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Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 10-20-2004 04:24:27 AM
Was thinking of making this a poll, but I'd rather have explanations than a ratio.

I'll try to keep this pretty simple: I was fooled by a guy online pretending to be a woman. (Call me trusting, gullible, whatever. We all make mistakes.) We started a relationship, romanced with this person a while, gave gifts, etc. Eventually I got impatient for a phone call, (It had been a LONG time with this person) made it an issue, and was told no..for obvious reasons. I looked into this person's history, and found some RL proof that this person is a guy.

Obviously I broke it off instantly, and kinda stayed away from him in general. (Aside from light chatting) Now, he doesn't know I've got this proof at all. He thinks I just got impatient about the phone call.

Now I see this person doing the exact same thing as before, posing as a woman, getting another guy to buy him things, flirting/romancing with him for whatever reason that guy does that stuff. Is it my place to tell the guy being fooled the truth? Or do I sit back and feel sorry for him?

If I make it a point to let everyone know, I humiliate this person and make myself look like a jerk in the process. If I keep quiet, I hear things about how stupid I was to let such a fine 'woman' get away.

(No, this isn't about Frolicking Imp by the way, and Zair is indeed a woman. This is all from EQ.)

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 10-20-2004 04:26:08 AM
Maybe a more-or-less anonymous email to the guy being duped with this evidence?

Otherwise, well...not really your problem, y'know?

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 10-20-2004 06:10:46 AM
Tell him to give you a gift or you break it off :-p
(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
diadem
eet bugz
posted 10-20-2004 08:24:04 AM
it my place to tell the guy being fooled the truth? Or do I sit back and feel sorry for him?

What the fuck type of quesiton is that?

It's like watching silence of the lambs and feeling sorry for buffalo bill. What the hell reasoning would you use for "sit back and feel sorry for him" if you are bothered by this, which you have every right to be?

edit:
from the sound of it either one of two things happened.
1) (the most likely scenario) You were conned, plain and simple. Someone saw you as a sucker and exploited you for your stuff. He played off your emotions while pretending he's something he's not so he could take what is yours. You now see someone else being conned, in exactly the same situation, and you have a moral delmia weather or not it is in your place to stop an innocent from being conned.

2) (the unlikely scenario) the guy either got off on it or had some guiene feleings for you. he's a guy pretending to be a woman to get you. aury's gay, do you see him pretending to be a women to get guys? no. why? becuase that's just fucking sick. the guy isn't transgender or any similar thing like that with some sort of gender confusion or whatever, he's just a dude pretending to be a women because it gets him off. that's fucked up. you were still a victim in that, only in a much more fucked up sexual way. you see someone else becoming a victim. now if the so called victim is ok with the whole him being a guy thing, that's his own problem. but if not it's someone else being fucked over, and that's probably a much worse con than losing your stuff.

what it boils down to is you were lied to and fucked over. now someone else is being lied to and fucked over and you are placing your sypmathy in the wrong area.

diadem fucked around with this message on 10-20-2004 at 08:33 AM.

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`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 10-20-2004 08:30:49 AM
What sort of gifts are you talking about? If you bought the faux-femme a bouquet from 1-800-flowers, or a box of chocolates, that's one thing, but if you bought him a VCR or any other generally useful thing that he would have otherwise had to buy for himself, then he's using the Internet to rip people off. In the former case, it's strictly a case of morals, and I personally wouldn't ruin it for them. In the latter case, however, I'd make sure the new person, and any new person, knows about it, because that amounts to theft by fraud (IMO).
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Mod
Pancake
posted 10-20-2004 12:06:46 PM
Out of curiosity, is that the Enchanter that used to hang out in serverwide.ec?

I say fuck his shit up, tell everyone you can get a hold of online that he trolls for mancyber so he can't scam any more people, etc, just don't take it into RL unless he conned you out of things that have singificant value in actual money, fucking over people's lives for pure online jackassery is not cool.

PS: E-dating sucks.
PPS: Ha ha, you dated a guy.

Mod fucked around with this message on 10-20-2004 at 12:08 PM.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Nae
Fun with Chocolate
posted 10-20-2004 12:12:46 PM
This happened to a good friend of mine in EQ. People gave him so much shit when they found out the truth about the female char. It's not like it was his fault he was tricked, but everyone gave him shit anyway.

In my opinion, you should talk to the guy and tell him what you know. He should be warned. I don't think I would go so far as announcing it in /shout or whatever.. but tell him what you know and give him access to the proof you have.

Hell, you might even want to tell the fake broad that you know and you will tell everyone if he doesn't stop that shit.

I am hoping that the gifts you gave were just in game shit right?

note: I just realised that I use the word "shit" alot! like wow... I am a potty mouth!

Nae fucked around with this message on 10-20-2004 at 12:13 PM.

Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 10-20-2004 01:19:18 PM
I'll just say I agree with Nae. She's SMRT.
I can't say anything else without being mean to people.
Ferrel
Fippy's VP
posted 10-20-2004 02:42:02 PM
A very trixy situation, especially since he played with your emotions.

I don't see anything wrong with pretending online, but if you use it to your advantage, either emotionally or financially that is wrong.

Perhaps the guy is actually interested in you but is scared to say. That aside, he should not have taken anything financially from you. Thats like a con.

Should you expose him? Maybe, do you know his intent? What kind of relationship? If we're talking a relationship you shared on an understood to be real life level, he certainly conned you. If you're talking about a relationship between characters and you gave him EQ stuff, kinda different.

Lotta grey area here, but if I were you, I'd talk to him first. Tell him you know, maybe see if you can find out a motivation. If he is clearly conning people, I'd privately share your evidence with the new person. If the guy really has feelings, its a whole lot harder. More likely then anything he is lieing to himself more then to others.

