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Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 01:27:03 AM
Wheeee. Okay, I'm starting to get the hang of this game. At first, going into the Item World was suicide for me. But now that Laharl is level 9, and Etna is level 8, and the others are getting up there too, I'm starting to get good at it. Geo squares are still somewhat confusing for me... possibly because I can't decide whether I like them or not. On the one hand, invincibility squares have saved my ass plenty of times. On the other, cloned Etna totally ripped through my party On the plus side, Laharl's new level 10 Swordbreaker kicks butt.

I have a few questions, however.

#1 - Is it better to just add all the characters I want early on, instead of trying to add them as I go? With every new character starting at level 1, it's annoying trying to get them up to Laharl's level now. I've gone through that fucking tutorial battle so much I can see it in my sleep now.

#2 - If one of the residents in an item world is defeated by demons, does he vanish from the item? What happens there?

#3 - I'm almost level 9. What time should I stop dinking around powering up items, and actually move on with the story?

Kael
Whistlepig
posted 06-07-2004 01:42:48 AM
Well, the first time I played I was sorta in the same boat as you. Kinda just doing whatever or whatever.

The second time I played, I sorta knew what I wanted for a party.

My advice: Go the the Dark Assembly and get More Expensive Stuff when you feel that you can afford it.

I used Item World to make cash and for leveling up, check the bonuses when you start the map, your looking for a few +EXP/+HL/Nice Swag bonuses in about the 6-7 area. Now check the Characters on the map and the colors of the Geo Panels and the Geo Symbols. This is where one would start planing to clear those panels.

As for character levels, how far into the game are you? Like, what episode? Almost any map is better then the tutorial.

On question 2: You just have to do the item again. If your party takes out the specialist, it will level up once you beat the item general and you can move it to another item once you return to the castle.

Tsunami
I like pizza.
posted 06-07-2004 01:43:25 AM
#1 - Nah, just add them when you want. Although it is good to have as many units in the battle as you can. And eventually you will get some good powerlevelling... Levels. I forgot which one, but almost all squares in the level are invincible, and you throw the enemies onto one another until you have only one or two powerful monsters... Then throw them onto the one normal square, and pound away. Use powerful chars to weaken them first, then have the weaker char, combo'ed with some other weak chars, finish off the monster. If you need to, include a higher level, preferably a fist-user (highest combo chance) in the combo.

#2 - No. If I remember correctly, it just has to be killed by you in another stage of item world.

#3 - Now. I didn't bother with item world until at least level 20.

(as a side note... FF:TA has consumed my life!)

Moo.
Willias
Pancake
posted 06-07-2004 01:46:11 AM
quote:
Khyron spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Wheeee. Okay, I'm starting to get the hang of this game. At first, going into the Item World was suicide for me. But now that Laharl is level 9, and Etna is level 8, and the others are getting up there too, I'm starting to get good at it. Geo squares are still somewhat confusing for me... possibly because I can't decide whether I like them or not. On the one hand, invincibility squares have saved my ass plenty of times. On the other, cloned Etna totally ripped through my party On the plus side, Laharl's new level 10 Swordbreaker kicks butt.

I have a few questions, however.

#1 - Is it better to just add all the characters I want early on, instead of trying to add them as I go? With every new character starting at level 1, it's annoying trying to get them up to Laharl's level now. I've gone through that fucking tutorial battle so much I can see it in my sleep now.

#2 - If one of the residents in an item world is defeated by demons, does he vanish from the item? What happens there?

#3 - I'm almost level 9. What time should I stop dinking around powering up items, and actually move on with the story?


1: It becomes easier later on to get those low level characters to high levels fast. Theres one level where all the tiles are invincibility except for one tile. You stack and move monsters onto that panel and then kill them. This makes leveling a low level character easy. Put one or two low level characters next to a high level one and do team attacks to get several levels on the lower level character.

2: Not sure, pretty sure that you can find the resident on a later level. Or you can go back into the item and find em again (not sure on this), if not either of those, then the resident is gone for good.

3: Eh, go do story every once in a while, then once you find a silver or gold item, go level it up as high as you can.


Edit: Remember one thing about this game though, the computer will ALWAYS go after your lowest level character. This can sometimes be used to your advantage when trying to move monsters to certain positions.

