ok nice girl goes missing police almsot imeaditly have a suspect why? security/insurance concerns led to a car wash instaling a survailince camera which captured the abduction.
Why is this a great opportunity? Let me tell you...You have a Fairly well known national case all but solved by a single camera being on 24/7 duty. it wouldnt take much to pass some law giving companies taxbreaks equal to the cost and maintince and use of such systems.
with a camera on every corner think of the effect it would have on crime. BUT WHAT ABOUT BIG BROTHER. since it would be a more or less voluntary thing done by compaines camera's wouldnt be everywhere but they would be in enough public places that crime would become harder to perform or at least you would know who did it. also the benifits to increased homeland security cant be questioned.
sadly (or maybe fortunetly) liky this will not happen.
Just like Bush squandered the chance he had with 9-11 to pass sweeping laws to reduce americas dependance on forigein oil and other mesures to better provide security for us this to shall pass.
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. --Thomas Paine
"If you don't appreciate it, you don't deserve it." Terry Josephson, 20th/21st-century motivational author
there would be no relequishing of freedom in a system such as this.
The people in America with brains (meaning not you) would never go for soemthing like this. I have enough of a problem with companies that have cameras inside stores. Having them outside is pushing it way to far. The last thing the goverment needs to do is encourage companies to do this.
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Delphi Aegis's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
"Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither." -- Benjamin Franklin
Ben Franklin can kiss my ass.
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How.... Azizza.... uughhhhhh:
I have enough of a problem with companies that have cameras inside stores.
What problem is this?
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ACES! Another post by Azizza:
God you are an idiot!The people in America with brains (meaning not you) would never go for soemthing like this. I have enough of a problem with companies that have cameras inside stores. Having them outside is pushing it way to far. The last thing the goverment needs to do is encourage companies to do this.
yeah? if that car wash hadnt had a camera that girl's killer wouldnt have been caught as quickly for him justice will be SWIFT and sure.
isnt that worthwhile? as long as the government stays out of our homes what right to pricavy to you really have in public places? NONE yet you are concerned about a video camera.
ignorance is bliss and you are one happy boy.
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Somthor had this to say about dark elf butts:
ignorance is bliss and you are one happy boy.
That is the single most fucking retarded and ass-backwards thing you have ever said on these boards.
I fear your own special brand of ignorance is contagious; luckily I have no enemies with the inclination to hit me in the head with a brick, so I'm safe.
It's not something people hear about.
[ 02-06-2004: Message edited by: Somthor ]
Hmm Well wait. Nope actually I don't. See I have this theory. People can take care of themselves with minimal input from the goverment. You seem to think that it takes a village to raise a child and that we should all be one big happy family. Welcome to the real world. It isn't like that.
CCTV cameras in public places are refered to by many people as target practive. I tend to agree with them on that. [ 02-06-2004: Message edited by: Azizza ]
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Suddar stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I'd rather have the crime.
I can respect that. 
me? I'd rather have the camera's.
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Somthor stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
I can respect that.me? I'd rather have the camera's.
You have yet to show that you respect anything.
I would tell you to move to England if you want the Cameras. But I like the English to much. Why don't you try China. You seem to share thier Ideals.
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Verily, Azizza doth proclaim:
You have yet to show that you respect anything.I would tell you to move to England if you want the Cameras. But I like the English to much. Why don't you try China. You seem to share thier Ideals.
Never liked the Chinese. Too uptight and rigid.
Give me the easy-going, noodle-eating Japanese anytime.
Dont use any maybes and what if's or use the BB argument.
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Somthor Model 2000 was programmed to say:
whats wrong with putting cameras only in public areas where there is no expectation of privacy and useing them for only for valid law enforcement purposes?Dont use any maybes and what if's or use the BB argument.
That's a whole different sack of potatoes. The argument you conveyed was to put cameras in many other places. You then threw fuel on the fire with a crack against Bush (a crack that was largely out of place and looked solely intended to incite flames).
You can see why people are reacting as such.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and King Parcelan was all like:
That's a whole different sack of potatoes. The argument you conveyed was to put cameras in many other places. You then threw fuel on the fire with a crack against Bush (a crack that was largely out of place and looked solely intended to incite flames).You can see why people are reacting as such.(becuase Somthor posted it?)
you have no expectaion of privacy in public places. I suggested the camera's be be put in place by companies. and given a tax incentive to do so.
I suppose I should have been more clear on my posistion.
anyway Disccuss freely.
