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Topic: BUSH VS GREENPEACE!
New Age Bane
Waste Management Crisis
posted 05-18-2004 01:06:32 PM
Omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

Well its an interesting read, if anything. Not that I agree with our government, or anything, just saying its just interesting to read.

bush vs greenpeace!

What am I supposed to in here again? Oh yes something witty and oh so pretty!
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 05-18-2004 01:20:02 PM
Can't say i have much sympathy for Greenpeace in this one.
"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 05-18-2004 01:22:47 PM
quote:
Azizza had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Can't say i have much sympathy for Greenpeace in this one.

Heh, have you ever had sympathy for them?

Their cause is good, but they do some bone-headed things like PETA.

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Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 05-18-2004 01:30:05 PM
quote:
Katrinity had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Heh, have you ever had sympathy for them?

Their cause is good, but they do some bone-headed things like PETA.


Agreed. Hell I think they should be going after PETA as well for that matter.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 05-18-2004 01:31:08 PM
They are TERRORISTS.
Kaglaaz How'ler
Pancake
posted 05-18-2004 01:34:26 PM
Surprised this didn't happen a long time ago.

My best friend's cousin joined Greenpeace. They brainwashed the poor fellow pretty badly. He was running around naked in the wood somewhere on the west coast when they finally located him. It's a wonder he didn't think he was raised by wolves or something. Took quite a bit of deprogramming to get him back into society as a semi-productive human being.

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Maradon!
posted 05-18-2004 01:34:30 PM
So they're whining about being declared a criminal organization, when they prove all their points with criminal activity?
Maradon!
posted 05-18-2004 01:36:13 PM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Zaza who doth quote:
They are TERRORISTS.

What's a terrorist?

Someone who generates fear as a means to achieve their own goals.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-18-2004 01:44:31 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Greenpeace is a terrorist or criminal organization, I would say there's a certain...community spirit...to them that seems to encourage people to show a flagrant disregard for (usually relatively minor) laws in the name of the "big picture". There's a term for that sort of mentality: Vigilantism.

One of the big problems that inevitably screws these people up is that they almost comically miss out on one or more key facts. For instance, a while back they demonstrated against a genetically-altered corn crop by putting up a massive sign...on the wrong silo. There've been numerous cases of Greenpeace ships almost causing collisions at sea because they harass or get in the way of ships. Now they've come to the point where they illegally board ships? Morons are lucky they didn't get themselves shot.

No one is saying that the cargo was legal, but there are other means than flagrantly and specatularly breaking the law to draw attention to a crime in progress. If they knew this ship was coming in why didn't they contact the proper authorities? With this administration's bad ecological reputation, don't you think someone would like to have been able to say "Hey...we care about the environment, we stopped this stuff from hitting the market" or did that conveniently skip over these peoples' heads?


And despite their appeal about free speech (this doesn't seem to have anything to do with free speech; by the website's own article, two members of Greenpeace illegally boarded the APL Jade), and how Bush's evil Attorney General is coming after them, let's face it...Greenpeace has violated the law routinely on other occasions, and there's been unpopular Attorney Generals before (Janet Reno, anyone?). ANY ATTORNEY GENERAL at ANY GIVEN TIME could have put the hammer down on Greenpeace. But there's usually a political climate that tends to downplay their antics. The error here was in doing something patently stupid (boarding a ship rather than just drawing attention to it) when a nonsympathetic administration is in office.

I'd personally like to see Greenpeace slapped with a seriously hefty fine myself. I think it's an important organization, but I think it definitely steps out of line at times.

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Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 05-18-2004 01:51:53 PM
quote:
Maradon! painfully thought these words up:
What's a terrorist?

Someone who generates fear as a means to achieve their own goals.


It was a joke, really. Greenpeace does use some shady methods.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-18-2004 02:03:41 PM
Hey I just noticed Zaza and Maradon use the same character in their sigpics.
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"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Hugin
Pancake
posted 05-18-2004 02:07:08 PM
I don't really like Greenpeace. As Ja'Deth stated they often make mistakes, blow things out of proportion, hit the wrong targets and so on.

I have to say though that if the Attorney General has to dig up a random, forgotten and obscure law to prosecute them you have to start to wonder. It always annoys me when Politicians, lawyers, judges or the likes use laws like that. If they had a genuine case against them they should not have to resort to such tactics. Therefore I have to side with Greenpeace on this one.

"The individual must not merely wait and criticize, he must defend the cause the best he can.
The fate of the world will be such as the world deserves." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 05-18-2004 02:09:32 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael probably says this to all the girls:
Hey I just noticed Zaza and Maradon use the same character in their sigpics.

I used it like a month before he did.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 05-18-2004 04:04:32 PM
quote:
Zaza attempted to be funny by writing:
They are TERRORISTS.

Actually, like PETA, some of their methods are terrorist.

And, let's face it: the organization is dedicated to breaking laws in order to accomplish its agenda. Seems to me to be the very definition of a criminal organization.

You have to divorce the cause from the method.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 05-18-2004 07:01:28 PM
quote:
This insanity brought to you by Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:
Hey I just noticed Zaza and Maradon use the same character in their sigpics.

