Former Vice President Al Gore endorsed Howard Dean for the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, adding momentum and political prestige to Dean's front-running campaign.
Gore said Dean "really is the only candidate who has been able to inspire at the grassroots level all over the country." He said the former Vermont governor also was the only Democratic candidate who made the correct judgment about the Iraq (news - web sites) war.
"Our country has been weakened in its ability to fight the war against terror because of the catastrophic mistake the Bush administration made in taking us to war in Iraq," Gore said.
Dean said he it was an honor and a privilege to receive Gore's endorsement.
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Somthor had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
You think if Dean asked Gore to be his running mate he would accept or the stink of a loser would preclude him asking? Anyone know anything about Dean is he a decent Canadate? I know so little about him but ATM I'd likly vote for him.Former Vice President Al Gore endorsed Howard Dean for the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, adding momentum and political prestige to Dean's front-running campaign.
Gore said Dean "really is the only candidate who has been able to inspire at the grassroots level all over the country." He said the former Vermont governor also was the only Democratic candidate who made the correct judgment about the Iraq (news - web sites) war.
"Our country has been weakened in its ability to fight the war against terror because of the catastrophic mistake the Bush administration made in taking us to war in Iraq," Gore said.
Dean said he it was an honor and a privilege to receive Gore's endorsement.
Dean is by far the most left-wing of the "sensible" (not Jesse Jackson) candidates running. As such, he won't be able to catch the attention of the swing-votes necessary to remove Bush from power. He'd make a good VP, since he does have very devoted followers to his causes amongst the core Democratic voters, but I fear for the ability of the opposition party to remove Bush from office if he's going to be running as the central candidate.
And Gore needs to keep his mouth shut as much as possible. The entire Clinton group of the Democratic party needs to stay FAR away from this election, unless they're just going to hand it to Bush. Libertarian-minded moderates could come to the Democrats' aid this time, and swing the vote, so long as they aren't reminded of the reason they didn't vote for Gore in 2000. [ 12-09-2003: Message edited by: Drakkenmaw ]
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Somthor had this to say about Pirotess:
I know so little about him but ATM I'd likly vote for him.
And that sums up your entire posting history, doesn't it?
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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A sleep deprived Somthor stammered:
I know so little about him but ATM I'd likly vote for him.
This is why Democracy doesn't work.
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Snoota stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
This is why Democracy doesn't work.
For mother Russia! *Hands Snoota a miniature Soviet flag and a Vodka.*
THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF EVERCREST SHALL REIGN AGAIN! [ 12-09-2003: Message edited by: Snoota ]
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Gydyon was listening to Cher while typing:
And that sums up your entire posting history, doesn't it?
What honesty? I say "hey I dont know much about the guy" and ask if anyone does, and you give a response like that? I hate bush, dont like what he has done in office. A vote for another canidate is a show of no confidence. I say I'd vote for Dean right now because while I havnt heard much about him I havnt heard anything negative either. He is also pro NRA which I like. [ 12-09-2003: Message edited by: Somthor ]
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Somthor probably says this to all the girls:
What honesty? I say "hey I dont know much about the guy" and ask if anyone does, and you give a response like that? I hate bush, dont like what he has done in office. A vote for another canidate is a show of no confidence. I say I'd vote for Dean right now because while I havnt heard much about him I havnt heard anything negative either. He is also pro NRA which I like.
That's not what you said, though. I think the opinion you just described is incorrect because I think a voter should be informed and votes of "no confidence" are essentially votes of ignorance in the American system that does not provide for such, but it at least gets toward informed or is at least less offensive than "I know nothing about him but I am voting for him."
Maybe the difficulty you are having in communicating with us is that you think you're typing things that don't make it into your posts. We're not mind-readers, except for Snoota. And he only uses his power for evil.
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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Gydyon wrote this stupid crap:
That's not what you said, though. I think the opinion you just described is incorrect because I think a voter should be informed and votes of "no confidence" are essentially votes of ignorance in the American system that does not provide for such, but it at least gets toward informed or is at least less offensive than "I know nothing about him but I am voting for him."Maybe the difficulty you are having in communicating with us is that you think you're typing things that don't make it into your posts. We're not mind-readers, except for Snoota. And he only uses his power for evil.
You are likely correct.
Voters should be informed, unfortunately many are not and even more never bother to exercise their right to vote or worse fail to register at all(until automatic registration with your drivers license.
I am happy to say since I have been 18 I have participated in every election I have been available for (absentee if need be). Not all have been informed votes but I was out there voting for whom I believed was the better candidate, occasionally abstaining if I knew nothing at all about the candidate.
