And 40/40 is ehh in my opinion. High delay.
Wait, I'm thinking like a rogue. Umm, if the procs have a stun portion, use the proccers. If not, don't. Still don't use 40/40, though. Suddar fucked around with this message on 10-02-2004 at 08:33 PM.
Two handers really aren't worth it unless the dmg exceeds the delay, so 40/40 is right out!
You always want the lowest possible delay in your primary hand because that is the hand that gets the "primary hand bonus." More hits = more damage which is why the 3/10 twig was rediculous!
For your off hand you -generally- but not always want a good ratio since there is no bonus. I'd say, 12/18 in primary and secondary. Two more damage, two less delay. Procs are random, ratios are every hit!
If you wanna go crazy though, take one of each. Might not be perfect but it can be fun!
Ferrel!
Oh well. Once I sell a couple things I'll have plenty of money to buy the two 12/18's and keep my 40/40.
You can get a non-lore 12/18 1HS with no required/recommended level for 2.5k. A 12/24 1HS can go as low as 50pp. Just thought the WR folks wanted to know that so I can enjoy the sour looks on their faces. 
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Ferrel enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Two handers really aren't worth it unless the dmg exceeds the delay, so 40/40 is right out!
Yeah, but the Reaver (the weapon in question) is hands-down the best 2H weapon pre-50's. After that I'll get a War Marshall's Bladed Staff like everyone else.
I h8 two handers. They just don't compete until the high end, and even then it's only because you take less damage when you're using them. 
Keep in mind that the two-hander is also effectively a 30/40 due to level. This also means no damage bonus (begins at 28 I think).
And 10/20 with a proc just doesn't compare to 12/18 (again assuming that it isn't a stun). I'm sorry.
:execution: Suddar fucked around with this message on 10-03-2004 at 01:05 AM.
You're a tank. If you want to do damage, pick a DPS melee. As a Warrior, you're already at a disadvantage in pickup groups for agro generation when compared to Knights. FOCUS ON AGRO.
-Tok Toktuk fucked around with this message on 10-03-2004 at 01:06 AM.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Unless I'm very mistaken, and I don't think that I am, a damage proc is no more aggro than anything else. It's when you start effecting status that mobs begin to hate you.
Edit: And since you are low level get the weapons with the procs, as those will outdamage your melee damage until probably level ~40 Noxhil fucked around with this message on 10-03-2004 at 01:17 AM.
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Suddar had this to say about John Romero:
Yeah, melee damage = aggro too.Unless I'm very mistaken, and I don't think that I am, a damage proc is no more aggro than anything else. It's when you start effecting status that mobs begin to hate you.
You're mistaken. Procs generate more agro than melee damage. Also, when dual wielding, agro generation is about how much you hit, not how hard.
-Tok
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Toktuk wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
You're mistaken. Procs generate more agro than melee damage. Also, when dual wielding, agro generation is about how much you hit, not how hard.-Tok
Tok answers before I can get back to it 
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Even though I'm not playing right now, because I refuse to compete with everybody for level 70. :\ Suddar fucked around with this message on 10-03-2004 at 01:20 AM.
You want aggro control. You're the meat shield, but that means diddly if you aren't getting hit instead of other people.
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This insanity brought to you by Suddar:
Ferrel did bring a good point to my attention over IRC, and I guess I should consider a proc weapon somewhat viable in holding aggro. Because it's a high amount of damage for your level (120 burst), assuming it procs a fair amount I could see it holding aggro decently. The best thing that you can do is probably experiment, because god knows my views are biased by the high end game, and I doubt I'm totally alone here, and things may apply differently at your level than they do at mine.Even though I'm not playing right now, because I refuse to compete with everybody for level 70. :\
Ass-stabber.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about dark elf butts:
I'm with Ferrel, Tok, and Lyinar. When you have two weapons, you potentially have two different degrees of damage (admittedly at two different speeds) AND if the weapon doesn't already have a proc you can get them with LDoN, and get all sorts of handy additional features.You want aggro control. You're the meat shield, but that means diddly if you aren't getting hit instead of other people.
None of this matters until like level 60 though. You just get in little circles and smack things until around then.
You shouldn't listen to me anyway. Since I'm a dirty backstabbing rogue, I'd personally take higher damage/lower delay over procs anyday, so I've kind of trained myself to look favorably upon those kinds of weapons. And I keep forgetting that you're asking from the position of a warrior, which is totally different than a rogues, blah blah blah, so don't listen to me. But either way, don't use the two-hander.
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Noxhil had this to say about Punky Brewster:
None of this matters until like level 60 though. You just get in little circles and smack things until around then.
Aggro control and maintaining it is good for a warrior to learn at any level
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Noxhil had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
None of this matters until like level 60 though. You just get in little circles and smack things until around then.
The notion that you shouldn't bother filling your role until you hit 60 is totally stupid. Play like you mean it, otherwise you waste everyone's time.
-Tok
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Toktuk had this to say about pies:
The notion that you shouldn't bother filling your role until you hit 60 is totally stupid. Play like you mean it, otherwise you waste everyone's time.-Tok
It's like saying I shouldn't have bothered to learn how to tash and slow carefully early, or mez until the higher levels.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Toktuk had this to say about (_|_):
The notion that you shouldn't bother filling your role until you hit 60 is totally stupid. Play like you mean it, otherwise you waste everyone's time.-Tok
Because roles change later in the game? Anyway, warriors aren't particularly complex to play anyway. They will be able to generate enough aggro without trying, then later in the game it's just a matter of decent gear, anger augs, and hitting taunt.
