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Topic: Donnie Darko Hardcore Style
frolicking imp
Pancake
posted 04-27-2004 01:44:23 AM
So In know this has probally been discussed to death in the past, but I choose to rez it. I just saw Donnie Darko for the first time. Beinf slightly befuddled, I took immediatly to the internet and spent several hours reading over various theories. I have since come to my own as well, but would be just tickled pink to hear yours. (thats right I said tickled pink, deal with it) So then... Donnie Darko... Discuss.


Oh yeah and by they way, HI ive missed you all. Ive been out and about and rodent kings feeble attempts to get me to come back have failed numerous times.

*A Nypmh hits you and steals your virginity*
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 04-27-2004 01:50:46 AM
Everytime someone talks about Donnie Darko like this Richard Kelly masturbates just a little more furiously.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
nem-x
posted 04-27-2004 02:12:19 AM
I will discuss that the movie sucks. There's nothing there. If you do find something there, you are looking into it way too much and giving it more credit than it's worth.
frolicking imp
Pancake
posted 04-27-2004 02:14:19 AM
yeah I had a feeling that this thread would either be taken extremly well or burn in flames. I wasn't sure, but now I know. lol oh well.
*A Nypmh hits you and steals your virginity*
Synjari
Warrior Princess
Cookie Seraphim!
posted 04-27-2004 04:30:25 AM
hey miss imp!

"Villiany wears many masks, none of which are more dangerous than virtue." - "Sleepy Hollow"
Maradon!
posted 04-27-2004 05:44:00 AM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq frolicking imp booooze lime pole over bench lick:
yeah I had a feeling that this thread would either be taken extremly well or burn in flames. I wasn't sure, but now I know. lol oh well.

Pray to god it slides to page 2 before Lyinar shows up.

Hugin
Pancake
posted 04-27-2004 09:40:56 AM
As far as I can tell "Lathe of Heaven" by Ursula Le Guin has a very similar concept. Handled totally differently but the hook is very similar.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 04-27-2004 12:04:32 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Maradon!!
Pray to god it slides to page 2 before Lyinar shows up.

Don't you have some necromancer stuff to bitch about? No? That's in the past? SO IS THE "LYINAR BITCHES ABOUT EVERYTHING" JOKE, ASSHAT *I'VE* bitched more about Donnie Darko lately than Lyinar ever did. Get a grip, Bill. Don't backslide.


ahem.

That having been gotten out of the way, what did you want to discuss about Donnie Darko, Imp?

The emo kids (I think it was) seemed to think that it was a deep and meaningful experience. Maybe I was looking too hard for any real meaning, but it didn't impress me. Leopold sent me an interesting PM comparing Donnie Darko to the film "The Last Temptation of Christ" which, if anything, is the only way I can see the Darko/Christ parallel people always inevitably claim. That's right. Darko is to hollywood science what hollywood jesus was to hollywood religion. Or something.

Anyway, I didn't find the film particularly amazing because the message and target audience were unclear. Mechanically (IE moviemaking mechanics, shots and special effects and such) it was confusing at best. It didn't elaborate enough or make enough straight points with it's scene clips or the like.

Overall I found the film confusing at best, and overhyped tripe at worst.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael fucked around with this message on 04-27-2004 at 12:06 PM.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
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BeauChan
Objects in sigpic may be hammier than they appear
posted 04-27-2004 12:16:42 PM
It was a funny movie ^_^


edit: but it fucked with my head It was only funny after I figured out what the hell was happening

BeauChan fucked around with this message on 04-27-2004 at 12:17 PM.

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Jania Arindelil
Is really cute and cuddly... just needs a hug
posted 04-27-2004 07:35:18 PM
My theory:

It sucked giant monkey dick. It tried way way WAY too hard to be "unique" and
"cutting-edge" rather than trying to be a well told story. It had very flat characters, an unnecessarily convoluted plot, and has gotten a ton more credit than it deserves. If I never seen another movie by the guy that did it, I'll be a happy woman.


