Australia: Arizona with a beach.
I think the phrase "One step forward, two steps back" is quite fitting.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
There should be NO freedom, then it should be given out in tiny parcels so every bit is appreciated.
YES.
CALL IT A FUCKING CIVIL UNION. Christ. More PC bullshit in our world, but at least it makes the fucking die hard "YOU SHALL NOT FUCK A MAN IN THE ASS" people happy.
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And now, we sprinkle Delphi Aegis liberally with Old Spice!
If everybody has such a fucking problem with calling it a same sex marriage..CALL IT A FUCKING CIVIL UNION. Christ. More PC bullshit in our world, but at least it makes the fucking die hard "YOU SHALL NOT FUCK A MAN IN THE ASS" people happy.
But I can't get a civil union. I'm an atheist; I've no interest in this "sacred institution" crap everyone keeps talking about. And yet I have to get married because that's the only thing my state recognizes; I can't be civilly unionized or united or unitified.
Again: replace "same-sex" with "interracial" and the argument falls to pieces. Even the civil union argument does. Observe:
"We're going to disallow interracial marriage, but we'll offer civil unions to interracial couples. After all, marriage is a sacred institution which cannot be profaned by interracial couples."
Should we placate the racist assholes with civil unions instead of marriage for interracial couples, too?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Delphi Aegis came out of the closet to say:
CALL IT A FUCKING CIVIL UNION.
"Seperate but equal" didn't work in the 60's.
You gotta watch out for those slippery slopes.
Honestly, the people that are screaming "OMG YOU CAN'T ALLOW SAME SEX MARRIAGES BECAUSE IT'S <insert whacked out reason here>" are in the minority.. The vast majority of people couldn't give a flying llama either way.
But because the minority is vocal (and the majority is too apathetic to even bother to tell them to "stfu n00b"), politicians think they have to act.
Also interesting to note that the only two countries considering this are the US and Asutralia, both of which have national elections (US presidential, Australian Federal Government) due around November of this year..
Also interesting to note that its becoming harder and harder to figure out where our Prime Minister's head stops and Dubya's ass begins... at least Tony Blair doesn't (well not blatantly) suck Dubya's ass in public...
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So quoth Zair:
We should have never allowed interracial marriages in the first place. It created a slippery slope that led us to all this gay marriage nonsense. And logically, that will eventually lead to people marrying their siblings, animals, or garden hoses.You gotta watch out for those slippery slopes.
They'd have a hard time managing a ban on interracial marriages. They held off the gay marriage one based on procreation and such. I don't think there's any kind of logical or reasonable basis for banning interracials marriage barring racial purity and that's crap. Let's just hope this gay marriage doesn't start a slippery slope into incest as Zair suggests. The garden hoses I can understand, but incest and beastiality are disturbing.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
So far, they all seem to be built around either strictly personal opinions that people seem to want to force on others, or the automatic assumption that gay couples are innately disturbed and sick, and that such an environment is dangerous to children.
Really, the only reason to oppose this that I can see is because you are a moral facist and hate gay people.
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And now, we sprinkle Naimah liberally with Old Spice!
If you don't live in Arizona or Mass. I don't see how this affects you. States are allowed to have laws that their local populace agree with their local constituants that may not make sense in your area. Thus the federalist part of our government.
Yeah, the process you just described is unconstitutional.
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Amendment XIV, Section 1:
...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Of course, if we employ your plan, then we shouldn't care if the deep South decides to ban interracial marriage, hmmm?
EDIT: Another thought: just because something is popular does not make it right. Karnaj fucked around with this message on 05-28-2004 at 02:03 AM.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Of course, if we employ your plan, then we shouldn't care if the deep South decides to ban interracial marriage, hmmm?
Hell, the deep south should bring back slavery. Thats federalism, baby!
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They held off the gay marriage one based on procreation and such. I don't think there's any kind of logical or reasonable basis for banning interracials marriage barring racial purity and that's crap.
They held off gay marriage based on pure hatred for gays. How does procreation come into play at all? What reason is there to ban gay marriage barring moral purity, and how is that not crap as well?
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Let's just hope this gay marriage doesn't start a slippery slope into incest as Zair suggests. The garden hoses I can understand, but incest and beastiality are disturbing.