Willias fucked around with this message on 06-07-2004 at 01:48 AM.

Kael
Whistlepig
posted 06-07-2004 01:51:42 AM
You know what's sad? Since I left FFXI I have logged over 200 hours on Disgaea. :(

That's 60 more hours then my Front Mission 3 save...but less then my approximate total hours playing Final Fantasy Tactics! D:

FFT:A would have been a great game if it wasn't called "Final Fantasy Tactics: Advance" I was so dissapointed :(

Kael fucked around with this message on 06-07-2004 at 01:52 AM.

Ferret
Poing! Poing!
posted 06-07-2004 01:55:02 AM
quote:
Kael had this to say about Robocop:
You know what's sad? Since I left FFXI I have logged over 200 hours on Disgaea.

That's 60 more hours then my Front Mission 3 save...but less then my approximate total hours playing Final Fantasy Tactics! D:

FFT:A would have been a great game if it wasn't called "Final Fantasy Tactics: Advance" I was so dissapointed


I've had four seperate games all go up to the 99'99"99 time mark. Goddamn me and having to max all jobs for every character.

I don't want to even look at my disgaea save file.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 02:23:38 AM
I just did the first three missions of Vyers Mansion, before I got drawn BACK INTO THE ITEM WORLD.

It just helps SO MUCH to have my fighters equipping level 10 swords, when I'm that early on, you know?

I got a rare gun, too (Dolphin EX, with Rarity of 0), but nobody in my team can use a gun worth a damn. I need to consider getting a gun-user of some sort to equip said gun.

I've learned the best way to power level somone : Enter into the item world, and try to do a color combo that clears away ALL the colors. If I do, my bonus gauge goes up to like, 7, and I end up getting a few EXP +200's in the end

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 06-07-2004 02:29:13 AM
quote:
Blah blah blah Khyron blah blah blah...
I just did the first three missions of Vyers Mansion, before I got drawn BACK INTO THE ITEM WORLD.

It just helps SO MUCH to have my fighters equipping level 10 swords, when I'm that early on, you know?

I got a rare gun, too (Dolphin EX, with Rarity of 0), but nobody in my team can use a gun worth a damn. I need to consider getting a gun-user of some sort to equip said gun.

I've learned the best way to power level somone : Enter into the item world, and try to do a color combo that clears away ALL the colors. If I do, my bonus gauge goes up to like, 7, and I end up getting a few EXP +200's in the end


Killing a level 254 monster as a level one and levelling to 20 or so in one shot is better.

It's level 5-3, btw. Main characters should be around level 20 to safely get to it.

Kael
Whistlepig
posted 06-07-2004 02:34:07 AM
quote:
Khyron had this to say about Tron:
I just did the first three missions of Vyers Mansion, before I got drawn BACK INTO THE ITEM WORLD.

It just helps SO MUCH to have my fighters equipping level 10 swords, when I'm that early on, you know?

I got a rare gun, too (Dolphin EX, with Rarity of 0), but nobody in my team can use a gun worth a damn. I need to consider getting a gun-user of some sort to equip said gun.

I've learned the best way to power level somone : Enter into the item world, and try to do a color combo that clears away ALL the colors. If I do, my bonus gauge goes up to like, 7, and I end up getting a few EXP +200's in the end


Best gun users is the Strider class. Just level a female warrior and female fighter to like 10 or so to unlock a lot of the better melee classes.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 02:37:38 AM
Oh yeah.

How the FUCK do I tell whether the new character I'm making is male, or female? I can't see any clear indication of it It's the brawlers and warriors I'm having trouble discering between.

Kael
Whistlepig
posted 06-07-2004 02:41:14 AM
quote:
Khyron had this to say about Captain Planet:
Oh yeah.

How the FUCK do I tell whether the new character I'm making is male, or female? I can't see any clear indication of it It's the brawlers and warriors I'm having trouble discering between.


The female fighter has pigtails and a bodysuit. The female warrior has green hair. Or just squint real hard and look for boobies.

Edit: Actually, female anything is normally better then the male counterpart.
Mages > Skulls. Female Cleric > Male Cleric. Samurai(which are females) > Ninjas(males). etc etc etc.

Kael fucked around with this message on 06-07-2004 at 02:50 AM.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 03:03:32 AM
What exactly is the difference between mages, and skulls, anyways?