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Nobody really understood why Somthor wrote:
you have no expectaion of privacy in public places. I suggested the camera's be be put in place by companies. and given a tax incentive to do so.I suppose I should have been more clear on my posistion.
anyway Disccuss freely.
And thus, still, the crack on Bush was nothing more than incidenary device.
But anyways, the tax incentive to put up security cameras are a double-edged sword. While you have no expectation of privacy, people still expect it. Forget the law and what have you, there are a lot of people that would just as soon not be taken on camera.
Thusly, if you put up cameras, you may lose a few customers. Unless, of course, you never tell them...
Then you just totally crapped your pants and pissed down your leg with that last paragraph. Totally unrelated and not connected to the subject under discussion, but yet you just HAD to throw that in there.
Maybe I'll take up the same hobby, but with a different target. Say if we're discussing something about cosmology. I could finish up my post with something like, "Boy, space sure is big and empty. Just like Somthor's head". Or if we are discussing sports it could be "Man, Somthor's as dumb as a bag of bowling balls". Or religion. "How does God allow someone as stupid as Somthor to exist?".
Is it finally starting to sink in what you're doing and how much people don't like it? Do you get a hard-on at the thought of being so universally reviled? Is it really so much effort for you to THINK about what you're going to say before you say it? And if you're going to tell me you do think, then you need to think again. And again if necessary.
Do it. For the children.
Plastering public places with cameras randomly however has produced no drop in crime rates in the UK that could clearly be put beyond statistical variance. The only thing that was curbed were minor things like people urinating on street corners in the night, dropping litter or not picking up their dog's crap, in turn it led to a bunch of profiling incidents with 'suspicious' (i.e. ethnic, young or homeless) people that happened to be near the site of a crime being hawked and then dropped because they turned out to be innocent.
If a police department notices lots of crimes in a specific area they can stake the place out with camera's.
What we dont want them to do is to have camera's everywhere wasting money and manpower watching them.
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Callalron had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Can't you go one thread without throwing in an uncalled for Bush bash? Seriously, do you have some kind of unhealthy fixation with the guy that we need to tell the Secret Service about? You started out with a potentially interesting subject that might have generated some interesting discusion.Then you just totally crapped your pants and pissed down your leg with that last paragraph. Totally unrelated and not connected to the subject under discussion, but yet you just HAD to throw that in there.
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in that case rather than call attention to it you should have ignored that last part and responded to the first.
However that was there as a statment of personal Belief. its relevent becuse here I beleive is a simular opportunity to sell the american people a change which hopefuly will be for the greater good.
when 9/11 happened if Bush had said we need to stop being dependant on forien oil to gain our security the american people would have said yes yes anything for great security. people would have tightend their belts and paid extra for domestic fuel to stop funding terrorists with our oil habit.
we may have said yes we will pay more for fuel efficent cars and force detroit to stop selling SUV's that get 12 miles to the gallon when off the shelf tech can produce ones that get 24. and the world would have gone along with us becuse the entire world felt that 9/11 was a horrible thing.
instead of makeing real changes that would have a long term benifit bush rattled his sabers and went to war. when he could have easily done both.
in further response to your false claims I have only posted 3 threads that even mentioned anti bush (unless I have forgoten one somewhere) with the number of posts i have made that hardly qualifies as habitual.
anyone who wanted to have a meaningful debate over the topic presented here could have done so, and alot easier if you hadnt buried it with your anti Somthor rantings.
You are short sighted and refuse to even for a moment believe that you are wrong.
If Bush would have used 9/11 to pull us away from our oil needs he would have completely tanked the US economy, which was already bad, and the Economies of a hell of a lot of other countries.
Of course you will refuse to believe this because it flies in the face of your own self delusions.
Americans like SUVs, we like our bigger cars. We can afford them and it is not the place of the Goverment to tell us we can't have them because the Oil comes from overseas.
Bush went after the terrorist, which is exactly what he should have done. You, and 90% of the american people don't have the knowlege to make these choices. Hell I am involved with this shit and I only know a small portion of what all goes on.
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Azizza obviously shouldn't have said:
[QB]God just shut the hell up. I you would fit right in with those fools fighting for the Democratic nomination this year. You talk a lot and never say a thing.You are short sighted and refuse to even for a moment believe that you are wrong.
ever hear of natural gas? the US has some of the worlds largest deposits. its not all that hard to convert cars over to use this cheaper and more eco freindly fuel source.