Jania Arindelil
Dragon Guardian, Grandmaster Archer
Very Cranky Person
"I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career." - Darwin Mayflower
Maradon!
posted 04-27-2004 11:08:46 PM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Don't you have some necromancer stuff to bitch about? No? That's in the past?

Ya see, Deth, I actually stopped whining about necros. Lyinar never stopped whining about Donny Darko, we just stopped bringing the topic up. Now that the topic is back up...

Steven Steve
posted 04-27-2004 11:27:25 PM
Well actually, no one ever brought up necros in the first place neither, so that doesn't make sense.
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Suddar
posted 04-27-2004 11:34:47 PM
quote:
Fazum'Zen Fastfist obviously shouldn't have said:
Well actually, no one ever brought up necros in the first place neither, so that doesn't make sense.

No, it makes perfect sense. He whined about it because he brought it up. Then, he stopped bringing it up.

Not making any comments on Lyinar's opinion on things, just his whining about necros.

Maradon!
posted 04-27-2004 11:44:07 PM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Fazum'Zen Fastfist booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Well actually, no one ever brought up necros in the first place neither, so that doesn't make sense.

Actually I can remember one single instance where I started a thread about Necromancers.

All the rest of my rants were in response to people claiming Necros were balanced or even, preposterous as it was at the time, overpowered. So yeah, in the vast majority of the cases, someone else brought up necros first. But like Suddar said that's completely beside the point.

I didn't even draw that tangent to begin with, Deth did.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-27-2004 at 11:44 PM.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 04-28-2004 01:38:55 AM
quote:
Maradon! impressed everyone with:
Actually I can remember one single instance where I started a thread about Necromancers.

All the rest of my rants were in response to people claiming Necros were balanced or even, preposterous as it was at the time, overpowered. So yeah, in the vast majority of the cases, someone else brought up necros first. But like Suddar said that's completely beside the point.

I didn't even draw that tangent to begin with, Deth did.


You classically bitched about Necromancers every chance you got. It got to the point where Drysart restricted you from bitching about them. Remember? Necro whining. Constantly. Balance, Epic, functionality. Bitch Bitch Bitch. Then you stopped, and for a while there you didn't care for people bringing it up.

Same deal here. Lyinar only griped about Donnie Darko on a handful of occasions and then she stopped. She hasn't mentioned Donnie Darko in a LONG FUCKING TIME but you have to be clever so you bring it up again. Don't be an asshat, Maradon.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

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Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 04-28-2004 01:39:34 AM
Wait, I thought Donnie Darko was a movie, not some freakyass political debate.
Zaile Ghostmaker
You've gotta remember, I'm an EverQuest character.
posted 04-28-2004 01:49:48 AM
quote:
Maradon! rode by in a mouse drawn chariot while shouting:
All the rest of my rants were in response to people claiming Necros were balanced or even, preposterous as it was at the time, overpowered.

Are you suggesting that they were NOT overpowered? Damned bastards actually got their pets at level 1. LEVEL ONE!!! How fair is that?

I joke. I kid. I have hairballs.

Zaile Ghostmaker fucked around with this message on 04-28-2004 at 01:50 AM.

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Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 04-28-2004 05:53:59 PM
I've never seen Donnie Darko(and, coincidently, always get it confused with Donnie Brasco and wonder wtf all this crap has to do with a Mafia movie), but if you have to spend that much time thinking about what a movie was about before coming to a conclusion that cannot be proven or disproven, then it failed as a movie.

I go to the movies to see a story, not the visual version of the Choose An Adventure books.

Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 04-28-2004 06:22:35 PM
quote:
Snoota was naked while typing this:
I go to the movies to see a story, not the visual version of the Choose An Adventure books.

I saw one of those once.
At the end of the second viewing (wherein the audience decided that the human biker should win instead of the alien) a 'racer X' type appeared in purple, but who was it? I may never know, because he only got 7 votes to win

Anyone else know what I'm talking about? It was like only half an hour long, but pretty nifty.