How is gay marriage any more likely to slide into bestiality and incest than interracial marriage?
(Bear in mind, this came from a black collumnist who constantly supports the black community in his usually one sided collumns.)
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About 50 black preachers from across the country came to town, not to celebrate Brown but to push for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. The Traditional Values Coalition, a conservative Christian group, organized the meeting of like-minded black pastors who oppose gay marriage. Would that this group of ministers were inclined to devote an equal amount of energy promoting the state of marriage. Goodness knows, in our community marriage is a dying institution.Here's another post-Brown truth: The lowest marriage rate of any group belongs to African Americans. Nearly 70 percent of our children have unmarried moms, and an equal percentage -- one source puts it at 80 percent -- will grow up without the presence of their dads. And the preachers? Even as their churches become older and populated with mostly unmarried women, and small children living apart from their fathers, these ministers of the cloth have the unmitigated gall to rail against two people in love who want to get married and stay married.
I just found it amusing. 
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Amendment XIV:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.
Notice the last part that says '...of the United States.' Marriage is contract enforced by states, not a right garunteed by the U.S. Constitution.
Thus, by the 10th Amendment the right to regulate who can be married to whom falls to the states to determine.
Note: I'm not argueing over if it is right or wrong for gay marriage to be legal. I am merely saying that it is within the rights of individual states to set their laws as they see fit as long as it does not violate a law set forth by the federal government Naimah fucked around with this message on 05-28-2004 at 02:49 AM.
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Naimah came out of the closet to say:
Notice the last part that says '...of the United States.' Marriage is contract enforced by states
So I guess that whole part about being able to file your Federal taxes as "Married, filing jointly" is a figment of my imagination then, huh? Same thing with the estate tax ramifications for widows. And legal power of attorney in the event of a disabled spouse. Could have sworn those were all Federal matters....
What's that? You don't know what you're talking about again? Well, color me surprised! Drysart fucked around with this message on 05-28-2004 at 02:55 AM.
Why else would this debate even exist if it was a cut and dry federal sphere of influence?
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Naimah came out of the closet to say:
Why else would this debate even exist if it was a cut and dry federal sphere of influence?
El Presidente seems to think it's a Federal matter. You don't agree with him?
Eventually it'll stop being such a big fucking deal, and will die down. But that's probably not going to be for another 2 or 3 decades. It'll go the way of interracial marrige I assume. Taboo in the 60's, a-okay in the 90's. It's a shame that society works the way it does. Sometimes I wish we were all romans or greeks, where sexuallity was completely open, and everyone was doing everybody else. Not quite, but you get the idea. It wouldn't be a big whoopee if 2 guys were walking down the street holding hands and pecking kisses.
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Naimah came out of the closet to say:
If that conflicts with Bush's views, then yes, I disagree with him on this issue.
Congratulations. You disagree with Bush on the second largest issue he's brought up in this campaign.
Also, if you're against Federally-mandated morality, I've got some other whoppers that you might disagree with Bush about...
Maradon! fucked around with this message on 05-28-2004 at 03:23 AM.
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Drysart's fortune cookie read:
Congratulations. You disagree with Bush on the second largest issue he's brought up in this campaign.Also, if you're against Federally-mandated morality, I've got some other whoppers that you might disagree with Bush about...
Give Bush a break. He fell off his bike
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Maradon! came out of the closet to say:
Sadly, I'm against any massive infringement on individual freedom, which would bring up some whoppers on the other side of the fence as well.
Lesser of two evils. The left's certainly got its black sheep with regards to infringement on freedom (*coughLeibermancough*), but they don't enjoy support across the entire party. The right, on the other hand, is unified in their intrusions into freedom in the name of "morality".
It's rather telling that the ACLU, an organization whose sole purpose is to protect freedoms guaranteed to citizens, is seen as a left-wing organization.
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Drysart thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Congratulations. You disagree with Bush on the second largest issue he's brought up in this campaign.Also, if you're against Federally-mandated morality, I've got some other whoppers that you might disagree with Bush about...
I am full aware that I disagree with conservative viewpoints on morality. However, I agree with their position on economy, defense, and social services so I decide to stand with the republicans.
