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Chugga
Pancake
posted 05-17-2004 02:25:21 AM
Alright, this might be a very oddball question, but...in the campaign I'm currently in, I ended up getting Polymorphed into a Pixie...Now my DM being the yutz that he is turns me into this, but has absolutely no infromation about pixies. Now, would anyone be able to pull the Pixies info from any of their DnD books? Stats and bonuses and stuff?

Yes, again I know it's odd but I need to know what I'm permanently stuck as.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 05-17-2004 02:33:32 AM
You have innate sleep. You're GM just broke the game. Run with it.

Edit: Actually did the polymorph or reincarnate? Because polymorph dosn't change stats or convey innate abilities if memory serves.

Naimah fucked around with this message on 05-17-2004 at 02:35 AM.

Darius!
Pancake
posted 05-17-2004 02:46:25 AM
Make stuff up.
Sean
posted 05-17-2004 03:13:42 AM
This presents an interesting quandry.

First off, what level character was Polymorphed? If anything higher than level one, I'd say you're seriously going to have to sit down and recreate him, rather than just modifying stats.

A Pixie is.. what.. CR 2?

I'd take its base MM stats (7 Str, 18 Dex, 11 Con, 16 Int, 15 Wis, 16 Cha) and level up the character from there, to wherever they were as their normal race.

When you want to get into the complete-game-mechanic-destroying aspect, remember this: Pixies are under a permanent Improved Invisibility. Sleep, or any of the other abilities be damned, permanent Improved Invisibility is the match in the powder keg of gamebreakers.

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posted 05-17-2004 03:17:44 AM
quote:
Sean wrote this stupid crap:
This presents an interesting quandry.

First off, what level character was Polymorphed? If anything higher than level one, I'd say you're seriously going to have to sit down and recreate him, rather than just modifying stats.

A Pixie is.. what.. CR 2?

I'd take its base MM stats (7 Str, 18 Dex, 11 Con, 16 Int, 15 Wis, 16 Cha) and level up the character from there, to wherever they were as their normal race.

When you want to get into the complete-game-mechanic-destroying aspect, remember this: Pixies are under a permanent Improved Invisibility. Sleep, or any of the other abilities be damned, permanent Improved Invisibility is the match in the powder keg of gamebreakers.


We got sucked into a swamp while going down a river. After battling some spiders (and blowing 'em up with some good greek fire), we found a house. In the basement, we found some potions. One of which gave the 4'9" elf in our party fairywings, the other elf some regenerative properties, and me permanent invisibility.. even on my stuff (After one round of posessing it.).

It was awesome, until he tricked me into getting it removed.

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-17-2004 03:26:04 AM
What edition of D&D? That will tell me what version of Polymorph we're dealing with.
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Chugga
Pancake
posted 05-17-2004 03:29:15 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon had this to say about Knight Rider:
What edition of D&D? That will tell me what version of Polymorph we're dealing with.

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Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-17-2004 03:37:16 AM
quote:
Doomie had this to say about Optimus Prime:
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You will gain the physical and natural abilties of a Pixie. You will NOT get any mental, supernatural, spell, or spell-like abilities (though you do keep your own).

So, you're gonna be small, fragile, hard to hit, and flutter. You don't get the really fun stuff that Pixies have.

I don't have the MM at the moment, sorry.

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-17-2004 04:03:58 AM
Wait...I too am unclear. Is this a polymorph effect or is this some sort of bizarre reincarnation? If it's a polymorph, just get it dispelled. If your GM did it to be a prick, kick him in the nuts. If this is a result of you pissing him off...you're in a sticky situation, game mechanics aside.
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Chugga
Pancake
posted 05-17-2004 05:16:59 AM
quote:
This one time, at Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael camp:
Wait...I too am unclear. Is this a polymorph effect or is this some sort of bizarre reincarnation? If it's a polymorph, just get it dispelled. If your GM did it to be a prick, kick him in the nuts. If this is a result of you pissing him off...you're in a sticky situation, game mechanics aside.

Polymorph is a permanent change.

Chugga
Pancake
posted 05-17-2004 05:22:41 AM
quote:
Palador ChibiDragon attempted to be funny by writing:
You will gain the physical and natural abilties of a Pixie. You will NOT get any mental, supernatural, spell, or spell-like abilities (though you do keep your own).

So, you're gonna be small, fragile, hard to hit, and flutter. You don't get the really fun stuff that Pixies have.

I don't have the MM at the moment, sorry.


Says the improved invis is a natural ability.

Alaan
posted 05-17-2004 07:58:33 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Doomie wrote:
Polymorph is a permanent change.

I don't think so. Pretty sure it has a 1 min/level or something like that. At school so no access to books though.

`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 05-17-2004 08:12:40 AM
quote:
Alaan really knows where their towel is...
I don't think so. Pretty sure it has a 1 min/level or something like that. At school so no access to books though.
Polymorph Other (3.0) is permanent. Polymorph (3.5) has a fairly limited duration. Different members of the Polymorph family also have different descriptions, which means the details of which abilities one does or doesn't get will vary. Then there's the lesser and greater spells in the same family, such as Shapechange (L9 spell), and the Reincarnation spell, which have different sets of criteria entirely. This is why saying he was "polymorphed" provides too little detail.

From the sounds of it, though, we're looking at Polymorph Other, v3.0.

`Doc fucked around with this message on 05-17-2004 at 08:14 AM.

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Alaan
posted 05-17-2004 08:15:10 AM
quote:
`Doc wrote this stupid crap:
Polymorph Other (3.0) is permanent. Polymorph (3.5) has a fairly limited duration. Different members of the Polymorph family also have different descriptions, which means the details of which abilities one does or doesn't get will vary. Then there's the lesser and greater spells in the same family, such as Shapechange (L9 spell), and the Reincarnation spell, which have different sets of criteria entirely. This is why saying he was "polymorphed" provides too little detail.

