Do you know the answers?
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Black had this to say about (_|_):
Other species aren't intellgent enough to have souls.eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeheheheheeeeee
<BlackMage> liam
<BlackMage> do hermit crabs have souls?
<Liam> http://www.sad6.k12.me.us/jm/tide_pool/spenser_hermitcrab.gif according to this picture, yes
Your first question is easy.
Because catholics and whatever religious group uses whatever astrological your talking about, are two different groups.
I dont remember if animals get into heaven, but Id assume that animals wonder the same thing about us when we dont roll in our own feces to please jasdlk
But I'm sure that wasn't the answer you were looking for. 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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If life begins at conception (as some people posit), why are our astrological signs determined by our day and time of birth? I know astrology is a pseudo-science, but ignoring this fact, how do we justify not using a child's day/time of conception for his astrological chart?
I do believe that life begins at or very soon after conception. Astrology has been disproven time and time again. It is the "sicence" of vaugue references and indirect answers.
However many claim that it is the time we are brought into this world that determine astrological signs, etc. While the average pregnancy is 9 months it varies every time. So many claim that fate determins our date of birth.
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If certain behaviors (such as, prayer and worship) are required for entering heaven, or whatever a particular religion claims, why don't we find the same type of behavior in animals and other species?
The common christian mindset is that only Humans have a soul, and only humans can get into heaven. Animals were put here for us and no other reason. THey can't get into heaven and therefore have no reason to worship a higher being.
I don't know if animals have a soul or not. However I feel that prayer and worship is not the way to get to heaven or the equivilent. It is the way we live our lives that determin that.
He will make us use arrow keys to play FPS games
quote:Listen not to the forked tongue of Liam the Lier, for it leads you on a periously journey that would cost you your soul, and then some!
I alone love Matilda Jane. I alone tempt Matilda Jane:
<BlackMage> liam
<BlackMage> do hermit crabs have souls?
<Liam> http://www.sad6.k12.me.us/jm/tide_pool/spenser_hermitcrab.gif according to this picture, yes
quote:Well, that's assuming that such things can be true... A whole new ballgame!
Why, Mr. Vernaltemptressson? Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something? For more that your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Vernaltemptressson. Vagaries of perception. The temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as Evercrest itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Vernaltemptressson. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Vernaltemptressson? Why? Why do you persist?
Then how do you explain reincarnation, especially for those religions where you can be reincarnated as any other sentient species?
So if your a bad spider, you go to something worse, but if your good and dont bite the peoples then you get higher up till your human again.
Doesnt involve praying.
2, Many religions assume man to be somehow special and different from all the other animals, for example Christianity believing that man was created in god's image, thus the parameters for them would be different, no idea about reincarnation-based religions though.
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Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Optimus Prime:
As far as I can recall, indian reincarnation involved karmal.So if your a bad spider, you go to something worse, but if your good and dont bite the peoples then you get higher up till your human again.
Doesnt involve praying.
*cough*Karma*cough*
Yeah..Samsara and all that. I believe in reincarnation.. but it's sortof my own belief and doesn't really fall under any religion...
OMg I should start a cult! 
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Ares said:
*cough*Karma*cough*Yeah..Samsara and all that. I believe in reincarnation.. but it's sortof my own belief and doesn't really fall under any religion...
OMg I should start a cult!
Do it right and you'll make a killing. 
WEll.
Im a man who likes me taffy, more than karma anyway.
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Shazorx / Modrakien Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Do it right and you'll make a killing.
Got any Kool-Aid packets you're not using?
Heaven does not exist. There is no 'afterlife'. When you die, you die. That's it. No more you. Try to imagine it. Try to imagine that when you die, you cease to be. Try to imagine not imagining anything anymore. Try to imagine your thoughts ceasing to be.
Sux, doesn't it?
Now, try to imagine the alternative : science cures death. Eternal life on earth. You'll live forever. Your loved ones who're alive shall live forever. Your loved ones that die, shall be gone forever. You'll never see them again. You'll eventually forget them, because you'll have never seen nor heard from them in hundreds and hundreds of years. Personally, I think that would seriously suck.
Religion was created by humans. The thought of death and non-existence scares the shit out of lots of people (Myself included) so they made up a heaven and an afterlife and gave people a reason to want to live 'good' lives. It's a way to calm their fears that they'll eventually simply cease to be.
But given the choice between non-existence and eternal life... you cease to be, or you forget your loved ones and whatnot... I dunno which I would pick. I can see downsides to eternal life on earth.
Therefor, we're all fucked. No matter what, life is a pointless waste of time.
At least, that's the conclusion I keep coming to whenever I consider religious stuff and death.
Religion is a catch all, it says that you should be and conform and be nice and stuff and you will get rewarded.
Id rather get what I can fast and then fuck everyone else.
Heat death.