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Verily, Skaw doth proclaim:
Give Bush a break. He fell off his bike
As did Kerry. Only he was riding down a street instead of a trail.
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Naimah had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
As did Kerry. Only he was riding down a street instead of a trail.
But Bush was almost assassinated by a pretzel
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Naimah came out of the closet to say:
I am full aware that I disagree with conservative viewpoints on morality. However, I agree with their position on economy, defense, and social services so I decide to stand with the republicans.
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Yes we're all very well aware of that after your previous erudite postings about politics.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Drysart who doth quote:
Lesser of two evils.
I guess what I'm getting at is that, like Naimah, while I disagree with republicans on legislated morality, I disagree with Democrats on nearly everything else.
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Drysart painfully thought these words up:
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Yes we're all very well aware of that after your previous erudite postings about politics.
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At least I back a canidate on something other then 'It isn't the other guy.'
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Maradon! wrote this stupid crap:
I guess what I'm getting at is that, like Naimah, while I disagree with republicans on legislated morality, I disagree with Democrats on nearly everything else.
What about the Patriot Act? Do you agree with Bush that it should be not only retained but expanded?
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Zair said:
What about the Patriot Act? Do you agree with Bush that it should be not only retained but expanded?
Law and Order had a thing on this. Due to the expanded patriot act (more specifically, the federal inernational security advisory or something.. fisa), the FBI secretly searched a murder suspect's apartment and took a murder weapon, because he had shipped gaming machines overseas (Something about dual useage, or whatever).
They looked into the records of the court that orders such warrants for secret stuff like that, and found that out of like, 500 or something warrants requested, only 5 were denied. Suggesting that the FBI doesn't go in without a damned good reason.
So it's a double edged sword. On one hand, I would rather not trade total security for any amount of freedom. On the other hand, a guy with a suitcase and a few pounds of plutonium can level manhattan. ... :/
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Law and Order had a thing on this. Due to the expanded patriot act (more specifically, the federal inernational security advisory or something.. fisa), the FBI secretly searched a murder suspect's apartment and took a murder weapon, because he had shipped gaming machines overseas (Something about dual useage, or whatever).They looked into the records of the court that orders such warrants for secret stuff like that, and found that out of like, 500 or something warrants requested, only 5 were denied. Suggesting that the FBI doesn't go in without a damned good reason.
So it's a double edged sword. On one hand, I would rather not trade total security for any amount of freedom. On the other hand, a guy with a suitcase and a few pounds of plutonium can level manhattan. ... :/
It could also mean that warrants are given out too lightly. The suitcase nuke is a hoax, even if something like that were to be constructed it would be more of a humongous backpack instead of a suitcase and would degrade into non-operability if not used within a short time. Building a nuke that small and that light would also require a far more advanced nuclear program than most nations have, unless Russia started handing out their tech to terrorists you're safe.
Unless you're talking about dirty bombs, whose damage potential is only marginally higher than that of a regular bomb their size. Mod fucked around with this message on 05-28-2004 at 08:09 AM.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about pies:
Law and Order had a thing on this. Due to the expanded patriot act (more specifically, the federal inernational security advisory or something.. fisa), the FBI secretly searched a murder suspect's apartment and took a murder weapon, because he had shipped gaming machines overseas (Something about dual useage, or whatever).They looked into the records of the court that orders such warrants for secret stuff like that, and found that out of like, 500 or something warrants requested, only 5 were denied. Suggesting that the FBI doesn't go in without a damned good reason.
So it's a double edged sword. On one hand, I would rather not trade total security for any amount of freedom. On the other hand, a guy with a suitcase and a few pounds of plutonium can level manhattan. ... :/
(This is not a personal attack Delphi merely an observation of social standards.)
So I quote the constitution and other people quote NBC, yet I'm the one that has no idea what I am talking about?
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A sleep deprived Karnaj stammered:
Replace 'same-sex' with 'interracial' and you'll see the idiocy
Yes but if you replace it with "Godzilla" you ensure that we never have to sit through another "Son of Godzilla" movie.
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I think the phrase "One step forward, two steps back" is quite fitting.
It was a good song, at least.
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Blindy fucked around with this message on 05-28-2004 at 10:27 AM.
