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Topic: I'm very mad at Dungeon Keeper 2 right now.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 09-01-2004 12:58:51 AM
Fae, in the Evil Genius thread, got my interest sparked to play DK2 again. So, I tracked down the version 1.7 patch, loaded it up, lo and behold they finally got it working in XP with the 1.7 patch. I tried a few campaign missions, but got bored with those. So, I tried some My Pet Dungeon games. The way MPD works... you start out with nothing, and build a dungeon from scratch. Some maps have very limited gold, some maps have no portals (You either find minions in hidden places on the map, or you create them from the prisons/graveyards). Some have lava EVERYWHERE so you can only build on certain islands in the sea of lava.

Enemies don't spawn in on MPD missions, unless you spawn them in manually, so you can spawn in a lot for a hard fight, few for an easy one, or drop enemies in manually to test your dungeon's traps and such.

I was on the very LAST My Pet Dungeon level, Masterpeice. To win the level, you need 50,000 points. You get huge (IE : 15k or more) point bonuses for building a temple that's larger than 25 spaces, and for attracting 2 dark angels to your dungeon.

I had amassed a dungeon worthy of song and tale. It was huge, a fortress, with traps and alarms everywhere. Amazingly lethal. My minions were cruel and evil, experienced too. Most were level 10 (Best in the game). I had a fortune unsurpassed (Over 1.5 million gold, in like 20 different GIANT treasure rooms). Nearly every last one of my imps could teleport from one side of the world to the other, and could complete tasks almost the instant I gave it to them.

Yet, I could not finish, for the game would not give me the 2nd dark angel I needed to win. I tried dumping everything into the temple as sacrifices, hoping the gods would bless me with a dark angel - that didn't work. I dumped everything from my dungeon, except my dark angel, hoping I would get a 2nd. That didn't work. I built extra temples - total of four, all huge and kewl looking. That didn't work.

At that point, I had 35,000 points. So, I simply got all my guys up to level 10, stuck them outside the hero gate, and set it to constantly spawn in enemies. A half-hour later I came back and discovered I still needed 10,000 points to win the level. At which point, I not only kept the auto-spawn on, I also set all the guys in the hero toolbox to be level 10, and dropped them in the middle of the battle. That's when the game crashed. 3 hours building that dungeon, and I would have won if the game had given me JUST ONE MORE FUCKING DARK ANGEL.

JUST ONE GODDAMN MORE DARK ANGEL

#!@TYGWHTHNWOG#QUAHROGWAHO





Khyron fucked around with this message on 09-01-2004 at 12:59 AM.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-01-2004 01:59:18 AM
Omg let's make fun of khyron becuz he whined about a game lolz i'm

The MPD was the most fun I've had with DK2, really. Sorry it sucked so hard for you, Khy.

Cleo
Pancake
posted 09-01-2004 02:19:19 AM
The dark angels have always been buggy for me, I can't remember if I ever even got one because the temples didn't work for me. God I miss that game. Some asswipe (there really is no other applicable term for him) "borrowed" it, then promptly ceased to be my friend whilst it was still in his possession. It was such a fun game, too...I would spend hour after hour hacking at it. Meeemries....of a day before MMORPGs Although DK2 in multiplayer is pretty damn fun, too...
nama no naka
modi no naka
katse no naka
yume no naka
sesshoumaru-sama, doko ni ruu
Jaken-sama, oo shita naite
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-01-2004 02:20:21 AM
Khyron, if I found my CDs, would you kindly whup my sorry ass at DK2 MP? Heh, heh. It's not like we'll have lag/frameloss issues, haha! D:
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 09-01-2004 02:20:52 AM
Dark Angels are a pain in the ass to attact sometimes. I build multiple 5x5 temples and toss away lesser units in the hope that an angel will come.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-01-2004 02:25:23 AM
Haha! Wtf. I found my DK2 jewel case, and on the back, there's an advertisment for Shogun: Total war. It says: "Multiplayer support for up to eight players over LAN, Internet and E-mail" Email? Wtf? Hahah!
Led
*kaboom*
posted 09-01-2004 02:41:59 AM
Never could find a copy of DK2 Woe is me!
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-01-2004 03:04:33 AM
quote:
Led got bored and wrote this:
Never could find a copy of DK2 Woe is me!

WOE!

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 09-01-2004 03:07:29 AM
Google search Dungeon Keeper 2. You'll find lots of places that have it for sale. Some even have it packaged with the first Dungeon Keeper, which I also highly recommend.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-01-2004 03:10:47 AM
quote:
Blah blah blah JooJooFlop blah blah blah...
Google search Dungeon Keeper 2. You'll find lots of places that have it for sale. Some even have it packaged with the first Dungeon Keeper, which I also highly recommend.

Yes. Don't bother with EA's site with the patch, however; I searched for "Dungeon Keeper 2" and got everything BUT DK2. The first result was some WW2 game, the rest were multiple copies of the same game, cross platform that had the number 2 in the title. Go to fileplanet and hit patches > Strategy > Real time > DK series.

