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Poll: Will this do more harm than good?
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diadem
eet bugz
posted 02-08-2004 04:34:25 PM
Genetically engineered terminator fish

Will this do more harm than good?
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quote:

Not dead which eternal lie
Stranger eons Death may die
Drain you of your sanity
Face The Thing That Should Not Be

[ 02-08-2004: Message edited by: diadem ]

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Alaan
posted 02-08-2004 04:37:04 PM
As we have learned in the past, it is nigh impossible to undo what has been done. Even if they kill of the carp the original eco-system there will never return.
Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 02-08-2004 04:39:52 PM
quote:
Using a $3 million grant from the Murray Darling Basin Commission, the scientists are perfecting a technique which prevents the fish from developing female embryos.

Yeah, that didn't work in Jurassic Park, what makes them think it's gonna work in real life?




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diadem
eet bugz
posted 02-08-2004 04:42:57 PM
quote:
Gunslinger Moogle stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Yeah, that didn't work in Jurassic Park, what makes them think it's gonna work in real life?

because the titanic is the strongest ship in the fleet!

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Gunslinger Moogle
No longer a gimmick
posted 02-08-2004 04:43:44 PM
quote:
diadem had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
because the titanic is the strongest ship in the fleet!

o rly




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Broadzilla
Pancake
posted 02-08-2004 04:44:00 PM
Fish farts!
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Maradon!
posted 02-08-2004 04:54:46 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Gunslinger Moogle:
Yeah, that didn't work in Jurassic Park, what makes them think it's gonna work in real life?

Because if you saw it in a movie, it has to be true!

As a moot side note, it didn't work in Jurrasic Park because they filled in missing dinosaur DNA with that of frogs which had the ability to breed aesexually. Even if you DO think the movie is at all relevant, it isn't applicable here.

People have such a baseless fear of genetic manipulation.

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Bummey the Fool
Prefers to play with men
posted 02-08-2004 05:11:20 PM
Interesting, to say the least.

edit: I was let down when I saw the title of the article. I thought it was about making fish into mutant killing machines =(((((

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Vernaltemptress
Withered and Alone
posted 02-09-2004 01:39:43 AM
quote:
"These blokes have no understanding of what's happening in the environment. They need to be studying the ecology of the Murray Darling, rather than genetic engineering, which treats the animal as a machine."
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Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 02-09-2004 01:52:28 AM
IF (and that's a big if) the fish in question have no contact with their counterparts that are not considered pests, then I see no big problem with this. Unless someone actually takes one of the GM fish and puts it where it doesn't belong on purpose.

However, my real thought on the subject is that these scientists are just manifesting their own lack of sex life onto these fish in some kind of weird, transferance thingy. If they could just get laid, then they'd realize that they just need to get stinking drunk and go gernade fishing, like normal people. That'll get 'em.

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Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 02-09-2004 01:54:16 AM
Comedy Metallica Quote response option here.


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Delphi Aegis
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posted 02-09-2004 02:04:30 AM
quote:
Maradon the Dumbleton had this to say about Cuba:
Because if you saw it in a movie, it has to be true!

As a moot side note, it didn't work in Jurrasic Park because they filled in missing dinosaur DNA with that of frogs which had the ability to breed aesexually. Even if you DO think the movie is at all relevant, it isn't applicable here.

People have such a baseless fear of genetic manipulation.


Actually, they don't asexually reproduce. The males become females spontaneously.

..

That'd be interesting, wouldn't it? "Fuck! I think I'm pregnant! .. *grunts* Phew. Penis time!"

Bummey the Fool
Prefers to play with men
posted 02-09-2004 02:26:08 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Duck Tales:

That'd be interesting, wouldn't it? "Fuck! I think I'm pregnant! .. *grunts* Phew. Penis time!"

...................................WHAT?!!

Freschel Spindrift
Caucasian
posted 02-09-2004 02:34:59 AM
Will they have lasers mounted on thier heads? Mmmm sushi.
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Pvednes
Lynched
posted 02-09-2004 02:37:01 AM
I don't know why people have such a baseless fear of genetic engineering, especially since we've been doing it for tens of thousands of years.

In any case, this is a sound way of controlling the population of carp, for two reasons. The first, is that there is no way for these fish to get back to europe and decimate native populations. The second, is there is no way for the modifications to jump species.