I need to make some sort of mage to teach my Cleric some attack spells My cleric kicks ass.

Kael
Whistlepig
posted 06-07-2004 03:07:06 AM
Skulls have the most annoying voice in the game!
Ferret
Poing! Poing!
posted 06-07-2004 03:07:55 AM
RINGU!
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 06-07-2004 04:17:25 AM
quote:
Blah blah blah Khyron blah blah blah...
What exactly is the difference between mages, and skulls, anyways?

I need to make some sort of mage to teach my Cleric some attack spells My cleric kicks ass.


Teaching Laharl and Etna to cast cure (And, if your cleric sticks with you long enough, mega cure or whateveritis) can be helpful in a pinch. It won't have the range, or the power that a similarly levelled cleric's spell would, but it's a lifesaver sometimes, and can keep your inventory free of nigh useless gums and crap.

Oh, and if you get a new skill (Like, by level, or by getting a previous tech to a higher level) go to the training map and practice it a lot. It helps. Cure spells will get better square coverage, attack spells will get stronger (Same better attack coverage), and you'll unlock new spells.

Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 06-07-2004 06:25:57 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Teaching Laharl and Etna to cast cure (And, if your cleric sticks with you long enough, mega cure or whateveritis) can be helpful in a pinch. It won't have the range, or the power that a similarly levelled cleric's spell would, but it's a lifesaver sometimes, and can keep your inventory free of nigh useless gums and crap.

Not as good as transmigrating your attack magic users into healers. Or vise-versa. I love my Giga Star-casting Savior.

The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 12:24:20 PM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Zephyer Kyuukaze said:
Not as good as transmigrating your attack magic users into healers. Or vise-versa. I love my Giga Star-casting Savior.

Problem with that, is if I have to be Rank 3 to Transmigrate, getting a healer to be able to survive the exams is tough. So I'm going to teach her the three magic types, one by one, while I'm working my mages up to level 10 so I can get a Star Mage to teach her... and so on, and so on...

My eventual goal is to have two clerics with tons of uber magical stuff, one uber mage, two archers, and the rest being uber melee.

Is there any way to change who's a mentor/pupil to whom?

I figure I can use three mages to replace those stupid prinny's that Etna hired. Stupid prinny's. I hate them. I HATES THEM.

Khyron fucked around with this message on 06-07-2004 at 12:27 PM.

Willias
Pancake
posted 06-07-2004 12:28:02 PM
quote:
From the book of Khyron, chapter 3, verse 16:
Problem with that, is if I have to be Rank 3 to Transmigrate, getting a healer to be able to survive the exams is tough. So I'm going to teach her the three magic types, one by one, while I'm working my mages up to level 10 so I can get a Star Mage to teach her... and so on, and so on...

I figure I can use three mages to replace those stupid prinny's that Etna hired. Stupid prinny's. I hate them. I HATES THEM.


Prinnys can be powerful later on dood. Letsee, I think when you throw them at an enemy, half thier hp is turned into damage. Think about that dood, a few insanely powerful Prinnys could be turned into uber nukes.

Willias fucked around with this message on 06-07-2004 at 12:28 PM.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 12:43:09 PM
quote:
Willias had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Prinnys can be powerful later on dood. Letsee, I think when you throw them at an enemy, half thier hp is turned into damage. Think about that dood, a few insanely powerful Prinnys could be turned into uber nukes.

Suicide bombers who constantly have to be rezzed after every battle?

Willias
Pancake
posted 06-07-2004 12:51:28 PM
Well, you can get really nice things from the hospital.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 01:01:17 PM
quote:
Willias was naked while typing this:
Well, you can get really nice things from the hospital.

True, but that also makes them nigh-useless for the item world... 10 fights before you can rez your uber nukes...

Besides, my best prinny right now is level 6, and has like, 60 HP. My level 6 brawler can easily outdo 30 damage, and doesn't need to die to do it

Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 06-07-2004 02:39:50 PM
quote:
Khyron's fortune cookie read:
Is there any way to change who's a mentor/pupil to whom?

No.

And I, personally, wouldn't use that many mages. Just teach one every kind of magic through Transmigration. (Later on, Transmigrating someone is no big deal, and you'll do it all the time. Transmigration makes people more powerful! The higher total levels your character has ever had, the more bonus points they get!)