You better pray to your God that He decides to stop that, because nothing else is going to save the universe from it. Entropy's a bitch.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Im going to hell:-p
If I believed in hell that is.
There is the idea that on death you dont actually die, but you expierence what your mind has hardwired itself to believe as after death is its whole life.
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Karnaj stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
We're all fucked, anyway, immortality or not, for one simple reason--two little words:Heat death.
You better pray to your God that He decides to stop that, because nothing else is going to save the universe from it. Entropy's a bitch.
An interesting theory, but for anyone to take what we know on earth and apply it as rule to the entire universe really is reaching. Given the amount of things we do not understand about the universe it's kind of silly to say that what applies here will apply for everything, everywhere.
It hasnt been proved whether or not the universe is even expanding. The only thing they have been able to prove is that galaxies drift.
There's also cold death theories as well, basically, if there's a way for us to all die horribly, there's a theory for it
Scientists need to work on more productive stuff...
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Reynar had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
An interesting theory, but for anyone to take what we know on earth and apply it as rule to the entire universe really is reaching. Given the amount of things we do not understand about the universe it's kind of silly to say that what applies here will apply for everything, everywhere.It hasnt been proved whether or not the universe is even expanding. The only thing they have been able to prove is that galaxies drift.
There's also cold death theories as well, basically, if there's a way for us to all die horribly, there's a theory for it
Scientists need to work on more productive stuff...
Please tell me this post was a joke.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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A sleep deprived Bloodsage stammered:
Please tell me this post was a joke.
It was a joke.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Bloodsage was all like:
Please tell me this post was a joke.
I'd be willing to entertain the possibility that maybe things don't work quite the same way we think they do. Wasn't there a post about how some scientists have found a situation that broke the 2nd law of physics, or whatever? Sometimes things surprise us.
Anyways, I wanna live forever, if for no other reason than to wait until we map out the brain and can upload our conciousness into MMORPG's where we can fly and use magic and shit.
If there is no heaven, I want to make my own damn heaven in a computer 
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Reynar wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
It was a joke.
Thank you.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Khyron had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Also as a note, I would like to say the following :Heaven does not exist. There is no 'afterlife'. When you die, you die. That's it. No more you. Try to imagine it. Try to imagine that when you die, you cease to be.
Have any proof of this? There is nothing to prove this one way or another, simply belief about the soul of a person (or lack thereof, dependent on your belief system). If you are making solid claims as to the lack of an afterlife, you need something to back it up.
As for what I believe? I've got such a huge mish mosh of a belief system thats changed and morphed and changed again, though recently, and for a decent amount of time, it has been heavily Christian. I've always believed in some sort of higher being, if you will -- no, I can't prove it. No, I won't try t. Its a matter of what you choose to believe. You choose to BELIEVE there is no higher power, good for you. I choose to believe there is. Either way, one of us will be wrong. But, if your opinion holds true and there is no afterlife, at least I live my life looking forward to something after death, as opposed to your living life with nothing to look forward to. I'll stick with my belief system, thanks. I'm gonna keep believing that there is a God up there.
And Vernal, to answer your questions:
1) I'm not 100% sure, to be honest. That would make sense.
2) I'm gonna answer your question with a question. How do we know they don't pray? If prayer to many is something done without words, we honestly have no way to know if animals do or don't pray. Or worship, for that manner. Within the Christian Faith alone there are something like 40 or 50 commonly known denominations. You have Catholics who are very rigid in their ways of worship, and then you have those that are far less restrictive in their ways (Normally these churches are simply called "Christian" churches. For all we know, animals may very well pray and worship.
And Alaan:
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I've always thought that a religion that won't let you into the proper afterlife/next cycle of the reincarnation just because you don't pray and all that jazz is pretty shady. I'd like to think I'm a pretty good person all the way around. I am far from religious though. So on the chance there is God/Heaven or whatever I'm fucked despite the fact I haven't lived my life badly. Something seems wrong here.
The core behind the Christian belief system is that Jesus died for everyone's sins -- being a good person or not, as a believer of the Christian faith, you would have to accept Jesus into your life to find your way to heaven. If you believe in the Christian faith, that is. So, yes, you wouldn't go to heaven after death if you don't do the things that outline the path to heaven. Again, its a matter of beliefs. Your choice to believe whatever you want -- we'll all find out who is right in the end [ 02-03-2004: Message edited by: Falaanla Marr ]
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We were all impressed when Khyron wrote:
I'd be willing to entertain the possibility that maybe things don't work quite the same way we think they do. Wasn't there a post about how some scientists have found a situation that broke the 2nd law of physics, or whatever? Sometimes things surprise us.Anyways, I wanna live forever, if for no other reason than to wait until we map out the brain and can upload our conciousness into MMORPG's where we can fly and use magic and shit.
If there is no heaven, I want to make my own damn heaven in a computer
Until it's verified and repeated, the seeming violation of the 2nd law is merely a curiosity.