Yeah, I know. I've been reading Maradon's posts and thinking it was Zaza for awhile now.

The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 05-18-2004 09:31:03 PM
quote:
Maradon!'s fortune cookie read:

Someone who generates fear as a means to achieve their own goals.

technicaly by that defination are allmsot all newspapers and chanles terrorists?


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Freschel Spindrift
Caucasian
posted 05-19-2004 01:33:12 AM
You know, they are kind of smart of where to board the ship illegally. In the states they would get a light sentence, pay a fine, and be told not to do that again. But, what will happen if they pull this stunt at the port of origin, like Rio? I don't think that thier stay there will be a pleasent one.
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Bakura: Did you forget our anniversary, again? (laughter)
Zorc: Yes, I was busy destroying the world (laughter) Slaughtering millions. (Laughter)
Bakura: That's my Zorc.
The blood of the innocents will flow without end. His name is Zorc, and he's destroying the world.
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 05-19-2004 01:37:43 AM
If for any reason Greenpeace ever invaded my private watercraft do I have the legal right to physically kick them off of it if they do not leave when asked to?
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Trillee
I <3 My Deviant
posted 05-19-2004 01:41:34 AM
quote:
JooJooFlop's fortune cookie read:
If for any reason Greenpeace ever invaded my private watercraft do I have the legal right to physically kick them off of it if they do not leave when asked to?

just head way out into the ocean when the baord and push them over board, laugh, and head back to shore.

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 05-19-2004 01:48:13 AM
I inadvertently joined Greenpeace when I was like 15. My girlfriend turned out to be a tree hugging hippy, and she linked me to this website and told me to join the list, so I did since she gave good head and my name started going out on emails to President Clinton, along with a few thousand other names. The FBI has probably been watching me since.
Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 05-19-2004 02:27:08 AM
quote:
This is what Snoota is doing. This is what I want Snoota to do :
I inadvertently joined Greenpeace when I was like 15. My girlfriend turned out to be a tree hugging hippy, and she linked me to this website and told me to join the list, so I did since she gave good head and my name started going out on emails to President Clinton, along with a few thousand other names. The FBI has probably been watching me since.

Is this the part where you go for a drive while drunk, wreck your car, lose your memory, then open a movie theater with an old man claiming to be your dad?

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 05-19-2004 02:37:41 AM
quote:
Mog said this about your mom:
Technically, by that definition, are almost all newspapers and {news} channels terrorist?

If you were of the right mindset, you could call Bush going "OMG WMDs! WE'RE ALL DOOMED IF WE DON'T ATTACK NOW" a terrorist action, too. Inspiring fear in the heart of the populace in order to garner support to attack Iraq. Whether or not his reason to inspire fear was well founded is still up for debate.

Also, something like the Red Scare could be considered the effects of terrorism, I guess.

Correct me if I'm interpreting this wrong.

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 05-19-2004 at 02:41 AM.

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 05-19-2004 04:43:32 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Bajah said:
Is this the part where you go for a drive while drunk, wreck your car, lose your memory, then open a movie theater with an old man claiming to be your dad?

I'm sure I should be getting this reference, but it just isn't clicking.

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 05-19-2004 04:52:50 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Snoota wrote:
I'm sure I should be getting this reference, but it just isn't clicking.


The Majestic, I'm assuming. Jim Carrey.

As for joining Greenpeace to get a blow job I think Bill Clinton of all people would understand, so I doubt you were considered a threat.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Peter
Pancake
posted 05-19-2004 02:56:40 PM
quote:
Snoota thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I inadvertently joined Greenpeace when I was like 15. My girlfriend turned out to be a tree hugging hippy, and she linked me to this website and told me to join the list, so I did since she gave good head and my name started going out on emails to President Clinton, along with a few thousand other names. The FBI has probably been watching me since.

Could have been worse, could have Joined the Earth Liberation Front, those guys need to be locked up, just as badly as those Animal Liberation Front guys do. Personally I would have them shot, but thats me.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-19-2004 08:45:47 PM
quote:
Kegwen stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
If you were of the right mindset, you could call Bush going "OMG WMDs! WE'RE ALL DOOMED IF WE DON'T ATTACK NOW" a terrorist action, too. Inspiring fear in the heart of the populace in order to garner support to attack Iraq. Whether or not his reason to inspire fear was well founded is still up for debate.

Also, something like the Red Scare could be considered the effects of terrorism, I guess.

Correct me if I'm interpreting this wrong.


The difference is intent. Scaring someone for the greater good (IE scaring kids with the AIDS threat to get them to practice safe sex) is not the same thing as crashing an airplane into the WTC. The term for sensationalist media propoganda with a negative intent is "Yellow Journalism".

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Mog
not really a mmembe rof tis boered
posted 05-19-2004 11:19:22 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael!
The difference is intent. Scaring someone for the greater good (IE scaring kids with the AIDS threat to get them to practice safe sex) is not the same thing as crashing an airplane into the WTC. The term for sensationalist media propoganda with a negative intent is "Yellow Journalism".

I know waht yellow journalism is, but based on the difination of terrorist most frequently tosseda round, are they not one in the same


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