Distinct thumbs up here.

ps. Jurassic Park is not an authority on biotechnology.

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 02-09-2004 02:44:07 AM
quote:
Alaan had this to say about Robocop:
As we have learned in the past, it is nigh impossible to undo what has been done. Even if they kill of the carp the original eco-system there will never return.

Actually the original species remain, but are endangered by the carp. Wiping out the carp will leave an ENORMOUS empty niche for them to reclaim.

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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 02-09-2004 03:13:43 PM
The thought that comes to mind after reading that...

"Fuck... they've genetically altered fish to spawn more cockblockers? The Bastards!"

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diadem
eet bugz
posted 02-09-2004 03:17:29 PM
Is cross-species fertilization possible, like the Lion/Tiger Liger?

Also, that killer bees being created by man thing.. is that real or just a roomer?

edit: Yes, I know for it to technicly be a species two creatures have to be able to have kids. More importantly, their children have to be able to have children.

[ 02-09-2004: Message edited by: diadem ]

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Pvednes
Lynched
posted 02-09-2004 08:35:04 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by diadem:
Is cross-species fertilization possible, like the Lion/Tiger Liger?

Also, that killer bees being created by man thing.. is that real or just a roomer?

edit: Yes, I know for it to technicly be a species two creatures have to be able to have kids. More importantly, their children have to be able to have children.


Cross-species fertilizations like the Liger do not occur in the wild. While it's not impossible, it's extremely unlikely, because even in the closest species, (Note: panthera leo, panthera tigris) there is only the slightest overlap, and are reproductively isolated from eachother. (imagine being forced to mate with a chimpanzee. Yeah, that's how the tiger feels.) That being said, don't fish spawn? they're likely more mechanically isolated than most for that reason. Can't be having hybrids all over the place, it's not an advantageous trait.

For that matter the european carp is the only member of genus cyprinus in the Murray-Darling basin. So no, no hybridization would be happening there. As for killer bees, ask the Cigarette-Smoking Maradon, he's behind that particular conspiracy.

diadem
eet bugz
posted 02-10-2004 07:45:29 AM
quote:
When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Pvednes said:

For that matter the european carp is the only member of genus cyprinus in the Murray-Darling basin. So no, no hybridization would be happening there. As for killer bees, ask the Cigarette-Smoking Maradon, he's behind that particular conspiracy.[/color]

The cross-species thing makes sense.


As for the killer bee thing, thanks. Heard about that from a friend, who wasn't sure about it. I couldn't find any text on it, nor did I hear anything about it in bio class. That's why I asked... I knew it was possible but didn't see any supporting evidence. Was hoping someone would know. Guess that answers my question.

Now for an other question - how come the terminator fish only attack certain species? Why won't they attack the species they intend to save after they finish elminating the others?

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Pancake
posted 02-10-2004 05:08:34 PM
...we bitch and complain about bio-engineering with humans, yet its okay with fish? Boggle. Besides...whats wrong with our current strategy of fish killing? I thought oil spills and continuous (know I misspelled that, sorry) fishing worked fairly well in the rest of the world...why not try it there?
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Razor
posted 02-10-2004 05:16:38 PM
Fishy go boom.


Anyways, the Killer bees were imported to South America from western Africa. It was an uncontroled experiment that went horribally wrong. thus they now cover most of the Americas, except for Chile, Alaska, and the Northern Territories.

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Vorago
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posted 02-10-2004 05:26:11 PM
The Killer Bee was a freak resulting from attempts to engineer a better honey bee for the honey markets, by crossbreeding two relatively harmless honey bee species together, hoping to get one with the best traits of each.

But, the two breeds ended up producing the African Killer Bee by some fluke, which were accidently released and spread like wildfire, being superior to every other species of bee alive

Funny fact, if an animal, say a pig, disturbs a killer bee nest, they swarm out and kill it, but continue to attack, on sight, any other pigs that happen near the hive for upwards of a week afterwards.

Read a bunch of articles on them before, the freezing temperature experiment was cool. All the bees swarmed up and covered the queen like a giant living hive, and the corpses of the outside bees kept the interior warm, and the queen feeds off the ones closest to her to survive, and when the season changes, she emerges and starts breeding again.

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posted 02-10-2004 05:31:48 PM
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