From the sounds of it, though, we're looking at Polymorph Other, v3.0.


Ah. Hadn't touched 3.0 spells for a while so was thinking of the 3.5 version of it.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-17-2004 10:33:27 AM
Same here. The way I've always read polymorph is that it's permanent until acted upon by an outside force. Saying something with a "Permanent" designator means it can't be counteracted is a bit like saying since you've been Resurrected (giving life to lifelessness), that means that forevermore you're immune to the Death or PW:Kill spell, since it's effectively the antithesis.

Polymorph, in other words, should be able to be dispelled, as per the usual rules regarding what spells trump what other spells. I'm not saying it should be easy, just that I don't think there's anything in the rules stating it should be permanently crippling. Something resulting in a permanent change of ground state would require Permanence or some equivalent higher-end spell.

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Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 05-17-2004 10:41:27 AM
Sweetie, is there anything about pixies in my Mythic Races book? Might be able to find something there to help.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 05-17-2004 10:49:39 AM
Different sort of pixies. They're covered in the straight Monster Manual (Grigs, Nixies, and Pixies). I looked up the "pixies" in Mythic Races, though, just out of curiousity. In that book they seem to be trying to encompass a generic Tinkerbell-type Fairy (in fact they're referred to as Fairies).

They get several stat adjustments, natural invisibility, ability to cast Faerie Fire more or less at will, and several other abilities (based on whether they're Seelie or Unseelie), at the cost of a +3 Level adjustment (this book came out pre-3.5 and Savage Species). If Doomie wants me to I can type up the pertinent information, but I don't think it's necessarily what he's looking for.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
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Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 05-17-2004 11:10:40 AM
Ok, found the 3.0 MM.

Stat wise, you're boned if you like high Str.

Str: 7, Dex: 18, Con: 11
AC: 16 (+1 size, +4 Dex, +1 Natural)
Speed: 20 ft, fly 60 ft (good)
Size: Small

"When visible, pixies resemble small evles, but with longer ears and gossamer wings. They wear bright clothing, often including a cap and shoes with curled and pointed toes. Pixies stand about 2 1/2 feet tall."

Pixie Spell Resistance, Invisibility, and Spell-Like abilities are all non-natural. You don't get them. (The invis is listed as a supernatural ability.) The special arrows they use are magical items they make, and polymorph won't give them to you.

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`Doc
Cold in an Alley
posted 05-17-2004 12:00:23 PM
To sum up what Palador said...

  • You now have a +8 racial adjustment to DEX, a -3 racial adjustment to STR, and a +1 racial adjustment to CON.
  • You're now 2.5 ft tall, which makes you small (between 2 and 4 ft). This gives you +1 AC, +1 to hit, and +4 hide. It makes you use smaller weapons & armor, and reduces your carrying capacity by 25%. Your land speed is now 20 ft, as per halflings.
  • You can fly using your new butterfly-style pixie wings, at three times your overland speed. Be careful in high winds.
  • You have +1 natural armor bonus (lord knows from where).

    Other than that, nothing should have changed. Though you will need to deal with the issue of whether or not your gear still fits, seeing as you're now 2.5 ft tall with wings.

    Being polymorphed will not change your hitpoints. The change in CON will not retroactively adjust your hitpoints either.

    `Doc fucked around with this message on 05-17-2004 at 12:25 PM.

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    Hugin
    Pancake
    posted 05-17-2004 02:38:42 PM
    Your change in con will change your hitpoints as any change in con does in 3rd ed.
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    Palador ChibiDragon
    Dismembered
    posted 05-17-2004 05:59:23 PM
    quote:
    `Doc had this to say about Pirotess:
    To sum up what Palador said...

  • You now have a +8 racial adjustment to DEX, a -3 racial adjustment to STR, and a +1 racial adjustment to CON.

  • This is INCORRECT. That version of Polymorph will give you Average stats for your new form, having a high or low base stat to start with doesn't matter. You will have the stats listed. This is a small, but VERY important detail of the spell, to prevent people from using it to boost stats by making minor changes (say, turning your wimpy human mage into a bodybuilder-ish human mage).

    quote:
  • You're now 2.5 ft tall, which makes you small (between 2 and 4 ft). This gives you +1 AC, +1 to hit, and +4 hide. It makes you use smaller weapons & armor, and reduces your carrying capacity by 25%. Your land speed is now 20 ft, as per halflings.
  • You can fly using your new butterfly-style pixie wings, at three times your overland speed. Be careful in high winds.
  • You have +1 natural armor bonus (lord knows from where).

    Other than that, nothing should have changed. Though you will need to deal with the issue of whether or not your gear still fits, seeing as you're now 2.5 ft tall with wings.

    Being polymorphed will not change your hitpoints. The change in CON will not retroactively adjust your hitpoints either.


  • As you have turned into something that can use items, your items have changed in size to fit you and continue to work. If you had been changed into something that isn't made to use humanoid-style items (say, a cat), the items would have merged with you and any magic would have stopped working. However, I'm not sure you can wear your old armor with the wings, even when it does change size.

    The HP staying the same despite the change in Con is correct, it's mentioned in the spell.

    Base land speed is 20, flying speed is 60. If you boost your land speed somehow, that doesn't boost your flying speed (unless the skill or effect says so). So it may not just be Fly = land * 3.

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    Elvish Crack Piper
    Murder is justified so long as people believe in something different than you do
    posted 05-18-2004 04:33:27 AM
    This is entirely un-releated to the question at hand, but figured I might as well not make a new thread for a DnD question.

    Does anyone know of / use a program that would be good for making a wizards tower?

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