New Age Bane
Waste Management Crisis
posted 09-01-2004 10:57:10 AM
I want the full version of Evil Genius!
What am I supposed to in here again? Oh yes something witty and oh so pretty!
Tier
posted 09-01-2004 12:16:47 PM
quote:
From the book of Khyron, chapter 3, verse 16:
Fae, in the Evil Genius thread, got my interest sparked to play DK2 again. So, I tracked down the version 1.7 patch, loaded it up, lo and behold they finally got it working in XP with the 1.7 patch. I tried a few campaign missions, but got bored with those. So, I tried some My Pet Dungeon games. The way MPD works... you start out with nothing, and build a dungeon from scratch. Some maps have very limited gold, some maps have no portals (You either find minions in hidden places on the map, or you create them from the prisons/graveyards). Some have lava EVERYWHERE so you can only build on certain islands in the sea of lava.

Enemies don't spawn in on MPD missions, unless you spawn them in manually, so you can spawn in a lot for a hard fight, few for an easy one, or drop enemies in manually to test your dungeon's traps and such.

I was on the very LAST My Pet Dungeon level, Masterpeice. To win the level, you need 50,000 points. You get huge (IE : 15k or more) point bonuses for building a temple that's larger than 25 spaces, and for attracting 2 dark angels to your dungeon.

I had amassed a dungeon worthy of song and tale. It was huge, a fortress, with traps and alarms everywhere. Amazingly lethal. My minions were cruel and evil, experienced too. Most were level 10 (Best in the game). I had a fortune unsurpassed (Over 1.5 million gold, in like 20 different GIANT treasure rooms). Nearly every last one of my imps could teleport from one side of the world to the other, and could complete tasks almost the instant I gave it to them.

Yet, I could not finish, for the game would not give me the 2nd dark angel I needed to win. I tried dumping everything into the temple as sacrifices, hoping the gods would bless me with a dark angel - that didn't work. I dumped everything from my dungeon, except my dark angel, hoping I would get a 2nd. That didn't work. I built extra temples - total of four, all huge and kewl looking. That didn't work.

At that point, I had 35,000 points. So, I simply got all my guys up to level 10, stuck them outside the hero gate, and set it to constantly spawn in enemies. A half-hour later I came back and discovered I still needed 10,000 points to win the level. At which point, I not only kept the auto-spawn on, I also set all the guys in the hero toolbox to be level 10, and dropped them in the middle of the battle. That's when the game crashed. 3 hours building that dungeon, and I would have won if the game had given me JUST ONE MORE FUCKING DARK ANGEL.


I only used unique creatures in that dungeon. One L10 (possessed) vampire with a L10 Dark Angel and Dark Knight can hold a full wave of L8,9 and 10 heroes at once. Let's just say the points for the dungeon came in fast =)

Asha'man fucked around with this message on 09-01-2004 at 12:17 PM.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 09-01-2004 12:26:57 PM
That's about the only way I'll be able to finish, I think. Build a temple, look up a FAQ, and build an 'elite' temple to draw in the uber-DA.

See, Fae? That's one thing that Evil Genius has that DK2 doesn't. If I want a specific unit, I can tell the game that, and I GET a specific unit. I don't sit here for an hour and a half trying to either sacrifice shit at the temple, or trying to toss out every single creature in my dungeon in the hopes that the Dark Angle picture at the bottom goes from 1 to 2

Elvish Crack Piper
Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
posted 09-01-2004 12:39:33 PM
Its because your FTP isnt up.

The Karam gods are spiting you.

I miss anime

(Insert Funny Phrase Here)
Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 09-01-2004 12:49:18 PM
Look for a delux box called... uh... dammit. Its "(Something) of Darkness".

It comes with DK2, Clive Barker's undying, Alice, Dracula 1 and 2. Its about 20 bucks, not bad even though there are only 1 or 2 decent games in the bunch.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Faelynn LeAndris
Lusty busty redheaded wood elf with sharp claws
posted 09-01-2004 01:14:41 PM
quote:
Khyron enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
That's about the only way I'll be able to finish, I think. Build a temple, look up a FAQ, and build an 'elite' temple to draw in the uber-DA.

See, Fae? That's one thing that Evil Genius has that DK2 doesn't. If I want a specific unit, I can tell the game that, and I GET a specific unit. I don't sit here for an hour and a half trying to either sacrifice shit at the temple, or trying to toss out every single creature in my dungeon in the hopes that the Dark Angle picture at the bottom goes from 1 to 2


Actually, Khyron, when you get to the FAQs, you'll find the tips and tricks to influencing the units you get. You can directly influence the rate and type of creatures you get depending on the setup of your dungeon.

Having a Temple, and Mostly Mistresses and Dark Knights in your Dungeons increases your chances of getting a Dark Angel. The location of your Temple to other parts of your Dungeon also increase your chances. In fact you will get updates on how your creatures feel about your dungeon on it's efficiency.