The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 02:45:20 PM
quote:
Zephyer Kyuukaze obviously shouldn't have said:
No.

And I, personally, wouldn't use that many mages. Just teach one every kind of magic through Transmigration. (Later on, Transmigrating someone is no big deal, and you'll do it all the time. Transmigration makes people more powerful! The higher total levels your character has ever had, the more bonus points they get!)


I'm DEFINITELY going to want a minimum of two that are healer / mage combos... just because that's how I am

But yeah, transmigrating is probably the way I'll eventually go... once I get all the different mages needed to get Star / Galaxy / etc.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 04:50:34 PM
I fucked myself over last night. Was trying to do a complex color combo, hit the crystal too early. On the plus side, I got something like a 150 hit color combo with 6 colors, and got the combo gauge up to 7 and 1/2. On the down side, I killed 6 out of my 10 allies as well as every enemy...

Wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't on the 3rd floor of the item world, and I had to fight through 7 floors with only 4 people...

Khyron fucked around with this message on 06-07-2004 at 04:51 PM.

Kael
Whistlepig
posted 06-07-2004 05:30:51 PM
Eh. I perfer the Striders over Archers... Just cheaper to raise HIT then HIT/ATK for the Archers. Although the Archers have an attack that hits 3 targets, Guns have the uber cool Totenkreuz attack. Just watch the demo to see it unleashed.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 05:34:41 PM
quote:
Kael had this to say about Pirotess:
Eh. I perfer the Striders over Archers... Just cheaper to raise HIT then HIT/ATK for the Archers. Although the Archers have an attack that hits 3 targets, Guns have the uber cool Totenkreuz attack. Just watch the demo to see it unleashed.

I'll just transmute some sort of unholy archer / strider hybrid that uses ranged attacks to humiliate everything in its path.

Y.O.T.C
No longer a Towel Girl
posted 06-07-2004 06:08:54 PM
My Laharl is lvl 3400+.... I still dont have an archer and my cleric is lvl 11. I really dont see a point except to get them up to grab angels. And dude, just get like as many people/monsters as you can. and capture some monsters, as thats always fun. *huggles the lvl 3000 prinny's*


I also recoment cranking a thief up. they can get some good shit early on. And some brokenly powerful shit late in the game.

Y.O.T.C fucked around with this message on 06-07-2004 at 06:11 PM.

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 06-07-2004 10:48:00 PM
quote:
Khyron wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I fucked myself over last night. Was trying to do a complex color combo, hit the crystal too early. On the plus side, I got something like a 150 hit color combo with 6 colors, and got the combo gauge up to 7 and 1/2. On the down side, I killed 6 out of my 10 allies as well as every enemy...

Wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't on the 3rd floor of the item world, and I had to fight through 7 floors with only 4 people...


If you've cleared level 10 of an item world before, you should have at least one of the Exit items by now. ALLWAYS take one into item world with you, it allows you to exit from the item world at any point.

Also, I'll tell you this now (but in spoiler, just in case you really don't want to know). When you get "her" in your party (you'll know who when you get her, she's your first female addition), give her a staff. Forget what it looks like she should use, go staff. Then, have her learn the spells from pupils. It may look lame at first, but she'll be wicked sick later on.

Also, please note that Monsters and Humans have different transmigrate lists. Monsters trans into monsters, and humans trans into humans. But Prinnies are on both lists, and have access to ALL options when transmigrating. Interesting, isn't it?

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 06-07-2004 11:16:25 PM
quote:
Blah blah blah Palador ChibiDragon blah blah blah...
If you've cleared level 10 of an item world before, you should have at least one of the Exit items by now. ALLWAYS take one into item world with you, it allows you to exit from the item world at any point.

Also, I'll tell you this now (but in spoiler, just in case you really don't want to know). When you get "her" in your party (you'll know who when you get her, she's your first female addition), give her a staff. Forget what it looks like she should use, go staff. Then, have her learn the spells from pupils. It may look lame at first, but she'll be wicked sick later on.

Also, please note that Monsters and Humans have different transmigrate lists. Monsters trans into monsters, and humans trans into humans. But Prinnies are on both lists, and have access to ALL options when transmigrating. Interesting, isn't it?