It is too bad there is no place in our politics for "None Of the Above" but then again maybe its good that there isn't. having an entire election stymied by votes of no confidence is bad.
When I am on the ticket I want to win or loose on the issues. Not because some people decided to play connect the dot with thier ballot.
I know that when I was working as a Poll inspector in november that I heard at least two dozen people say they didn't even know who half the people they voted for where. They had only seen the names on a yard sign or even for the first time on the ballot.
If you are going to vote that is great. But vote on the issues. Not a party line and not just because you don't like the other guy. Vote for who would do the best job in office. And your comment that "I know so little about him but ATM I'd likly vote for him." Shows how little you actually care for the system. You want someone that you know nothing about to run this country. For all you know he could want to kill every 5th child that is born in this country. Read, study, learn. Then make a desicion. Don't even think about who you are going to vote for untill you know a hell of a lot more about him. So far all he has done is spout off some rhetoric against the war in Iraq. Hardly a reason to vote for him.
Last election I voted for Nader who is the green party btw. Previously I Voted for Perot who I certainly did know about.
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A sleep deprived Drakkenmaw stammered:
Dean is by far the most left-wing of the "sensible" (not Jesse Jackson) candidates running. As such, he won't be able to catch the attention of the swing-votes necessary to remove Bush from power. He'd make a good VP, since he does have very devoted followers to his causes amongst the core Democratic voters, but I fear for the ability of the opposition party to remove Bush from office if he's going to be running as the central candidate.And Gore needs to keep his mouth shut as much as possible. The entire Clinton group of the Democratic party needs to stay FAR away from this election, unless they're just going to hand it to Bush. Libertarian-minded moderates could come to the Democrats' aid this time, and swing the vote, so long as they aren't reminded of the reason they didn't vote for Gore in 2000.
Dean is the most electable of all of the Democrats running. He may be the most liberal of the serious candidates (I'm not really sure) but he is hardly liberal by any means. He is, in fact, quite moderate, moreso than Clinton was.
And I don't think the "Clinton group" should necessarily step back. The Clintons have become the unofficial heads of the Democratic party. Some say Gore would have done better if he had gotten Clinton to help in his campaign, rather than distancing himself from him.
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Verily, Azizza doth proclaim:
A person who doesn't bother to learn about the person they are voting for is far worse than a person who doesn't vote.
Unfortunatly, the more I know about any paticular candidate the less open I am to the idea of voting for them. I'm probably not the only one who feels this way, and I'm pretty sure it's the reason Bush won the election. We all know who Gore is, but Bush was a relative unknown compared to him. Thus people voted for the guy they wern't entirely sure they didn't like. 
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Zair's fortune cookie read:
Dean is the most electable of all of the Democrats running. He may be the most liberal of the serious candidates (I'm not really sure) but he is hardly liberal by any means. He is, in fact, quite moderate, moreso than Clinton was.And I don't think the "Clinton group" should necessarily step back. The Clintons have become the unofficial heads of the Democratic party. Some say Gore would have done better if he had gotten Clinton to help in his campaign, rather than distancing himself from him.
If Dean is the most electable Democrat running, I have little hope for a Democratic win next election. His positions manage to alienate him significantly from the moderate swing-votes which will be necessary to remove Bush from office. If you want to know why, take a look at his website - while he has a few good ideas, his position is classically Democratic. A moderate position is not the one he espouses.
As for the "Clinton Collective," their position as de facto heads of the party is so damaging to its image as a whole that they'd do well to bow out of public eye for the next year entirely. You'd be shocked at how many people voted for Bush in the last election simply because they view Hillary Clinton as the antichrist, and Bill Clinton as an imbecilic perv. For every person you have who will vote against whoever is running against Bush ("anyone's better than him!"), you'll find someone else who will vote against anyone who is associated with the Clintons ("anyone's better than THEM!").
I predict that this upcoming election, if things go the way they appear, will be a matter of the middle-ground splitting as to which side they can't stand more. Voting AGAINST someone, rather than for them. And, since the moderates have in recent years backswung into a more-conservative mindset from their previous lightly-liberal one... it could very well go to Bush. [ 12-09-2003: Message edited by: Drakkenmaw ]
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Drakkenmaw's fortune cookie read:You'd be shocked at how many people voted for Bush in the last election simply because they view Hillary Clinton as the antichrist, and Bill Clinton as an imbecilic perv.
Actually I would be shocked, so please tell me how you came across this information....