Trixy trixy.

Ferrel!
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 10-20-2004 03:11:42 PM
Honestly, I don't even see an issue, here.

Publically denounce the idiot if he's trying to scam people like he scammed you. Who gives a flying fuck if he's humiliated? He is actively deceiving people and leading them on for his own gain or personal enjoyment. That deserves zero consideration.

What happens between consenting adults is no one's business, but this doesn't qualify. Morally, your obligation is to the person being decieved. Not to the one practicing the deceit; you owe him nothing.

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Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

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Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 10-20-2004 03:13:18 PM
quote:

Honestly, I don't even see an issue, here.

Publically denounce the idiot if he's trying to scam people like he scammed you. Who gives a flying fuck if he's humiliated?


Pretty much sums up my feelings on the issue.

"Give me control of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws."
-Mayer Rothschild
Mr. Parcelan
posted 10-20-2004 06:23:55 PM
I was hoping Zair was a hot girl.
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 10-20-2004 06:35:14 PM
quote:
Rodent King got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Was thinking of making this a poll, but I'd rather have explanations than a ratio.

I'll try to keep this pretty simple: I was fooled by a guy online pretending to be a woman. (Call me trusting, gullible, whatever. We all make mistakes.) We started a relationship, romanced with this person a while, gave gifts, etc. Eventually I got impatient for a phone call, (It had been a LONG time with this person) made it an issue, and was told no..for obvious reasons. I looked into this person's history, and found some RL proof that this person is a guy.

Obviously I broke it off instantly, and kinda stayed away from him in general. (Aside from light chatting) Now, he doesn't know I've got this proof at all. He thinks I just got impatient about the phone call.

Now I see this person doing the exact same thing as before, posing as a woman, getting another guy to buy him things, flirting/romancing with him for whatever reason that guy does that stuff. Is it my place to tell the guy being fooled the truth? Or do I sit back and feel sorry for him?

If I make it a point to let everyone know, I humiliate this person and make myself look like a jerk in the process. If I keep quiet, I hear things about how stupid I was to let such a fine 'woman' get away.

(No, this isn't about Frolicking Imp by the way, and Zair is indeed a woman. This is all from EQ.)


Sink 'em. Burn 'em and sink 'em. Then get a whale to shit on the remains.

Someone lied to you. You're doing a public service keeping other people from falling prey to the same con game.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 10-20-2004 06:51:06 PM
Let the new victim know. You don't have to be nasty, just say "I thought you should know before you get too involved" etc. But standing by and doing nothing is saying you think it's okay, and if you don't, then do something about it.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 10-20-2004 08:04:49 PM
quote:
How.... Nae.... uughhhhhh:

I am hoping that the gifts you gave were just in game shit right?

Right.


I'm thinking I'll just send the new guy being suckered an email about it. Thanks for reviewing it over for me though, really helped to know that other people's ideas for what to do mirrored my own.

PS: Yes Mod, E-dating does indeed suck.

PPS: Yes Mod, I'm a dumbass.

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Zair
The Imp
posted 10-20-2004 08:07:59 PM
Was it that person who posted here for a short time? EnchantedOrchid?
Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 10-20-2004 08:10:34 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Zair was all like:
Was it that person who posted here for a short time? EnchantedOrchid?

No reason to lie about it here, so yeah. That's the guy.

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Zair
The Imp
posted 10-20-2004 08:12:51 PM
quote:
Rodent King wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
No reason to lie about it here, so yeah. That's the guy.

Well that sucks. Glad you found out for sure and were able to cut your losses.

Zair fucked around with this message on 10-20-2004 at 08:13 PM.

Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 10-20-2004 08:44:06 PM
Would I be out of line if I asked what your proof was?
Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 10-20-2004 08:58:54 PM
quote:
Bajah was naked while typing this:
Would I be out of line if I asked what your proof was?

We had swapped EQ account info a while back during some epic camps. (The 4-day long ones) After getting pretty darn frustrated about knowing the truth, I tried using his EQ password on his email account, which worked. Inside I found messages from parents calling the guy 'Nick' (Formerly Kate) Along with a lot of other damning evidence. I was afraid Nick would try to pull something with my EQ account info, so I saved screenshots to use for blackmail should he try to steal my accounts. I managed to get the EQ passwords changed in time on mine, and just avoided the guy until lately when I see him duping someone else in some chat channels. Which brings us to my problem.

Let this be a lesson to you: Make LOTS of different passwords, and don't give them out to people.

My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 10-20-2004 09:03:58 PM
quote:
Rodent King stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
No reason to lie about it here, so yeah. That's the guy.

ROFL OMGS >.<

How many times Did I have to rip into that little shit?

Cripes... Just for the pure spite of it, expose his ass and let it get the severe beating it deserves.

Synjari
Warrior Princess
Cookie Seraphim!
posted 10-20-2004 09:39:55 PM
wow I remember this guy in chat.. hadda rip into him cause he was being a jerk to the regulars in there. I remember the 'reason' he was being a jerk too.. didnt like the manner in which some of said regulars were sexually comfortable around one another enough to speak freely enough but without getting all explicit and stuff.. just yknow the usual stuff that's been done within the IRC channel around the same time frame. Then he started trying to 'retaliate' and I think was tryin to get explicit about it and RK. Regardless glad you found out, RK.. sorry it happened to you. Really.. sometimes when you find people you dont REALLY know.. do opposite of fitting in with folks you usually talk to and fit in with.. Might be good to check into their background. Man or woman.. sometimes that can just be a bad bad thing.. *stops babbling and wanders back to work stuffs*
"Villiany wears many masks, none of which are more dangerous than virtue." - "Sleepy Hollow"
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 10-21-2004 12:17:01 PM
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL ZE WANKER!
Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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