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Dionysus
Pancake
posted 04-28-2004 09:20:53 PM
quote:
Snoota impressed everyone with:
but if you have to spend that much time thinking about what a movie was about before coming to a conclusion that cannot be proven or disproven, then it failed as a movie.

Untrue. Ingmar Bergman anyone?

The plot in Donnie Darko actually made sense. Yes, every part of it. Even the weird shit coming out of people's chests.

Do not proceed unless you have seen the film!

"The Philosophy Of Time Travel" is the book given to Donnie by Noah Wyles science teacher. Although we never really find out what's in the book, the details can be found hidden in the official Donnie Darko website.

The details in the book directly explain the events of the movie.

The Philosophy Of Time Travel

Foreword

I would like to thank the sisters of the Saint John Chapter in Alexandria, Virginia for their support in my decision.

By the grace of God, they are:

Sister Eleanor Lewis
Sister Francesca Godard
Sister Helen Davis
Sister Catherine Arnold
Sister Mary Lee Pond
Sister Virginia Wessex

This intent of this book is for it to be used as a simple and direct guide in a time of great danger.

I pray that this is merely a work of fiction.

If it is not, then I pray for you, the reader of this book.

If I am still alive when the events foretold in these pages occur, then I hope that you will find me before it is too late.

Roberta Ann Sparrow
October, 1944

Chapter One: The Tangent Universe

The primary universe is fraught with great peril. War, plague, famine and natural disaster are common. Death comes to us all.

The Fourth Dimension of Time is a stable construct, though it is not impenetrable.

Incidents when the fabric of the fourth dime(n)sion becomes corrupted are incredibly rare.

If a Tangent Universe occurs, it will be highly unstable, sustaining itself for no longer than several weeks.

Eventually it will collapse upon itself, forming a black hole within the Primary Universe capable of destroying all existence.

Chapter Two: Water and Metal

Water and Metal are the key elements of Time Travel.

Water is the barrier element for the construction of Time Portals used as gateways between Universes at the Tangent Vortex.

Metal is the transitional element for the construction of Artifact Vessels.

Chapter Four: The Artifact And The Living

When a Tangent Universe occurs, those living nearest to the Vortex will find themselves at the epicenter of a dangerous new world.

Artifacts provide first sign that a Tangent Universe has occured.

If an Artifact occurs, the Living will retrieve it with great interest and curiosity. Artifacts are formed from metal, such as an Arrowhead from an ancient Mayan civilisation, or a Metal Sword from Medieval Europe.

Artifacts returned to the Primary Universe are often linked to religious Iconography, as their appearance on Earth seems to defy logical explanation.

Divine intervention is deemed the only logical conclusion for the appearance for the Artifact.

Chapter Six: The Living Receiver

The Living Receiver is chosen to guide the Artifact into position for its journey back to the Primary Universe.

No one knows how or why a Receiver will be chosen.

The Living Receiver is often blessed with a Fourth Dimensional Powers. These include increased strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water.

The Living Receiver is often tormented by terrifying dreams, visions and auditory hallucinations during his time within the Tangent Universe.

Those surrounding the Living Receiver, known as the Manipulated, will fear him and try to destroy him.

Chapter Seven: The Manipulated Living

The Manipulated Living are often the close friends and neighbours of the Living Receiver.

They are prone to irrational, bizarre, and often violent behaviour. This is the unfortunate result of their task, which is to assist the Living Receiver in returning the Artifact to the Primary Universe.

The Manipulated Living will do anything to save themselves from Oblivion.

The Manipulated Dead

The Manipulated Dead are more powerful than the Living Receiver. If a person dies within the Tangent Dimension, they are able to contact the Living Receiver through the Fourth Dimensional Construct.

The Fourth Dimensional Construct is made of Water.

The Manipulated Dead will manipulate the Living Receiver using the Fourth Dimensional Construct (see Appendix A and B).