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JooJooFlop got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
You can get a non-lore 12/18 1HS with no required/recommended level for 2.5k. A 12/24 1HS can go as low as 50pp. Just thought the WR folks wanted to know that so I can enjoy the sour looks on their faces.
But see, that's what makes EQlive suck, and WR awesomely fun. A challenge.
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Toktuk's fortune cookie read:
The notion that you shouldn't bother filling your role until you hit 60 is totally stupid. Play like you mean it, otherwise you waste everyone's time.-Tok
I'm with Tok on this one, I was FD split pulling in my 30's in Dawnshroud Peaks. As for 2 handers against 1 handers, for agro: No idea, I'm a monk.
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Rodent King had this to say about Duck Tales:
I'm with Tok on this one, I was FD split pulling in my 30's in Dawnshroud Peaks. As for 2 handers against 1 handers, for agro: No idea, I'm a monk.
That's great. The last year I played I never saw a monk pull, not once.
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Noxhil had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Because roles change later in the game? Anyway, warriors aren't particularly complex to play anyway. They will be able to generate enough aggro without trying, then later in the game it's just a matter of decent gear, anger augs, and hitting taunt.
You do know that taunt can fail now, right? And with the stuns pallies have, and the hate line that SKs have, warriors have a harder time maintaining aggro compared to other tank classes.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Punky Brewster:
You do know that taunt can fail now, right? And with the stuns pallies have, and the hate line that SKs have, warriors have a harder time maintaining aggro compared to other tank classes.
Taunt could always fail, just now there are messages. Knights have always (well, for quite a long time anyway) been excellent tanks.
I used to dual wield procing weapons till I got ahold of some low delay weapons... After a while, with the weapons I had, I went low delay in primary and decent ratio with substantial proc in the offhand...
Hell, you're a Warrior, get a Copper Plated Hammer and be happy smiting the fuck outta things.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I don't have a very tough time keeping aggro now thanks to Provoke. As for the 10/20 120dmg proc weapons I'm referring to the Snowchipper and Spiked Velium Mallet, unusable until Lv.51. I plan on using Steel-Laced Etched Snake Whips (12/18) at least until then. I just wonder if the superior damage/delay on the whips will be enough to out-do the procs on the other weapons, which proc fairly frequently (probably 3-5 times a fight if I dual wield them).
Right now Provoke may be enough, but at level 51 on Terris, I had a HARD time keeping agro until I bought a Copper Hammer of Striking, augmented it with a warm emerald shard which gave it a 50 point fire proc, and got a sword of the bloodsworn. 3 procs even with a 100 dex went off a lot and on top of provoke, Aggro was pretty much mine unless there was a 55+ melee in my group.
However, at level 52 a warrior gets Bellow which pretty much seals the deal. I havn't had anything get aggro from me except a level 66 Shadowknight in my guild.
The Copper Hammer makes a GOOD weapon for damage AND holding agro, I think it's 13/20 and has Force Shock, which effectively gets twice the agro than most other procs because it's a DD and Stun. Sword of the Bloodsworn is another good choice, nice ratio, 12/19 with a 75 damage proc or so, I still use it in my off hand.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I don't have a very tough time keeping aggro now thanks to Provoke. As for the 10/20 120dmg proc weapons I'm referring to the Snowchipper and Spiked Velium Mallet, unusable until Lv.51. I plan on using Steel-Laced Etched Snake Whips (12/18) at least until then. I just wonder if the superior damage/delay on the whips will be enough to out-do the procs on the other weapons, which proc fairly frequently (probably 3-5 times a fight if I dual wield them).
I used that weapon combo specifically... Not worth using over the 12/18's. They proc too infrequently to be worth it (I averaged 1.5 to 2 procs per fight) unless they've changed them. Keep in mind that I *always* had 200+ dex (usually around 220), a 34% hast belt and at least Celerity when I couldn't get VoG or WR (bonus of having a pocket shaman).
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We were all impressed when JooJooFlop wrote:
You can get a non-lore 12/18 1HS with no required/recommended level for 2.5k. A 12/24 1HS can go as low as 50pp. Just thought the WR folks wanted to know that so I can enjoy the sour looks on their faces.
...why would we have sour looks on our faces?
w-hat
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JooJooFlop thought about the meaning of life:
I dunno, I always seem to kill things faster with my 40/40 2Her (effectivly 30/40 because I'm below Lv.30) than I do with my two 12/24 1Hers.Oh well. Once I sell a couple things I'll have plenty of money to buy the two 12/18's and keep my 40/40.
You can get a non-lore 12/18 1HS with no required/recommended level for 2.5k. A 12/24 1HS can go as low as 50pp. Just thought the WR folks wanted to know that so I can enjoy the sour looks on their faces.
So because really sucky weapons are cheap on EQlive, we should have sour looks on our faces...?
Or are you somehow arguing that the ratio has an exponential value oblivious to context such as mob power, general weapon strength, and so on?
It's not like we WANT mudflation. Zaza fucked around with this message on 10-03-2004 at 10:06 AM.
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Zaza had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
It's not like we WANT mudflation.
That's why I figured you and other WR people would think "ewww" when hearing how cheap some things are getting. As far as I understand itemization on WR is about on par with Velious-era EQ Live. A 12/18 1HS I imagine would be very high end there.
