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Topic: Added in the NJO, what is the current status of the Star Wars Universe?
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 09-16-2004 02:05:58 AM
SPOILERS ARE INTENDED IN THIS THREAD!

I'm intensely curiously. Recently, I've put my foot in my mouth decided that the NJO may not be so bad. But I've heard so much and there is so many books.

So, what is the current state of the Galaxy? The Vong gone? What's with this "living" Force and the "No Light or Dark Side" stuff?

OtakuPenguin fucked around with this message on 09-16-2004 at 02:06 AM.

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Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 09-16-2004 04:01:42 AM
The galaxy is pretty much fucked. The death toll just for the Alliance side was over 365 Trillion. And many of the planets you know and love are destroyed or changed beyond recognition.

Zonama Sekot is basically a fragment of the Vong Home-world and finding it fulfilled the prophecy and shut them the hell up. The reason they were unable to be seen by the force is because they committed such atrocities that the force essentially shut them off. They are beginning the process of returning from that but it will take time, it appears that they will integrate slowly into the Galaxy. The whole old order is dead. Empire and New Republic forces are working together and are forming a new unified government.

The Jedi are discovering that they don't know jack squat about the force and that many of their ideas were wrong or at least misguided. Yes You can still become evil through the force. But you can also become an avatar of good. It isn't the power that makes the choice. It is the being, and the way they choose to use that power. Remember from episode 4. The force flows through everything. It is everything. Does that sound like something that is evil or good? No. It just is. The way a person chooses to use that power is what determines good or evil. Use it to murder or for personal gain and you are going to go bad. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. However use it in a just cause and you will remain "pure"

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 09-16-2004 07:17:21 AM
Since Lucas screwed over many of the prequel books with his new movies, it's safe to say that anything in any of books happened in some alternate Star Wars Universe and not the real one.
OtakuPenguin
Peels like a tangerine, but is juicy like an orange.
posted 09-16-2004 08:34:45 AM
No more Imperial Remnant? =(

I my Imperials =(

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Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 09-16-2004 10:47:50 AM
The EU is considered quasi-canon until it contradicts something with higher canon-ness. That would be movie novelizations, radio plays, and of course, the movies. So unless the movies are directly contradicted by what's written in a book, you can consider the books about as good as a real-life history book.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 09-16-2004 12:35:51 PM
Midichlorians.

They let the guy who created Drzzt write Star Wars.

Anakin Solo....Dead, after being made out to be something EXTREMELY important. Why? Author felt they should write him out. Oops.

Chewbacca....Dead, saving Anakin, who later died for no reason other than the one listed above.

While I'm sure the story continues interestingly, it still smacks to me of a small literary circle with authors who don't talk to one another about the direction they want to take things, and therefore go willy-nilly with whatever sounds good at the time.

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Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 09-16-2004 01:29:42 PM
quote:
This one time, at Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael camp:
While I'm sure the story continues interestingly, it still smacks to me of a small literary circle with authors who don't talk to one another about the direction they want to take things, and therefore go willy-nilly with whatever sounds good at the time.

It's mostly Lucas' fault. He has veto power over the books and, in fact, it was his idea to kill off Chewbacca and Anakin because only bit characters that no one cared about had died after Chewbacca's death(which was intended to show that the Vong meant business). Poor Salvatore was terrified of writing Chewbacca's death scene. I read an interview where he said it took him nearly a month just to write the four pages that Chewbacca died in.

And President Borsk Fey'lya had the coolest death. I absolutely hated his character until he died.

Blindy
Roll for initiative, Monkey Boy!
posted 09-16-2004 01:36:31 PM
I've grown to dispise anything EU. Why? Because it seems like Dragonball Z style plot. I like stories with well defined realities. I don't like it when things are thrown in that were called impossible just to make a story work. The EU seems to be fraut with that.
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Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 09-16-2004 02:07:31 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael was all like:
Midichlorians.

They let the guy who created Drzzt write Star Wars.

Anakin Solo....Dead, after being made out to be something EXTREMELY important. Why? Author felt they should write him out. Oops.

Chewbacca....Dead, saving Anakin, who later died for no reason other than the one listed above.

While I'm sure the story continues interestingly, it still smacks to me of a small literary circle with authors who don't talk to one another about the direction they want to take things, and therefore go willy-nilly with whatever sounds good at the time.



I hate to break this to you Deth but the writers were not the one who made the choice to kill off those characters. It was Lucas and he has said it before, I have told you thins but you keep chanting the same mantra despite the facts.