Bush didnt have to do this over night he could have simply phased it in.
lets say for sake of your tender ego, that Bush decided mmm the american public likes to drive large SUV's that get lousy MPG becuse they dont care about the enviroment nor what is done with all those oil dollars. I better not take thier toys from them what can I do? well I can just pass a resolution that all comerical vehcicles must start to convert to LP by a reasonable date to give them time to do so without economic strain.
Boy if I did that america's oil habit would sharply reduce.
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ACES! Another post by Somthor:when 9/11 happened if Bush had said we need to stop being dependant on forien oil
roofles!
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Somthor said:
in that case rather than call attention to it you should have ignored that last part and responded to the first.
So basically, what you're saying is, "I'm a complete and total moron. Don't bring it to anyone's attention."? Sorry, when someone is that egriously and repeatedly stupid, I've got to call them on it. If not me, then someone else will. Besides, I'm not one to suffer fools gladly.
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However that was there as a statment of personal Belief. its relevent becuse here I beleive is a simular opportunity to sell the american people a change which hopefuly will be for the greater good.
It's a personal belief of about 99% of the people who post here that you're a massive dickhead. Does that give us license to say so in every unrelated post we write in? Yes...UNRELATED. Any connection between the initial subject of this post and 9/11 is an illusion and exists only in what passes for your mind.
Edit: Oh the delicious, delicious irony of the RQG. [ 02-07-2004: Message edited by: Callalron ]
We don't need cameras in public places. We need parents to do their job.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Somthor had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Just like Bush squandered the chance he had with 9-11 to pass sweeping laws to reduce americas dependance on forigein oil and other mesures to better provide security for us this to shall pass.
Actually he tries to, and the liberals, environmentalists, and a collection of alarmists (aka. nearly everyone politically vocal on these boards) chews him out for it.
Aside from that though, I agree with somethor. It's a public place, there is no reason not to have it monitored 24/7. It's not a matter of privacy - IT'S A PUBLIC PLACE, public being defined as the opposite of private. [ 02-07-2004: Message edited by: Maradon! ]
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Lyinar Ka`Bael stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Okay...couldn't the whole thing have been avoided in the first place if she hadn't gone along with him? Sorry, but by the time I was 11, and younger, I knew one very important thing: DO NOT go with strangers, no matter what their story is, no matter how friendly they are.We don't need cameras in public places. We need parents to do their job.
You are mistaken she didnt go willingly with the stranger at all the video clearly shows the man grabing her by her wrist and forceing her to follow him. Without that video people such as your self would have assumed the blame laid in the girls actions.
what was she doing behind the carwash? simple there was a opening behind there that led almost directly to the street she lived on.
I will agree with you many tradgedies could be advoided and many problems as well If mom and dad did better jobs. [ 02-07-2004: Message edited by: Somthor ]
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This one time, at Somthor camp:
You are mistaken she didnt go willingly with the stranger at all the video clearly shows the man grabing her by her wrist and forceing her to follow him. Without that video people such as your self would have assumed the blame laid in the girls actions.what was she doing behind the carwash? simple there was a opening behind there that led almost directly to the street she lived on.
I will agree with you many tradgedies could be advoided and many problems as well If mom and dad did better jobs.
Actually YOU are mistaken, since this took place here, and has been covered non-stop the video has played non-stop. She was not dragged, she did not forcefully object, she did not resist. He took her hand, and she followed. The video even shows her matching steps with the man.
She was clearly not frightened or hesitant, he came up and said a couple words to her and they both walked off. There was enough daylight, and she was on the sidewalk outside the PARKING LOT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT, that one yell or one single cry for help, didn't even have to be a loud one, would not go unnoticed.
The story also goes on to show that she lied to the parents of the friend who's house she was staying at in saying that her parents said she could walk home alone, when they said no such thing. In fact her father got into a car as soon as he got the message on the answering machine to go out and find her to pick her up. As well as she deviated from the route home to cut across an amusement center ending up on the road where she was abducted anyway.
My assumtion is, she knew the man, it was a rendevous, and she knew she'd get in trouble for doing it. Leading me to believe it's a case of, not listening to your parents has consequences, in this case a tradgic one.
Don't ruin my perfectly good idiocy with your damn logic.
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So quoth King Parcelan:
Give me the easy-going, noodle-eating Japanese anytime.
Don't forget sake-pounding!
Ichi! Ni! San! KAMPAI!
Who's with me?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about John Romero:
I vote that every Somthor post automatically get a Flame tag, regardless what he chooses.Who's with me?
As much as I may disagree with you most of the time, I'm with ya on this one.
