Worse still, there's nothing anyone can do to stop the sick fuck claiming it and living in luxury for the rest of his natural life. He gets out soon.
They need to add clauses for these things.
His wife is taking this to court and plans on giving the money to charities/families of his victims That is good news at least. What an ass, though.
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Nobody really understood why Blindy wrote:
You don't have to rape women when you're LOADED!
Not when you look like a hippy. Lechium fucked around with this message on 08-12-2004 at 02:05 PM.
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From the book of Mod, chapter 3, verse 16:
Let him have his money if he's served his sentence, we can't go around and completely break the justice system by retroactively punishing people who are out of prison just because a few barbarians think their life is not miserable enough.
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Hoare, 52, and originally from Leeds, is serving life after being convicted of attempted rape in 1989. He was also jailed several times for a string of sex attacks, including rape, during the 1970s and 1980s.
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I can't think of a less deserving person to win £7 million," said retired detective chief inspector Mick Grubb, who arrested Hoare for sex offences in 1966.
Because he's obviously rehabilitated, and certainly won't commit any rapes now that he has money to afford a high-priced lawyer to defend him.
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Sakkra stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Because he's obviously rehabilitated, and certainly won't commit any rapes now that he has money to afford a high-priced lawyer to defend him.
How do you know? The guy has been in prison for 20 years, that's the difference between being 15 and being 35. That officer arrested him in 1966. In 1966 about 5 people on this board were alive. Obviously someone who works with criminals thought that letting him walk around on weekends was safe so I'd say there is a good chance that letting him out on parole won't hurt anyone.
Also what Blindy said, he can pay for five times more sex than his 52 year old wang can handle now.
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Mod had this to say about Captain Planet:
How do you know? The guy has been in prison for 20 years, that's the difference between being 15 and being 35. That officer arrested him in 1966. In 1966 about 5 people on this board were alive. Obviously someone who works with criminals thought that letting him walk around on weekends was safe so I'd say there is a good chance that letting him out on parole won't hurt anyone.Also what Blindy said, he can pay for five times more sex than his 52 year old wang can handle now.
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Convicted of attempted rape in 1989
The aforementioned officer was just the first one to arrest him, that we know of.
And rape isn't usually about wanting to get laid. It's usually a power thing. Even before this he could likely afford a hooker if it was out of desperation.
Edit: F U Suds Sakkra fucked around with this message on 08-12-2004 at 02:44 PM.
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Check out the big brain on Sakkra!
The aforementioned officer was just the first one to arrest him, that we know of.And rape isn't usually about wanting to get laid. It's usually a power thing. Even before this he could likely afford a hooker if it was out of desperation.
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Yes, but he was the one the article quoted as a source on the convict being a monster and not redeemable.
The whole 'rape is a power thing' issue never sat too well with me, it sounds a lot like feminist 'men are an evil, oppressive gender'-propaganda. Yes there probably is a component of domination but the most logical reason for a person to become a rapist instead of exerting power in any of a million different other legal or criminal ways is an out of control libido combined with total disregard for the wellbeing and rights of others.
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Mod obviously shouldn't have said:
Yes, but he was the one the article quoted as a source on the convict being a monster and not redeemable.The whole 'rape is a power thing' issue never sat too well with me, it sounds a lot like feminist 'men are an evil, oppressive gender'-propaganda. Yes there probably is a component of domination but the most logical reason for a person to become a rapist instead of exerting power in any of a million different other legal or criminal ways is an out of control libido combined with total disregard for the wellbeing and rights of others.
Do you even think before posting, or do you just type the most ridiculous dribble that comes to mind?
First of all, on the topic of him "serving his time". 15 years is not life. Yes, he was paroled, but that doesn't make him ok. He was paroled several times before, but obviously that was a mistake, since he just went and did it again. But I forgot, working with people in prison automatically makes the people that released him experts, and subsequent rapes are irrelevant, is that right?
Secondly, is your claim that decades of psychological analyses and evidence regarding rapists should be thrown out the window, just because it "doesn't sit too well" with you. Yes, there is libido involved. However, the corrolary of your "Excersizing power in a million other ways" is the fact that there are many other ways to control libido as well.
There is a distinct pattern of his crimes. He has done them before, and by all rules of logic (which you may choose to ignore, but it doesn't change reality in any way) he will probably do it again. But it's ok, so long as those grisly crimes are staggered by short periods in a taxpayer-furnished cell, right?
I think other people may deserve it more, but if we went by who deserved it the most it wouldn't be a very cool lottery, would it?
As far as him serving his time goes, none of you have any kind of details about him, so the Internet psychologists can go home. You really don't know dick about this case, so stop jacking off to your glorious analysis of whether or not he's ready for release, Freud.
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Sakkra was naked while typing this:
Do you even think before posting, or do you just type the most ridiculous dribble that comes to mind?First of all, on the topic of him "serving his time". 15 years is not life. Yes, he was paroled, but that doesn't make him ok. He was paroled several times before, but obviously that was a mistake, since he just went and did it again. But I forgot, working with people in prison automatically makes the people that released him experts, and subsequent rapes are irrelevant, is that right?
Secondly, is your claim that decades of psychological analyses and evidence regarding rapists should be thrown out the window, just because it "doesn't sit too well" with you. Yes, there is libido involved. However, the corrolary of your "Excersizing power in a million other ways" is the fact that there are many other ways to control libido as well.