ANd while I'm sure there are A FEW people who may have voted Bush because of their disgust for the Clintons, they are likely deep rooted right wingers who wouldn't have voted Democratic anyhow. Hillary Clinton honestly isn't as hated as right wing extreemists in the media would like you to believe. She DID get elected as Senator, and look at the book sales on her autobiography.
edit: let me rephrase that: She isn't nearly as hated by moderates and average people. Republicans despise her for the most part. [ 12-09-2003: Message edited by: Zair ]
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ACES! Another post by Naimah:
She's a blood sucking vampire. It isn't that I hate her, I just don't like vampires that is all.
THe sucking incidents related to either Clinton has no bearing on their political career.
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Zair painfully thought these words up:
Actually I would be shocked, so please tell me how you came across this information....
ANd while I'm sure there are A FEW people who may have voted Bush because of their disgust for the Clintons, they are likely deep rooted right wingers who wouldn't have voted Democratic anyhow. Hillary Clinton honestly isn't as hated as right wing extreemists in the media would like you to believe. She DID get elected as Senator, and look at the book sales on her autobiography.edit: let me rephrase that: She isn't nearly as hated by moderates and average people. Republicans despise her for the most part.
Well, there's this study by ABC News...
This article about how she's alienating the very "soccer mom" constituencies that got her elected (requires subscription)...
Feel free to dig through online materials yourself, too. It's difficult trying to find things that aren't 5 years old in reference to her, but I'm sure there's more than just this out here.
That said, you may want to look at some of the articles I did find about the Clintons' support for Dean - and how it is nonexistent. Apparently Gore is supporting Dean against the Clintons' support of Wesley Clark, in order to "break ranks" with the people he felt were responsible for his loss in the 2000 election. Very interesting read.
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Naimah had this to say about Pirotess:
Good, keep voting for third partys I don't want votes from morons like you mattering.
No need to be insulting
All votes matter every single one. and if you dont belive me the national language is English instead of German becuse of one vote. Andrew Johnson's Impeachment was dismissed by one vote. Hitler was elected to power by one vote. [ 12-09-2003: Message edited by: Somthor ]
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Somthor probably says this to all the girls:
No need to be insulting
No need to use punctuation.
Not some one I want to have political influence again, more than she has/had. And Al Gore is a moron.
"Tipper Gore started war against the record industry." And that doesn't pretain to the RIAA and its pirating/buisness practices. 
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"Our country has been weakened in its ability to fight the war against terror because of the catastrophic mistake the Bush administration made in taking us to war in Iraq," Gore said.
Wut?... 
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Somthor had this to say about Cuba:
No need to be insultingAll votes matter every single one. and if you dont belive me the national language is English instead of German becuse of one vote. Andrew Johnson's Impeachment was dismissed by one vote. Hitler was elected to power by one vote.
I hate the spread of misinformation. Go Go Snopes!
People have propositioned that Bush is the antichrist. Some have said that Gore is. Therefore we have them run together, cancel each other out, and vote for Dave Barry.
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From the book of Majox, chapter 3, verse 16:
I hate the spread of misinformation. Go Go Snopes!People have propositioned that Bush is the antichrist. Some have said that Gore is. Therefore we have them run together, cancel each other out, and vote for Dave Barry.
I guess one out of three isnt bad. Victim of popular myth, sorry.
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How.... Somthor.... uughhhhhh:
I guess one out of three isnt bad. Victim of popular myth, sorry.
Wouldn't the last presidential election be a better example of a small amount of votes making a large difference?
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Verily, Drakkenmaw doth proclaim:
Well, there's this study by ABC News...
This article about how she's alienating the very "soccer mom" constituencies that got her elected (requires subscription)...Feel free to dig through online materials yourself, too. It's difficult trying to find things that aren't 5 years old in reference to her, but I'm sure there's more than just this out here.
That said, you may want to look at some of the articles I did find about the Clintons' support for Dean - and how it is nonexistent. Apparently Gore is supporting Dean against the Clintons' support of Wesley Clark, in order to "break ranks" with the people he felt were responsible for his loss in the 2000 election. Very interesting read.
Err, I was more looking for some evidence that somehow the Clintons' reputations cost Gore votes, as you implied, not that Hillary is unelectable, which seems pretty true. But, yeah, you're right, there is some severe dislike of Hillary, I just for the life of me don't know why. I don't know anyone who dislikes Laura Bush (that whore 
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Hmmm, if Gore is really supporting Dean because the CLintons are supporting Clark, that is pathetic. Where is this article you speak of, in another thread? By the way, the Clintons aren't officially endorsing anyone, and if they do I hope they don't choose Clark. The guy is largely unimpressive, and the sketchy business in his "forced retirement" don't help much.