The Manipulated Dead will often set an Ensurance Trap for the Living Receiver to ensure that the Artifact is returned safely to the Primary Universe.

If the Ensurance Trap is succesful, the Living Receiver is left with no choice but to use his Fourth Dimensional Power to send the Artifact back in time into the Primary Universe before the Black Hole collapses upon itself.

Chapter Twelve: Dreams

When the Manipulated awaken from their Journey into the Tangent Universe, they are often haunted by the experience in their dreams.

Many of them will not remember.

Those who do remember the Journey are often overcome with profound remorse for the regretful actions buried within their Dreams, the only physical evidence buried within the Artifact itself; all that remains from the lost world.

Ancient myth tells us of the Mayan Warrior killed by an Arrowhead that had fallen from a cliff, where there was no Army, no enemy to be found.

We are told of the Medievel Knight mysteriously impaled by the sword he had not yet built.

We are told that these things occur for a reason.

Also here

It is a great film that people immediatly turn their noses up to and claim it to be arbitrary and pretentious.

nnioR~

Jania Arindelil
Is really cute and cuddly... just needs a hug
posted 04-28-2004 10:17:40 PM
Having to resort to a website when a movie failed to bring things out in the process of the film does NOT equal a well done movie.

Jania Arindelil
Dragon Guardian, Grandmaster Archer
Very Cranky Person
"I'll torture you so slowly, you'll think it's a career." - Darwin Mayflower
Dionysus
Pancake
posted 04-29-2004 12:04:34 AM
quote:
Jania Arindelil had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Having to resort to a website when a movie failed to bring things out in the process of the film does NOT equal a well done movie.

Having to be linked to a website explaining the films coherence rather than figuring it out yourself does NOT equal an attentive viewer. Or one that cares, for that matter.

nnioR~

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 04-29-2004 12:05:47 AM
quote:
Nny had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
"The Philosophy Of Time Travel" is the book given to Donnie by Noah Wyles science teacher. Although we never really find out what's in the book, the details can be found hidden in the official Donnie Darko website.

Having to read the website to gain knowledge of what was the most important plot point means the movie didn't fail, it failed horribly.

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 04-29-2004 12:06:45 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Nny said:
Having to be linked to a website explaining the films coherence rather than figuring it out yourself does NOT equal an attentive viewer. Or one that cares, for that matter.

nnioR~


But you just said that part wasn't in the movie, therefore it would be impossible for it to be explained anywhere but the website.

Make up your mind.

Dionysus
Pancake
posted 04-29-2004 12:17:07 AM
quote:
Snoota wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
But you just said that part wasn't in the movie, therefore it would be impossible for it to be explained anywhere but the website.

Make up your mind.


The Philosophy of Time travel was not in the movie, however, the movie could easily be understood without it as the URL at the bottom proves. The Philosophy of Time Travel was just an extra that may or may not give a bit more insight into some of the technical details.

nnioR~

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 04-29-2004 12:23:42 AM
Ooooh Babe, don't leave me now. Don't say it's the end of the road. Remember the flowers I sent. I need you Babe, to put through the shredder in front of my friends. Ooooh Babe, don't leave me now. How could you go?When you know how I need you. To beat a pulp on a Saturday night. Ooooh Babe, don't leave me now. How can you treat me in this way, running away? I need you Babe. Why are you running away? Ooooh Babe.
Dionysus
Pancake
posted 04-29-2004 12:27:10 AM
quote:
Snoota had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Ooooh Babe, don't leave me now. Don't say it's the end of the road. Remember the flowers I sent. I need you Babe, to put through the shredder in front of my friends. Ooooh Babe, don't leave me now. How could you go?When you know how I need you. To beat a pulp on a Saturday night. Ooooh Babe, don't leave me now. How can you treat me in this way, running away? I need you Babe. Why are you running away? Ooooh Babe.

I enjoy Pink Floyd. Very much.

nnioR~

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