Having a lair built right next to your portal, without anything else in your dungeon will attract flies. So build the lair next to a portal, and take some time excavating other parts of your DUnegon without building other rooms for a few minutes to get your flies. Flies are also rare until you dig far enough into a dungeon to break into open spaces. ie: Spaces over water or lava or such that a Fly can actually fly around.

Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 09-01-2004 at 01:16 PM.


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Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 09-01-2004 01:59:58 PM
quote:
Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Actually, Khyron, when you get to the FAQs, you'll find the tips and tricks to influencing the units you get. You can directly influence the rate and type of creatures you get depending on the setup of your dungeon.

Having a Temple, and Mostly Mistresses and Dark Knights in your Dungeons increases your chances of getting a Dark Angel. The location of your Temple to other parts of your Dungeon also increase your chances. In fact you will get updates on how your creatures feel about your dungeon on it's efficiency.

Having a lair built right next to your portal, without anything else in your dungeon will attract flies. So build the lair next to a portal, and take some time excavating other parts of your DUnegon without building other rooms for a few minutes to get your flies. Flies are also rare until you dig far enough into a dungeon to break into open spaces. ie: Spaces over water or lava or such that a Fly can actually fly around.


Ah, but there you prove my point.

If I want to make more guards, I click a plus button next to the guard counter on my minion page. If I want 5, I set it to five. No guessing exactly how to build the base so that they come to me - I make them appear, not the other way around. I also don't dump out tons of other minions to get them

And here's the real kicker - I built a new MPD, threw up a bunch of crap, built a tiny temple out in nowheresville on the map, threw in three imps, and got two dark angels. Who then never went near the temple, and instead gambled at my casino until one got a jackpot.

Khyron fucked around with this message on 09-01-2004 at 02:00 PM.

very important poster
a sweet title
posted 09-01-2004 03:48:49 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Khyron:
If I want to make more guards, I click a plus button next to the guard counter on my minion page. If I want 5, I set it to five. No guessing exactly how to build the base so that they come to me - I make them appear, not the other way around. I also don't dump out tons of other minions to get them

I uh, don't think those are good qualities at all.

That sounds remarkably like summoning your items and setting your level in EQ.

hey
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 09-01-2004 03:53:50 PM
quote:
Jens had this to say about Cuba:
I uh, don't think those are good qualities at all.

That sounds remarkably like summoning your items and setting your level in EQ.


Nah. The thing to keep in mind is that in the game, you need to keep a balance between having a well-guarded base, and having a minimal amount of 'heat'.

If an agent gets in your base, the more 'heat' he sees, the more agents get dispatched. If an agent can get in but sees no 'heat', then he reports back that much.

Construction workers generate NO heat at all. Guards generate a little, Mercenaries generate more, on and on up the line. You want to seem harmless so they won't send any agents after you. If an agent sees heat, he can be terminated, but that will generate heat as well (U.S. Sends a spy in, spy never comes back, they know something's fishy. As opposed to the spy going in, seeing that nothing is happening, and leaving).

Too many guards will make the spies and agents realise something's up. Also, there's your budget to consider - guards cost more to maintain than construction workers do.

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 09-01-2004 04:09:04 PM
Also the fact that it takes time to train them, and you're losing a construction worker for that time (Since it doesn't count them as guards yet).

I just finished a three or so hour long MPD game on the masterpeice level; good god, my finger hurts from slapping all those fucking prisoners to death.. I think I had 30 vampires by the time I hit the point target, and I'd sacrificed anything below trolls.. even maidens (Dunno how I got those spider bitches) to nab a few dark angels.

It was horrible, though; Eventually, my casino got so popular that my people were becoming unhappy because they didn't have food or a lair, or hadn't gotten paid.
I'm sorry, but when you spend ALL YOUR TIME gambling, you stupid fucking spider bitch, don't whine when you are hungry, tired, and out of cash! It was even generous, too! WHY DO YOU NEED TO BE PAID?!

I sold the thing. Then they bitched that they didn't have a casino. I ignored them.

Cleo
Pancake
posted 09-01-2004 06:55:43 PM
DAMN YOU ALL -_- You're killing me via nostalgia. I'm going to go draw a mistress now...
nama no naka
modi no naka
katse no naka
yume no naka
sesshoumaru-sama, doko ni ruu
Jaken-sama, oo shita naite
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 09-01-2004 06:57:11 PM
quote:
Cleo had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
DAMN YOU ALL -_- You're killing me via nostalgia. I'm going to go draw a mistress now...

Why not reinstall?

Tier
posted 09-01-2004 07:23:43 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis was naked while typing this:
I'm sorry, but when you spend ALL YOUR TIME gambling, you stupid fucking spider bitch, don't whine when you are hungry, tired, and out of cash! It was even generous, too! WHY DO YOU NEED TO BE PAID?!

9x9 Combat pit.

Problem solved.

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