There is a distinct pattern of his crimes. He has done them before, and by all rules of logic (which you may choose to ignore, but it doesn't change reality in any way) he will probably do it again. But it's ok, so long as those grisly crimes are staggered by short periods in a taxpayer-furnished cell, right?
Oh only 15 years in prison, silly me that's such a cakewalk, isn't it? It's only a 'short period in a taxpayer-funded cell'. How disconnected from reality does one have to be to just discount 15 years of life lost living in a pen surrounded by criminals as some sort of slap on the wrist?
Yes I believe that people who work in prisons are among the better qualified to assess the chances of someone becoming a threat to the general population again.
Now for some logic, and not logic of the '15 years in prison is nothing'-variety either: Since there are lots of ways to exert power over others without raping people and there are countless ways to let off sexual steam without raping people there must be something beyond the mere wish for power or wish for sexual gratification that turns people into rapists, correct? Would it be safe to say that the disregard for the wellbeing of other people might be relevant to the mindset of a rapist? If someone does not care about hurting others it doesn't really matter what he craves, if he craves revenge he'll kill his cheating wife with an icepick, if he craves sexual release he'll become a rapist, in both cases satisfying his needs at the expense of someone else's health.
As for the oversimplification about how a person commiting a crime in a particular set of circumstances can never change; by that logic we should shoot every single 15 year old kid who breaks a few windows or every poor person who robs a grocery store since they'll obviously keep doing it for the rest of their life no matter what. Newsflash dude, bad people change, they can be reformed, good people change too, just that someone never commited a crime before the age of 20 is no guarantee that they won't go shoot up a post office at 35. Perhaps the guy's sex drive has simply died off with age, as Jens said we don't know and I trust the people whose job it is to analyze those cases, and who have certainly been more cautious of this particular case in light of his prior convictions more than I trus the gut instinct of a few people who believe that retroactive penalties are a really great idea that should be implemented in a modern justice system. Mod fucked around with this message on 08-12-2004 at 04:02 PM.
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Snoota's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Anyone remember that kick ass short story The Lottery from school? About that small village that held a lottery once a year. The entire story is going on about how everyone is terrified they're going to win, and you're left thinking, 'wtf, who doesn't want to win the lottery!?' and at the end, the chick "wins" and is killed to appease some ancient God or something.
Talk of killing? In school? Unpossible!
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Talk of killing? In school? Unpossible!
I read it twelve years ago so my memory was hazy, but it's nearly what I described!
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Snoota wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Anyone remember that kick ass short story The Lottery from school? About that small village that held a lottery once a year. The entire story is going on about how everyone is terrified they're going to win, and you're left thinking, 'wtf, who doesn't want to win the lottery!?' and at the end, the chick "wins" and is killed to appease some ancient God or something.
I remember that story, she got stoned to death I think.
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We were all impressed when Snoota wrote:
Anyone remember that kick ass short story The Lottery from school? About that small village that held a lottery once a year. The entire story is going on about how everyone is terrified they're going to win, and you're left thinking, 'wtf, who doesn't want to win the lottery!?' and at the end, the chick "wins" and is killed to appease some ancient God or something.
I was a student a bit shorter time than you, and yeah, I remember that. They never TELL you why they killed the lady, so you're left going "wait what what the hell was that", and it was just cool and weird and stuff. Yes, that is my entire comment. I'm so cerebral.
On the topic at hand: We know nothing about the guy. Let him have his money. Chance was never the kindest force of nature, and eh, if he DOES go rape someone else, that money's gonna be gone real quick anyway.
You never know. Now that such a ruckus was made, you never will know what his true motivation is.
If he has served his time, let him have his dough. If he commits another crime, like Monica said, he will be spending it on court costs and Lawyer's fees.
As much as I hate rapists, he did spend his time in prison. He was allowed out for the day, so he should be allowed to keep it.
Rape to rapists I would imagine is not about getting a lay. It's about controlling the woman or young girl or whoever their victim might be. They don't get a rush nessicarily off sex, but it's the taking away their power that they like the most. That's what makes it feel good to them, that's what their after. The fact that they are humiliating them and controlling them like that is what they get their kicks off of.
Now, I'm not a rapist, and I never would become one. I just like to sit back and study people, and different little 'clicks' that exist. My fiance was and is really into bondage and D/S (dominant/submissive) sex play when we first got together. It really honestly weirded me out. But after slowly messing around with it with her, I can understand why she likes it so much, and it has grown on me as well. There's a certain rush that comes to controlling someone else like that, but it's nothing I would ever try on someone who doesn't consent.
I think that's what really sets rapists apart. They don't look to get their kicks without hurting anyone. They probably see that as icing on the top of what they're doing....
Anyway, I think he might not be the most deserving kind of guy to get that. I don't disagree with his wife wanting to give the victims families the cash though either.
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As much as I hate rapists, he did spend his time in prison. He was allowed out for the day, so he should be allowed to keep it.
My feelings exactly.
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Reynar wrote this stupid crap:
My feelings exactly.
Mine too.
I say take it all, and distribute it amongst his victims.
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We were all impressed when Pvednes wrote:
It's illegal in Scotland for him to make more than five pounds a day or something like that while in prison...I say take it all, and distribute it amongst his victims.
Then what is the point of even allowing the prisoners to play the lottery if their winnings will just be taken away?
If you allow them to play the lottery, you are essentially allowing them to also claim the winnings if they happen to win. As much as I don't LIKE the thought of this guy winning the lottery, he did win it fair and square. The money is his to do with as he wishes.