I need to fix my controller and start playing again. For some reason, it hasn't held my attention past the uberlevelling level (Mostly cos it takes a longass time to set up and weaken the mobs to level signifigantly.. bleh), and I'd been neglecting.. her.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 11:49:50 PM
Are you all talking about Flonne?
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 06-07-2004 11:51:25 PM
quote:
Blah blah blah Khyron blah blah blah...
Are you all talking about Flonne?

Nin nin nin nin nin nin!

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-07-2004 11:54:19 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Delphi Aegis:
Nin nin nin nin nin nin!

JUST TELL ME GODDAMN IT I SWEAR I WILL RIP YOUR BALLS OFF AND FEED THEM TO A DEMON I SWEAR IT

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 06-07-2004 11:56:44 PM
quote:
Blah blah blah Khyron blah blah blah...
JUST TELL ME GODDAMN IT I SWEAR I WILL RIP YOUR BALLS OFF AND FEED THEM TO A DEMON I SWEAR IT

Wasn't I supposed to assassinate you? ^_^

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 06-07-2004 11:58:45 PM
quote:
Khyron had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Are you all talking about Flonne?

Yes. I wasn't sure you had gotten that far yet, so I was trying to not drop a name in case you hadn't. Minimal spoilage.

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-08-2004 01:27:48 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon's account was hax0red to write:
Yes. I wasn't sure you had gotten that far yet, so I was trying to not drop a name in case you hadn't. Minimal spoilage.

I'm chasing her right now... only thing is, I'm trying to level up my team so there's not this giant fucking level spread...

Laharl is 12...
Etna is 9...
Warrior is 6...
Brawler is 7...
Cleric is 6...

My three mages (whom I am keeping around ONLY until I get them to level 10 so I can get a Star Mage), are levels 2, 3, and 3...

I'm thinking of creating a Scout (Since Strider isn't available yet! But Scouts are the same, I am told...) and giving him my silver Dolphin EX gun... then having him and the mages just do the tutorial a shitload of times to level up

Aaron (the good one)
posted 06-08-2004 01:29:41 AM
LOVE AND PEACE ^_^
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Kael
Whistlepig
posted 06-08-2004 03:43:26 AM
quote:
Verily, Khyron doth proclaim:
I'm chasing her right now... only thing is, I'm trying to level up my team so there's not this giant fucking level spread...

Laharl is 12...
Etna is 9...
Warrior is 6...
Brawler is 7...
Cleric is 6...

My three mages (whom I am keeping around ONLY until I get them to level 10 so I can get a Star Mage), are levels 2, 3, and 3...

I'm thinking of creating a Scout (Since Strider isn't available yet! But Scouts are the same, I am told...) and giving him my silver Dolphin EX gun... then having him and the mages just do the tutorial a shitload of times to level up


Yeah, Strider is the name of the class, it's also the 4th version of the class. The order is: Scout > Surveyor > Ranger > Strider > Geo Master > Lord.

Also, I guess as a heads up, the Samurai class starts as "Ronin" and it's order is: Ronin > Samurai > Bushi > Kengo > Blademaster > Shogun.

Sorry if that confused you.

Oh, now that I think about it...you have a good leveling map comming up in the 3rd episode. Actually, the 3rd episode is pretty good for leveling in all the stages.

Khyron
Hello, my mushy friend...
posted 06-08-2004 11:33:59 AM
quote:
Kael thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Yeah, Strider is the name of the class, it's also the 4th version of the class. The order is: Scout > Surveyor > Ranger > Strider > Geo Master > Lord.

Also, I guess as a heads up, the Samurai class starts as "Ronin" and it's order is: Ronin > Samurai > Bushi > Kengo > Blademaster > Shogun.

Sorry if that confused you.

Oh, now that I think about it...you have a good leveling map comming up in the 3rd episode. Actually, the 3rd episode is pretty good for leveling in all the stages.


Trying to even out the level spread between my characters, is really, really fucking hard...

I can see why so many people stick with only a few characters that have been transmigrated a few dozen times.

Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 06-08-2004 11:35:48 AM
Scouts rock.

GOGGLES!

The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Willias
Pancake
posted 06-08-2004 11:52:45 AM
quote:
Delidgamond had this to say about Pirotess:
LOVE AND PEACE ^_^

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