Also Anakin did more through his death than he ever could have in life. It set a whole chain of events in place.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 09-16-2004 02:35:29 PM
^^^^^

quote:
Azizza Model 2000 was programmed to say:
I have told you thins but you keep chanting the same mantra despite the facts.

Snoota fucked around with this message on 09-16-2004 at 02:35 PM.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 09-16-2004 02:52:12 PM
quote:
Azizza Model 2000 was programmed to say:
I hate to break this to you Deth but the writers were not the one who made the choice to kill off those characters. It was Lucas and he has said it before, I have told you thins but you keep chanting the same mantra despite the facts.

Also Anakin did more through his death than he ever could have in life. It set a whole chain of events in place.


Blah blah blah "more in his death than he ever could have in life" my EYE. And hiding behind Lucas doesn't work because he's the dickhead who, despite kicking things off, then turned around and wrote in star wars mitochondria as the thingers that let people feel the Force, which seems to contradict the vaunted story about why the Vong can't feel the Force.

For that matter, if the Force is a sentient energy that surrounds and binds all living things together, how is it that the Vong got disconnected? They're alive, right? Even the fucking BORG from Star Trek, who've replaced much of their bodies with unliving metal, are still living creatures. Sounds like more inconsistencies to me.

And I don't want to hear how Salvatore was so scared to write Chewbacca's death. He did it. Like it or not. Lucas or not (don't get me wrong, I respect the guy for creating the setting and the movies, but jebus...). The excuse is that they needed a "serious" death? That's because they filled the author pool with shitty writers who made the EU a joke, and they scrambled and overcompensated to fix it.

I will even buy into the idea that the Force in and of itself is an energy field that can be turned Light or Dark. But don't try to sell me on the idea that the EU is heading anywhere but into the crapper.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Led
*kaboom*
posted 09-16-2004 02:56:21 PM
The only starwars EU books I have read were the Jedi Academy trilogy. Should I just stop there? ;p
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 09-16-2004 03:17:04 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again. Chewie had to die. Just like Han, Leia and all the others will have to die as more books are written.

And the force cut the Vong off due to their past. Think Karma

It seems to me the people who dont' like the books are the ones who see it as "their Universe" It isnt' Lucas created it. If he decides that the whole damn thing implodes in the next book then that is what happens.

Azizza fucked around with this message on 09-16-2004 at 03:19 PM.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Kiltbot
Pancake
posted 09-16-2004 03:22:48 PM
just read the thrawn trilogy by zahn....then you can stop. the only real decent author in the entire work. on the other hand, there are few enough excellent authors out there that perhaps the eu is on par with most of it.

*edited because i seemed too odd for my own tastes*

Trahyrn fucked around with this message on 09-16-2004 at 03:29 PM.

i dont need a sig.
being new it would be marginalized anyways.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 09-16-2004 04:34:33 PM
quote:
Azizza's account was hax0red to write:
If he decides that the whole damn thing implodes in the next book then that is what happens.

That doesn't mean we have to like it. Get over yourself.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 09-16-2004 04:39:40 PM
quote:
Densetsu enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
That doesn't mean we have to like it. Get over yourself.

No we don't have to like it but don't blame the authors of the books and act like they are going off and making this shit up. Lucas goes through these books and doesn't' let them get away with anything he doesn't want done. There are a lot of things in the EU books that I don't like or agree with. However I can also see why a lot of them are done.

I am not the one claiming that I should have the say in how the books are written and what should happen in them.

Azizza fucked around with this message on 09-16-2004 at 04:41 PM.

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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 09-16-2004 04:45:25 PM
You're wrong, actually.

Lucas doesn't go to the authors and say, "Hey, I want you to write this book, and it must contain this and this and this."

The writers offer a proposal of the book and its summary of events to Lucas, and he either says yes or no to it.

The deaths of Chewie and Anakin WERE the writer's faults, Lucas just said it was okay after they proposed it, because he doesn't really care where the universe goes as long as it remains Star Wars.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Tier
posted 09-16-2004 06:14:14 PM
Jeeze. This thread is like.. geekness wrapped in a thick layer of nerd.
Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 09-16-2004 08:09:19 PM
In the written form, Chewbacca was a pointless character.
All of the Solo kids were growing stagnate after their GRAND HEROIC EXPLOITS TO THE ENDS OF THE GALAXY in all those godawful Young Jedi Knight novels.

Don't condemn the whole fucking series because you're some douche who plays favorites with horrible characters.

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