not wanting to do anything "serious" with you. If this turns out to be the case, slap the bitch and leave her on the side of the road, literally if possible.

Really only you can gauge the situation though.

CBTao
Pancake
posted 10-23-2004 03:27:53 AM
quote:
Maradon! wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Weird, that's the first thing that went through my head, too.

If you think it's serious enough to warrant professional help, suggest that. Most insurance plans don't cover mental health, though, and personal therapists are fucking expensive, so she may simply be unable to do so.

Time heals all wounds. Give her a bit to warm up. Don't talk about the sexual things she doesn't want to, ever, but be playful when you're together, don't let her forget that you still want those things. Talking and outright asking can seem too much like forcing.

I also second the notion that she may be blowing everything out of proportion. She may be treating you like a rebound guy, using you for companionship and comfort but not wanting to do anything "serious" with you. If this turns out to be the case, slap the bitch and leave her on the side of the road, literally if possible.

Really only you can gauge the situation though.


bzzzt wrong, being the rebound guy is awesome if you know you're the rebound guy.

You get to have a full on passionate relationship scaled down to a short time frame.

My last stint as a rebound boyfriend lasted a month, and shit money was it awesome.

If you think you're a rebound boyfriend, accept it, be that rebound boyfriend, but when it comes time to let it go, man let it go.

Vernaltemptress
Withered and Alone
posted 10-23-2004 03:32:50 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Nike said:
She doesn't want "professional help", what she needs is Puggy to support her in any way he can, she will eventually open up, once she does everything will be ok. Now though, you really have a lot to deal with and you have the responsibility to undo the damage that had been bestowed upon her. The image of what a boyfriend is, and how a relationship should be is skewed, you have a lot to remedy Puggy... I sincerely hope you have the patience and understanding to help her.

Sorry Nike. Puggy has no responsibility to help his girlfriend with her healing. That is her cross to bear and her responsibility to heal. It's up to no one else to take that cross or responsibility away from her. Otherwise, she'll never get over it. However, Puggy can and should encourage his girlfriend to seek professional help from people who have the knowledge and experience to help her heal appropriately.

If this becomes a serious, talking about marriage or living together relationship, then both parties should be involved in joint counseling to determine how best to cope with any issues, including sexual, related to her past history.

It's also important for her to tackle this issue now, before this negative experience causes her to develop bad habits and attitudes that will affect all future relationships she has.

EDIT: Just checked Puggy's User Info. Puggy's 16 years old!

I would add that Puggy should encourage his girlfriend to tell her parents what happened. He can offer to be with her when she tells them if she needs his strength. However, if her parents are apathetic, then she needs to go to the school counselor or a pastor. This trauma (even if only in her head), if left unresolved and unexamined, WILL have a tremendous impact on her future relationships and must be resolved professionally and not by lay psychologists.

Vernaltemptress fucked around with this message on 10-23-2004 at 04:17 AM.

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Puggy
Pancake
posted 10-24-2004 09:59:30 PM
Thanks for the help everyone. We talked about it last night and I showed her the LJ entry and she read some of it and read a lot more when she got home. I let her know that I can only help her so much, that she needs to get some professional help if she wants to heal herself as much as she can. It is possible that shes not telling the truth about all this, but I doubt it. Ive known her for a couple years and I dont think she'd do that. Plus, I know her ex-boyfriend and well... he's a pretty "angry" person. Shes told me that shes already done the rebound thing, she had a few small flings soon after they broke up but they didnt go anywhere.

Again thanks for the advice everyone, especially Nae for linking me that LJ, I think reading that is going to help her a lot.

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