It's quite probable that the universe doesn't work quite the way we think it does, but that's no reason to toss out everything we know in favor of random speculation or religion, either. That's the neat thing about science: we simply keep refining what we know, getting ever closer to the truth and solving new mysteries.
It's about the process.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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How.... Vernaltemptress.... uughhhhhh:
[list]If life begins at conception (as some people posit), why are our astrological signs determined by our day and time of birth? I know astrology is a pseudo-science, but ignoring this fact, how do we justify not using a child's day/time of conception for his astrological chart?
The answer is simple: Astrology is not a pseudo-science. It isn't a science. It isn't anything but 100% pure unadulterated superstition. [ 02-03-2004: Message edited by: Maradon! ]
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This insanity brought to you by Falaanla Marr:
Have any proof of this? There is nothing to prove this one way or another, simply belief about the soul of a person (or lack thereof, dependent on your belief system). If you are making solid claims as to the lack of an afterlife, you need something to back it up.
In the absence of proof something exists, it's quite reasonable to assert that it doesn't.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Duck Tales:
In the absence of proof something exists, it's quite reasonable to assert that it doesn't.
True. But there were many things that, 1000 years ago, could not be proven. Now we CAN prove them. Was it safe to say they didn't exist before?
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Elvish Crack Piper impressed everyone with:
As far as I can recall, indian reincarnation involved karmal.
I read nothing past this... cause I was laughing to much.... 
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ACES! Another post by Bloodsage:
Until it's verified and repeated, the seeming violation of the 2nd law is merely a curiosity.It's quite probable that the universe doesn't work quite the way we think it does, but that's no reason to toss out everything we know in favor of random speculation or religion, either. That's the neat thing about science: we simply keep refining what we know, getting ever closer to the truth and solving new mysteries.
It's about the process.
Which is what will make the next 50 years of science to be extremely interesting. Our knowledge of science and universe have been increasing in huge amounts as the years pass by.
Figure we went thousands of years with swords and shields, a couple hundred with guns, then shot up from being able to fly to exploring vast regions of space within ~80years.
It'll be neat to see whether or not our rate of acquiring knowledge keeps increasing or if it caps off again soon.
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Vernaltemptress had this to say about Tron:
- If life begins at conception (as some people posit), why are our astrological signs determined by our day and time of birth? I know astrology is a pseudo-science, but ignoring this fact, how do we justify not using a child's day/time of conception for his astrological chart?
- If certain behaviors (such as, prayer and worship) are required for entering heaven, or whatever a particular religion claims, why don't we find the same type of behavior in animals and other species?
Do you know the answers?
Vern seems to be trying to mash together incongruent beliefs and find discrepancies. While that's neat to see, it doesn't really say much.
People who believe in Astrology may not nesscessarily believe that life begins when you are concieved, and vice versa.
People who believe prayer will save you may not believe animals have souls, and vice versa.
People who believe in reincarnation may not believe in prayer, and vice versa.
The only time a real contradiction happens is if you assume all of the above unfounded beliefs are true. I don't think anyone believes in all that
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...Again, its a matter of beliefs. Your choice to believe whatever you want -- we'll all find out who is right in the end[/QB]
I already know I'm right, cause I believe in it and my Goddess tells me I'm right. OMGWTFBBQ!!!111!@311!! 1 mUz7 bE! A fANatiic!!##@!!3121!! JIHAD!
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Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I hope that scientistist will discover that plants scream at ultra-high frequencies so the vegetarian community can shut the fuck up.Your first question is easy.
Because catholics and whatever religious group uses whatever astrological your talking about, are two different groups.
I dont remember if animals get into heaven, but Id assume that animals wonder the same thing about us when we dont roll in our own feces to please jasdlk
They accually did find something rather simular. That plants have a way of communicating. Will have to find that article.
The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore must the soul
Deceive, despise and murder men.
-A.J. Durai
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We were all impressed when Azizza wrote:
Oh boy. This will be a can of worms. But against my better judgement I am posting :LOLThe common christian mindset is that only Humans have a soul, and only humans can get into heaven. Animals were put here for us and no other reason. THey can't get into heaven and therefore have no reason to worship a higher being.
I don't know if animals have a soul or not. However I feel that prayer and worship is not the way to get to heaven or the equivilent. It is the way we live our lives that determin that.
SO what about patron saints?
Why are the saints that are supposed to protect you all your life chosen the day you are born, not the day you are concieved? You just lived 9 months without a saint.
- Genesis 2:7
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Vernaltemptress thought about the meaning of life:
Then how do you explain reincarnation, especially for those religions where you can be reincarnated as any other sentient species?
Which religions are the ideas of heaven and reincarnation both present?
[ 02-03-2004: Message edited by: Vorbis ]
And, towards your first point, according to Hindu dogma life does not begin until sometime in the second trimester (I remember life begins in utero but I don't remember what exact time it was).
